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Old 10-26-2012, 10:23 PM   #1
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Fringe 10/26/12 "The Bullet That Saved The World"

1) That ranks pretty high on my list of Things I Did Not See Coming.

2) When Bishops lose their children, it does not often end well for the multiverse.

3) Will we ever learned how the bullet saved the world?
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:33 PM   #2
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That was so sad :-(

Wasn't it when Walter shot Olivia to keep Bell from using her to end the world?
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:35 PM   #3
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Wasn't it when Walter shot Olivia to keep Bell from using her to end the world?
That was my understanding as well.
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:46 PM   #4
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:55 PM   #5
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That surprised me, too. I have been having trouble warming up to the character, but I have to say I found her death moving. Good episode. (And yes, I too understood that to be the bullet Walter shot at Olivia.)
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Old 10-27-2012, 12:03 AM   #6
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Took me a bit to gee the bullet

Great ep, loved the basement of all the old Fringe stuff, and the using of the spray
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Old 10-27-2012, 12:37 AM   #7
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Don't forget what Walter says on the tape, something like "You must understand the
reversibility of every phenomenon".

Does that mean what I think it may means? I don't know, but it may. Otherwise why put that line in? It's Chekov's gun.
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Old 10-27-2012, 12:40 AM   #8
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To add a bit more. The bullet is there to remind us how Olivia was shot in the head but regenerated; Etta is Olivia's daughter.

And "reversibility of every phenomenon" could be referring to the anti-matter baton. If that phenomenon is reversed, then Etta could regenerate.

Am I stretching it?
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Old 10-27-2012, 03:06 AM   #9
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Who? Maybe you mean Peter?

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Yeah, count me in as someone who didn't see that coming.
At least Etta went out on her own terms.

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3) Will we ever learned how the bullet saved the world?
The bullet gave Etta the resolve to fight with the resistance against the Observers.
The Observers didn't understand the significance, until it was too late.
Because of Etta's action, the Observers that were getting close to the truth were taken out and the Fringe team was able to escape to fight another day.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:16 AM   #10
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The bullet gave Etta the resolve to fight with the resistance against the Observers.
The Observers didn't understand the significance, until it was too late.
Because of Etta's action, the Observers that were getting close to the truth were taken out and the Fringe team was able to escape to fight another day.
How on Earth did Peter know all that?

I suspect everybody else is right. I just don't remember that bullet still existing, but then again, I've never had the best memory.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:22 AM   #11
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1) That ranks pretty high on my list of Things I Did Not See Coming.
With Georgina Haig being listed as secondary cast I had a feeling we'd get this result.

It was still nice to see our old Fringe event tech floating around.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:54 AM   #12
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It was still nice to see our old Fringe event tech floating around.
(I don't regard this as a spoiler, but for people who don't want their imaginations poked, I'll hide it.)

I saw a comment from the Fringe showrunner in the offseason that

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everything we had seen in the prior three seasons would be paid off in this season.


Now I see what he meant.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:57 AM   #13
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It was still nice to see our old Fringe event tech floating around.
For a moment, I thought they would go through a series of old Fringe stuff in their Diabolical Plan to get into the subway station. Bit of a let-down that they only used the one thing, repeatedly.
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Old 10-27-2012, 10:04 AM   #14
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A couple of things.

1. It is now pretty obvious that Etta was added to the show and made as appealing as possible for the purpose heightening the shock to the audience of killing her off. Because, somehow, the Observers invading, the billions of people dying, the loss of freedom and dignity, and the impoverishment of a world was not enough to convince people that our intrepid heroes are on a vengeful quest without compunction or mercy and be 100% behind them.

2. That said, I don't think Etta died. Or if she did die, she will turn up alive. The show has killed Olivia three times (I'm counting the time she was pronounced brain dead after flying though the windshield) and she is still alive. I can think of a couple ways she could have been saved.
September - Walter said his fate was 'unexpected' and therefore, not dead. If Windmark could teleport himself out of harms way with a couple seconds left, September could come in and grab Etta and be gone in the same amount of time. And since he can time travel, he can do it (that goes for any other time travelers including those who know about Alistair Peck's white tulip experiments)
Anti-matter bomb- A real anti-matter bomb would blow things up, making H-bombs look puny. The Fringe ones gently collapse things into nothingness. What do they really do? Send those things somewhere else? A somewhere where they can be retrieved?

3. Circumstantial meta-evidence.
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On Set 24 Joel Wyman tweeted that the show was half-way done filming (https://twitter.com/JWFRINGE/status/250807613321793536). If this were the case, Six shows would be in the can and a seventh in principal photography. So one would expect Georgia Haig (Etta) to be gone - either to Hollywood or somewhere else other than Vancouver. however on October 10th John Nobel tweeted that Georgia Haig was just over for tea (https://twitter.com/johnnob58004412/...89089555034113). True, she might have been in Vancouver for other things or a reshoot, but the more plausible explanation is that she was still on the show weeks after she was killed off.


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Old 10-27-2012, 10:23 AM   #15
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For a moment, I thought they would go through a series of old Fringe stuff in their Diabolical Plan to get into the subway station. Bit of a let-down that they only used the one thing, repeatedly.
Expect more in upcoming episodes. The team is motivated.

I would really like the team to re-create the bone dissolving powder from "Concentrate And Ask Again" and start turning Observers into puddles of boneless flesh. That would be a fitting death.
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Old 10-27-2012, 11:08 AM   #16
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For a moment, I thought they would go through a series of old Fringe stuff in their Diabolical Plan to get into the subway station. Bit of a let-down that they only used the one thing, repeatedly.
Yeah, same here. I was hoping to see some more of the earlier cases come back.

I did groan a bit when Walter had a secret door under a cabinet with a whole secret workshop underneath that no one else knew about.
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And "reversibility of every phenomenon" could be referring to the anti-matter baton. If that phenomenon is reversed, then Etta could regenerate.
I assumed it was a hint that they would reset time to the point before the Observers invaded. Etta would be alive again as a child, and Olivia and Peter would have a chance at raising her to adulthood.

It's not just about reversing an individual death, but everything the Observers did to their world.
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Old 10-27-2012, 11:42 AM   #18
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Huh. That was a shock.

Hey, they finally have pulse rifles. I wonder if they fire 10 millimeter explosive tip caseless, standard light armor piercing rounds.

BTW, unless they invoke an alternate universe clause, I don't think Etta be back. She detonated a fourth-gen pocket anti-matter baton. She wasn't only shot, but obliterated.

Unless she returns the way the Anakin, Obiwan and Yoda "came back" at the end of Episode VI.* (How come Obi wasn't his young self again)?



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Old 10-27-2012, 03:47 PM   #19
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Put me in the "I did not see that coming" camp.

Ouch, ouch, ouch.

Looks like Peter's going to go dark there.
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Because of Etta's action, the Observers that were getting close to the truth were taken out
Except the most dangerous one. The head Observer transported out of there before the bomb exploded.
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I did groan a bit when Walter had a secret door under a cabinet with a whole secret workshop underneath that no one else knew about.
I really liked from a "what can we get away with" aspect the secret underground storage area under the file cabinet worked for me.

They're always willing to toss the pasta at the wall and see if it sticks, this time for me, it did.
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Except the most dangerous one. The head Observer transported out of there before the bomb exploded.
We only saw that one transported. There's no reason to believe the others didn't get out of there as well.
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We only saw that one transported. There's no reason to believe the others didn't get out of there as well.
Well, they only showed the head Observer seeing the bomb counting down, so I think it's reasonable to conclude he was the only one that knew to escape.

But I don't think we'll ever know, since the others were "minor" Observers.
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Well, they only showed the head Observer seeing the bomb counting down, so I think it's reasonable to conclude he was the only one that knew to escape.

But I don't think we'll ever know, since the others were "minor" Observers.
And, they all look alike.

Wait, is that Observer racism?
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3) Will we ever learned how the bullet saved the world?
I'm not understanding this I guess. The bullet was the bullet that went into Olivia's brain when Walter shot her to thwart Bell's plans to destroy both universes. Is there something else I missed?
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Something is off with the invading observers and I just figured out what it is. They seem VERY child-like. While the ones earlier on in the series popped around and saw all aspects of important history, hence they'd have to know what simple things like baseball and necklaces are, these ones are completely oblivious to all things human.

Are they younger, and the next generation after the first we saw, deciding that they wanted to control things rather than just watch them? Or has something changed in them? Knowing this may give a clue to the finale.

I personally think the observers will be removed from existence and because of the way they travel through time, all of their interference will be removed and history will be set back to where it's supposed to be. Unfortunately this may mean the death of young Pacey (good one BTW :P)... i mean Peter since September wouldn't be there.
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And, they all look alike.

Wait, is that Observer racism?
Are you sayin' us baldies all look alike?
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I personally think the observers will be removed from existence and because of the way they travel through time, all of their interference will be removed and history will be set back to where it's supposed to be. Unfortunately this may mean the death of young Pacey (good one BTW :P)... i mean Peter since September wouldn't be there.
He might survive in the other Universe as it was September who distracted Walternate from seeing the crucial reaction for Peter's cure.
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Watching the flickery distorted videos of Walter, and going about taking steps to alter the world, has been reminding me of something but I couldn't put my finger on it until just now: Fringe has become Myst.
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