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Old 12-04-2012, 01:43 PM   #1
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Once Upon a Time - S2E09 - "Queen of Hearts" - OAD 12/02/2012

Whaaaaaat???? Cora is the Queen of Hearts???? Who saw THAT coming!?!?!

Glad they tied up a few loose ends:

How Cora got out of Wonderland.
How the corner of FTL was untouched by the curse.
How Hook took Aurora's heart.
How people can readily tied up their defenseless friends and leave them behind to die.
How dwarves stand too close when other people are kissing.

A co-worker wondered "How did Gold know that the returnees would emerge at the well?" Beats me!

And where did Hook's ship come from? He had a beanstalk seed portal activator... how did all of that work?
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:38 PM   #2
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A co-worker wondered "How did Gold know that the returnees would emerge at the well?" Beats me!
Gold explained that. Wishing wells are where what was once lost is found.
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:06 PM   #3
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And where did Hook's ship come from? He had a beanstalk seed portal activator... how did all of that work?
I'm less interested in where the ship came from. What I thought is: Since when is Storybrooke next to a lake or an ocean? I realize that being in Maine, it's very possible that it's near the Atlantic coast, but is this the first time in the series that we've seen the proximity of the town to a body of water?
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Gold explained that. Wishing wells are where what was once lost is found.
But that's a bunch of crap. Regina lost her Mom and Hook lost his hand, but they came up out in the ocean somewhere.

They never said that Storybrooke WASN'T near the water. The guy that Red supposedly killed... wasn't he found "down by the docks"?
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:38 PM   #5
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Gold explained that. Wishing wells are where what was once lost is found.
Well, it's also the well that Gold used to bring magic to StoryBrooke.

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I'm less interested in where the ship came from. What I thought is: Since when is Storybrooke next to a lake or an ocean? I realize that being in Maine, it's very possible that it's near the Atlantic coast, but is this the first time in the series that we've seen the proximity of the town to a body of water?
We've seen the ocean and some docks in a couple of previous episodes.

Of course, this is a show where they could create docks by magic.
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But that's a bunch of crap. Regina lost her Mom and Hook lost his hand, but they came up out in the ocean somewhere.
Beanstalks are different transport mechanisms than magic compasses, so they might have different rules. Also, Cora may have used magic to determine where they showed up.
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True enough... they did explain how Hook got Aurora's heart, so maybe there's a good explanation.

So, where do we think Cora's heart is? Somewhere in the vault?
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:15 PM   #8
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But that's a bunch of crap. Regina lost her Mom and Hook lost his hand, but they came up out in the ocean somewhere.

They never said that Storybrooke WASN'T near the water. The guy that Red supposedly killed... wasn't he found "down by the docks"?
Henry's fort/castle in Season 1 was on the water. The one where he buried the box with the book in it for safe keeping.
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I'm less interested in where the ship came from. What I thought is: Since when is Storybrooke next to a lake or an ocean? I realize that being in Maine, it's very possible that it's near the Atlantic coast, but is this the first time in the series that we've seen the proximity of the town to a body of water?
You don't remember the storm, when Henry lost the book when the playground was no longer safe to use and it was taken down. It was on a beach with the ocean in the background the whole time.

I thought it odd that no one thought to include Regina. She DID save their lives, and they all acknowledged it. They are really setting both her and Gold up to be sympathetic characters, rather then the "bad guys" like last year.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:03 PM   #10
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Henry's fort/castle in Season 1 was on the water. The one where he buried the box with the book in it for safe keeping.
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You don't remember the storm, when Henry lost the book when the playground was no longer safe to use and it was taken down. It was on a beach with the ocean in the background the whole time.
Yes, now that you guys mention that, I do remember the playground being washed out by the water. I didn't get the sense that it was the ocean, though. Maybe a lake.
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I thought it odd that no one thought to include Regina. She DID save their lives, and they all acknowledged it. They are really setting both her and Gold up to be sympathetic characters, rather then the "bad guys" like last year.

I actually felt sorry for Regina when she was left all alone!

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And where did Hook's ship come from? He had a beanstalk seed portal activator... how did all of that work?
In a previous episode, might've been last season, Hook got to Never Never Land by throwing something (can't remember what) into the sea which created a portal whirlpool and he, his crew, and ship sailed into it. I'm guessing he used the waters of the rejuvenated lake/pond to reactivate the petrified seed and then he and Cora traveled to his ship and threw the bean into the sea.
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I actually felt sorry for Regina when she was left all alone!
Me too. What a bunch of jerks.
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I actually felt sorry for Regina when she was left all alone!
Regina didn't do what she did to be a good person. She did it to be the person Henry wants her to be. There is a difference in my mind.

Plus, she is responsible for a lot of pain to those people. It will take a whole lot more to earn their trust and respect.
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Plus, she is responsible for a lot of pain to those people. It will take a whole lot more to earn their trust and respect.
Plus she is a first-degree multi-murderer (or serial killer, whatever you want to call her) who should be serving life in prison. Some people seem to have short memories.
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Plus she is a first-degree multi-murderer (or serial killer, whatever you want to call her) who should be serving life in prison. Some people seem to have short memories.
Yeah, there is that. But I still think that they are now positioning her to be a sympathetic character, rather then the "bad guy" she was last year.
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The thing is- they had all been through a horrific ordeal together.
Typically, after something like this there is one night of celebration where old grievances are forgotten for a few hours while everyone decompresses and talks it out.
It would not have killed Henry to keep hold of Regina's hand and say "come on."
That's all it would have taken.
He seemed so convinced she has turned good that it felt odd that he would drop her hand and bolt with folks like that.

We all know she is evil and not to be trusted and that there is not going to be any nice, civil, blended family happily ever after.
But IMO the group bonhomie that was going on there seemed just a tad too abruptly aborted when Henry dropped her hand.
Feelings like that generally linger a bit longer after that magnitude of stress and tragedy.
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The thing is- they had all been through a horrific ordeal together.
Typically, after something like this there is one night of celebration where old grievances are forgotten for a few hours while everyone decompresses and talks it out.
It would not have killed Henry to keep hold of Regina's hand and say "come on."
That's all it would have taken.
He seemed so convinced she has turned good that it felt odd that he would drop her hand and bolt with folks like that.

We all know she is evil and not to be trusted and that there is not going to be any nice, civil, blended family happily ever after.
But IMO the group bonhomie that was going on there seemed just a tad too abruptly aborted when Henry dropped her hand.
Feelings like that generally linger a bit longer after that magnitude of stress and tragedy.
+1 everything you said.

(Bolding is mine.) I also felt really bad for Regina. Since they meant the scene to be an all-around good feeling of accomplishment, the viewer could've easily been given an "aw, that's so nice, Henry" moment.
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And where did Hook's ship come from? He had a beanstalk seed portal activator... how did all of that work?
Why did Cora need the compass if she and Hook could just sail there on his ship? What was the point of all that compass stuff?

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In a previous episode, might've been last season, Hook got to Never Never Land by throwing something (can't remember what) into the sea which created a portal whirlpool and he, his crew, and ship sailed into it. I'm guessing he used the waters of the rejuvenated lake/pond to reactivate the petrified seed and then he and Cora traveled to his ship and threw the bean into the sea.
I thought what he threw into the sea the first time was the magic bean Rumple tried to get from him.
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Why did Cora need the compass if she and Hook could just sail there on his ship? What was the point of all that compass stuff?
She was under the assumption that there were no magic beans left. The only way left was to use the magic in the compass to open a portal.

It wasn't until Hook climbed the beanstalk that he found out that the giant had one (dead) bean left, and it wasn't until Cora refilled the magic lake that he realized that the bean could be revived.

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She was under the assumption that there were no magic beans left. The only way left was to use the magic in the compass to open a portal.

It wasn't until Hook climbed the beanstalk that he found out that the giant had one (dead) bean left, and it wasn't until Cora refilled the magic lake that he realized that the bean could be revived.


You are correct.
OK, I guess I can buy that.
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Pure speculation:

I think, THINK, that they are going to make Gold's son into Henry's father. That would make Henry, Gold's grandson, and Snow's and Charming's grandson as well. It could be some very interesting Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners.

Just a guess!
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I think, THINK, that they are going to make Gold's son into Henry's father. That would make Henry, Gold's grandson, and Snow's and Charming's grandson as well. It could be some very interesting Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners.

Just a guess!
I agree. I think we posited that at the beginning of the season, but they haven't done anything to dispute that. Plus, it maximizes the "soap opera" factor, where the good guys are related to the bad guys, and characters have to weigh family/honor/love/ad nauseum against their own personal goals and desires. They don't even have to arrange a new marriage: it was done in the past! Do you think Gold knows about it?
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Leaving Regina out was lazy writing. Inviting her was the natural thing to do, this was just to manufacture sympathy.
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Leaving Regina out was lazy writing. Inviting her was the natural thing to do, this was just to manufacture sympathy.
I think it's more likely to generate future evil.
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Plus [Cora] should be serving life in prison.
I don't think it would be appropriate to punish people with real-world punishments for things that they did in FTL---where it probably wasn't even against the law. Charming, Snow, Red and others killed people in FTL as well---representatives of the government. Should they be imprisoned as well?
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I don't think it would be appropriate to punish people with real-world punishments for things that they did in FTL---where it probably wasn't even against the law.
I think destroying the world trumps cultural relativity...
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I don't think it would be appropriate to punish people with real-world punishments for things that they did in FTL---where it probably wasn't even against the law. Charming, Snow, Red and others killed people in FTL as well---representatives of the government. Should they be imprisoned as well?
I was talking about Regina. And she murdered in Storybrooke as well.

Also, I make a distinction between unprovoked murder and killing someone in a fight or self-defense.

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I was talking about Regina.
Oh, I know but you have to apply the same rules to everyone.

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And she murdered in Storybrook as well.
Really? Who? When?

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Perhaps, but our law doesn't. Regina's guards were the equivalent of police. You can't just kill police and say that it's OK because they were fighting you.
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Really? Who? When?
If we're talking about Regina, then yes, she killed the sheriff by destroying his stolen heart.
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