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Old 11-13-2012, 11:21 PM   #1
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Castle - Swan Song - OAD 11/12/12

This was the first episode of Castle that I actually disliked. The whole "they act stupid because a documentary is being filmed" gimmick was annoying, and it just didn't work.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:58 AM   #2
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Ugh, what a crap episode.
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:01 AM   #5
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It was just OK for me. The biggest issue I had with it was that they didn't actually film it documentary style. They still used tons of perfectly lit, perfectly framed camera angles, just like they always do. They should have given the camera crew 3 cameras and steadicam harnesses, and told them to film it as if it were live. Additionally, we should have seen the occasional boom mic guy, lighting operator, or camera guy accidentally get into the frame, like what would really happen if this were filmed live.

Since the gimmick of it being a documentary felt completely false to me, the rest of the episode felt rather flat (and frankly, kind of annoying).

Hopefully, this is the last gimmicky episode they do in a while. I enjoy an occasional gimmick episode on this show, but I'm ready to get back to a typical episode.
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:03 AM   #6
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I stopped watching about ten minutes in.

First time ever. Hopefully last.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:44 AM   #7
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This was the first episode of Castle that I actually disliked. The whole "they act stupid because a documentary is being filmed" gimmick was annoying, and it just didn't work.
Odd because it worked to perfection for me. As far as I'm concerned, they hit a home run with the comedy of this episode
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Yep, I loved Esposito showing off for the cameras.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:24 AM   #9
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There was some funny in here. My main problem was not enough Beckett and Castle. Plus no Castle home life which I always enjoy.

The Wham was good and there was another one that was funny but of course I forget now. I agree Esposito was fun, and Lanie vamping and showing off her cleavage made me laugh as well.

The mystery was kind of lame (I knew from the first minute the bass player was on the stage, even before we knew who was dead, that he was the guy) but most Castle mysteries are not brain teasers. I did like the stalker turning out to be the girl's dad; that was a nice change-up.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:51 AM   #10
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Since the gimmick of it being a documentary felt completely false to me, the rest of the episode felt rather flat (and frankly, kind of annoying).
I think you hit it right on the nail here.

If they had actually filmed it as you said, I might have bought into the hideous show-off-for-the-cameras schtick, but since the camerawork was the same as always, the acting just came off as being hideously off-the-top.

It's one thing when the show hits a writerly false note (like Castle signing his book jackets -- please, what writer does that?), because it's just a single moment, and the moment passes. It's easy to just wince at it and then go on with the episode.

But in this case, the false note is not just one moment, but pretty much the entire episode.
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I would have HATED it in "documentary style". Much rather they did it as they did.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:39 AM   #12
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Didn't they do a gimic show last year too that fell flat?? Didn't stand out for me, cuz I can't remember it, maybe like "the office"??
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They still used tons of perfectly lit, perfectly framed camera angles, just like they always do.
Yeah....I kept laughing at the fact that it was supposed to be from the cameraman's perspective and then they'd do a couple quick cuts in succession to show a couple different angles on Castle's face during a single line of dialogue.

In short....it was regular filming, but with the oh-so-enriching addition of shakey-cam. Shakey-cam makes me horribly motion sick and triggers Post-Cloverfield Stress Disorder.

....and there definitely wasn't enough Castle/Beckett time.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:34 PM   #14
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I would have HATED it in "documentary style". Much rather they did it as they did.
Well, then, that's a sign to me that it's a rotten idea, and they should have tossed the script into the trash can.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:38 PM   #15
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I enjoyed the episode. I thought the antics in front of the camera were quite in character, for the most part.
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:16 PM   #16
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Didn't they do a gimic show last year too that fell flat?? Didn't stand out for me, cuz I can't remember it, maybe like "the office"??
Maybe you are thinking of a different show. "Leverage" did an homage to "The Office" last season, and it was quite cringe-worthy.
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I would have HATED it in "documentary style". Much rather they did it as they did.
If they're going to pretend the episode is being filmed as a documentary, then actually do it as a documentary.

To say they're filming it as a documentary, but film it exactly the same way they always do is stupid.
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If they're going to pretend the episode is being filmed as a documentary, then actually do it as a documentary.

To say they're filming it as a documentary, but film it exactly the same way they always do is stupid.
But they were not showing a documentary, they were showing how the people acted when they were being filmed for a documentary. So there is no reason for that to be shown as a documentary.
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Maybe you are thinking of a different show. "Leverage" did an homage to "The Office" last season, and it was quite cringe-worthy.


Yes, thank you, and it was.
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But they were not showing a documentary, they were showing how the people acted when they were being filmed for a documentary. So there is no reason for that to be shown as a documentary.
This.

I didn't so much mind that the filming of a documentary was a part of the storyline (or that some of the episode was shown from the documentary cameras' POV). I just think the characters acted stupidly and unrealistically over-the-top. That's what made the episode annoying (to me).
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It was fun for ten minutes, after that I had to force myself to finish it.

As for character behavior: Castle hamming it up makes sense, as does Beckett being shy/annoyed. But I don't think the rest of the teams would have turned into mini-Castles quite so shamelessly...
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But they were not showing a documentary, they were showing how the people acted when they were being filmed for a documentary. So there is no reason for that to be shown as a documentary.
What we were ostensibly seeing was the documentary footage. That's the reason that all the characters kept looking in the cameras, talking to the camera operators, etc. It's also the reason we had more than the usual "shakey-cam" this week.

The problem was that it looked nothing like documentary footage because it wasn't filmed that way.
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What we were ostensibly seeing was the documentary footage.
I totally disagree with this assumption. A few shots, when they were mugging for the camera, yes, but not the episode.
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This was the first episode of Castle that I actually disliked. The whole "they act stupid because a documentary is being filmed" gimmick was annoying, and it just didn't work.
Wow, that's funny, because I had the exact opposite reaction, and forgot to post about it yesterday.

I thought this episode was fairly hilarious, ESPECIALLY the "overact [you said act stupid] because a documentary is being filmed".
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I totally disagree with this assumption. A few shots, when they were mugging for the camera, yes, but not the episode.
If true, which I totally disagree with, there was absolutely no way to distinguish the shots that were documentary shots from the ones that weren't.

Given that, and given that there was a clear reaction to or acknowledgement of the cameras throughout the episode (not just "a few shots") one has to assume that the whole episode was supposed to be the documentary footage.

Either way, if it was only "a few shots" that one could not distinguish from the rest of the episode, then it was pretty much a failure. If it was the whole episode that was supposed to be documentary footage, but it was filmed exactly the same way they always film, it was pretty much a failure.
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If true, which I totally disagree with, there was absolutely no way to distinguish the shots that were documentary shots from the ones that weren't.
I'm with Eddy, and totally disagree with the above. It was very easy to tell the difference between the regular camera work and the documentary shots.

The regular camera work looked like it always does in every other episode. The documentary shots were shakier, and always included furtive glances by the characters directly into the camera (which was part of the over-the-top aspect that annoyed me so much).
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The mystery was kind of lame (I knew from the first minute the bass player was on the stage, even before we knew who was dead, that he was the guy) but most Castle mysteries are not brain teasers. I did like the stalker turning out to be the girl's dad; that was a nice change-up.
As soon as they showed him, I said "He did it."

My wife and I can almost always pick out the guilty guy right away in most shows. Sometimes as soon as we see their name in the credits. It's almost always the known guest star or the guy that has shown up in every drama we have watched.
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I didn't so much mind that the filming of a documentary was a part of the storyline (or that some of the episode was shown from the documentary cameras' POV). I just think the characters acted stupidly and unrealistically over-the-top. That's what made the episode annoying (to me).
This.

In particular, Esposito and the chief annoyed me, and Lanie to a lesser degree. I think Castle was perfectly in character.
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This.

In particular, Esposito and the chief annoyed me, and Lanie to a lesser degree. I think Castle was perfectly in character.
I thought Esposito was in character too. He is pretty vain and concerned with looks. Lanie did not jar either. The Captain, yes. I could see her trying to make the department look good, but not the rest.
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I thought Esposito was in character too. He is pretty vain and concerned with looks. Lanie did not jar either. The Captain, yes. I could see her trying to make the department look good, but not the rest.
What "rest"? Becket & Ryan? She was annoyed and uneasy (both logical for her), and Ryan just seemed to be trying to ignore the cameras as much as possible and get on with his work. I don't think he acted much different than usual.

Gates, on the other hand, did act like an idiot trying to make the department look good.
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