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Old 09-17-2012, 01:36 PM   #61
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There was a somewhat disturbing interview with showrunner Eric Kripke on Blastr where he goes on at some length about his approach to the show...and not once mentions what happened.

My hopes for the intelligence of the show just dropped considerably...
Well, I hope they don't just expect the audience to accept that this is "just the way things are" without any back story. I absolutely love shows/books/movies with apocalyptic themes but can't stand when the foundation of the story is nonexistent.
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Old 09-17-2012, 02:14 PM   #62
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Well, I hope they don't just expect the audience to accept that this is "just the way things are" without any back story. I absolutely love shows/books/movies with apocalyptic themes but can't stand when the foundation of the story is nonexistent.
I need either more or less. If there's going to be any kind of explanation (e.g., "the electricity stopped working"), then it has to make some kind of sense. But if it's less specific (e.g., "civilization crumbled because of some catastrophe"), I can live with that.

But it doesn't sound like it matters to Kripke beyond "Wouldn't it be cool if the electricity stopped working," without thinking about what that means. Which is unfortunate, it that's really the way they're going. But I'll still wait and see. The proof is in the pudding.
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Old 09-17-2012, 02:16 PM   #63
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There was a somewhat disturbing interview with showrunner Eric Kripke on Blastr where he goes on at some length about his approach to the show...and not once mentions what happened.

My hopes for the intelligence of the show just dropped considerably...
His comparison of Revolution to Tolkien is very disturbing. Not only is the comparison poor, he seems to have no idea of how much time and work Tolkien put into creating the background for his story.
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Old 09-17-2012, 02:52 PM   #64
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The best explanation I can think of is that it is some sort of targeted nanomachine plague -- specifically designed to target the technologies that have failed.
SMEEK. That's what I said on post #17.
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SMEEK. That's what I said on post #17.
#18, your focus was on the alien aspect. I was exploring the nanomachine aspect, especially the holes in the theory -- it is inconsistent. My point is that nanomachines are the least inconsistent explanation I can think of, but it still has major problems. So I don't have much hope for the series coming up with an explanation that has no major consistency problems.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:23 PM   #66
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I'm not an expert on planes, but I kind of doubt jet liners would just fall from the sky without electricity. I would think they would need more redundancies than that.

Still, why no combustion or steam engines?
Or Hydraulics (I Know steam engines can be considered hydraulics, but I'm referring to things like hydraulic presses or actuators).
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:09 PM   #67
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Why is this on the same night as Football?
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:24 PM   #68
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That story will be a tricky one. Batteries don't work, but turning chemical energy into charge separation (electricity) works just fine in human nervous systems ...
Along with steam engines, they'll need to explain the absence of diesel.
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I was going to mention diesel vehicles. In that scene where they watch all the lights on the highway going out in line, the diesel cars and trucks would be running fine until they were shut off or ran out of fuel. The glow plugs for starting need power but you could cobble heating the cylinders from a fire and push start or somesuch.

I would say that airplanes and cars run fine without a battery but they need the electric magneto and ignition to fire the spark plugs.

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I need either more or less. If there's going to be any kind of explanation (e.g., "the electricity stopped working"), then it has to make some kind of sense. But if it's less specific (e.g., "civilization crumbled because of some catastrophe"), I can live with that.

But it doesn't sound like it matters to Kripke beyond "Wouldn't it be cool if the electricity stopped working," without thinking about what that means. Which is unfortunate, it that's really the way they're going. But I'll still wait and see. The proof is in the pudding.
I'm with you. This is very much smelling to be a cartoon. I doubt I'll stay with it for more than a few shows.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:52 PM   #69
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They really are pushing the "girl with a bow" angle.

Worked for "Brave"

In fact so well, my 6yo daughter added a bow/arrows to her Christmas list. So she can "shoot the deer in the backyard" lol.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:08 PM   #70
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the diesel cars and trucks would be running fine until they were shut off or ran out of fuel.
1) Only if they had mechanical fuel pumps and not electrical ones.

2) Automotive Diesels nowadays are EFI. No computer to run the fuel solenoids, no fuel injection.

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Old 09-17-2012, 09:11 PM   #71
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Terra Nova and this show sucked me in with their previews. And both were disappointing.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:27 PM   #72
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Was going to mention...

It took "General Monroe" 15 years to remember that Miles warned his brother about the event right before it happened?
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:20 PM   #73
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Was going to mention...

It took "General Monroe" 15 years to remember that Miles warned his brother about the event right before it happened?
I predict that Charlie's mom is with Monroe or something... I mean he would need to know how the power, magic, physics, stuff turned off in order to turn it back on.
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:00 PM   #74
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Not very far into it and I see myself dumping ths one pretty quickly. I just not have the patience I did before with shows like this especially with as easily as they cancel them.
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Old 09-18-2012, 01:10 AM   #75
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Was going to mention...

It took "General Monroe" 15 years to remember that Miles warned his brother about the event right before it happened?
Well, he only heard one side of the conversation. The only clue he would have had was the last thing Miles said which was "what do you mean, what's gong to turn off?"

Even if Monroe did put 2 and 2 together, he might not been in a position to do anything about it until now, or been searching for Ben and Miles for awhile before he found out where they were. It takes a fair amount of time to build up a post-apocalyptic empire.
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Old 09-18-2012, 01:16 AM   #76
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There was a somewhat disturbing interview with showrunner Eric Kripke on Blastr where he goes on at some length about his approach to the show...and not once mentions what happened.

My hopes for the intelligence of the show just dropped considerably...
Considering that he recently spent 5 years on a show with essentially no rules at all (Supernatural) I'm not surprised he isn't all that concerned with a few limitations of physics.

I wish this program had half the attitude and fun that Supernatural did during his time there. I don't know how a post-apocalyptic show can do that, but if it doesn't inject some lighter stuff it's going to collapse under the weight of it's own seriousness.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:27 AM   #77
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The discussion here is far more interesting than the show was. The cheesy soundtrack and silly wardrobe made it hard for me to take it seriously. The scenes with the bow wielding militia guy were almost MST3K bad.

I felt myself having a hard time suspending disbelief at all of the inconsistencies. The airport runway is all grass after 15 years? Does Tarmac require electricity to prevent it from breaking down? Or would it just look cool if the runway was all grass, cause that fits the look of the show better?

I might give it another episode, but I'm not sure if I can make it through another one.
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Old 09-18-2012, 06:22 AM   #78
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I hope it is internally consistent. What if the "laws" of physics have just changed? I am thinking of the ideal gas law, PV=nRT. What if R, the gas constant, has changed, or is no longer a constant? All steam engines, whether powered by wood, coal, gas, fission, etc, rely on behavior of gasses under pressure, as do diesel and gas internal combustion engines.
We've seen that firearms work, so burning powder still makes an expanding gas that creates pressure. Maybe it's "changed" such that a gun will still fire, but other things won't work? I dunno, but I'm thinking it's more some variation on EMP where "fancy 'lectric stuff no work good no more".

There's a lot of things that bother me about this show, and most of them seem like just a little thought would have improved things.

I can even overlook the plane crash, sorta. So the event made all the control surfaces go wonky, so it got into that spin, I suppose enough of that could dump most of it's forward momentum, at least it wasn't on fire A more realistic crash would have worked just as well though.

All filmmakers aren't past the "gunshots make people fly back 10 feet" thing, yet? And the whole lack of modern firearms is odd. Sure, guns are illegal for the citizens, so they have mostly bows and stuff, but there are way too many hand reloading presses in basements around the country that people use to make modern cartridges, so the regression of the mililita all way back to Civil War era tech muzzleloaders seems out of place and unnecessary. Not to mention that many of those basements with the reloading presses would have modern firearms that would have been confiscated when the firearm ban went into place. If the time frame were much longer than 15 years, I might believe it.

I get that Ben had to die for the story to move forward, but no one seemed to bother to come up with a plausible way for that to happen. The militia guy, who fires the first shot, at close range, and is probably a pretty decent shot, manages to shoot the one guy they're after? Really? It would have been so much more believable (though cliche) if Ben got hit somewhere in the crossfire that ensued after.

I get they're trying to make "Lost 2", but I think they're going to have to start thinking a lot harder about the details.
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I'm just going to say that I liked it, will set a season pass and then I will back out of the thread. I don't have a desire to pick it apart.

I will say the first show that popped in my head as a comparison was not Terra Nova or The Hunger Games. For me it had more of an Jericho vibe.
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I hadn't thought of Terra Nova till that was mentioned here, but I hope it is better than that ended up. My SP is set and I will give it a few more episodes to see how it all plays out.
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The first episode sure had a high body count.

They've done a remarkable job of preserving their clothing stocks for 15 years.

Traveling on foot in winter is going to suck. What have they got to barter for food along the way?
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:44 AM   #82
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Seems like a cheesy rip off / mash up of a bunch of recent pop culture things. Hunger games meets lost meets falling skies. Not as good as falling skies so far, which is not exactly a masterpiece, but I'm enjoying it well enough to keep it for now somehow. Perhaps it fills the "dumb show I for some reason watch" void left by Smallville.

So far Esposito is the most interesting thing about this show.
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They've done a remarkable job of preserving their clothing stocks for 15 years.

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yeah, that was the first thing I noticed

that guy and that girl went hunting and then went into the old rv/camper they found

the boy's shirt looked like it just came from the store, it was whiter than white;
seriously, spotless, no tatters, no smudge, not even a loose thread

and did I mention WHITE

so for what, 10 years with no electricity and the clothes look like that ?

I changed the channel as soon as he got the asthma attack

the series will never make it to season 2
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I see some mentions of Terra Nova. Based on just the Revolution pilot (it could get better), I think that Terra Nova was much better, especially if you just compare pilot to pilot. I think Jericho was also better, though I lost interest in that after several episodes. Revolution is on a whole different level of cheesy than Terra Nova and Jericho. And comparing this to LOST? I don't think so. It reminds me more of a Hunger Games knockoff you might see on the Syfy channel.
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As usual I see if the premise of the pilot is enough to get me to tune in again and this pilot did that. I will then give it a couple weeks to find its footing and see if I still want to watch. I very rarely make a knee jerk reaction on a pilot.
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The first episode sure had a high body count.

They've done a remarkable job of preserving their clothing stocks for 15 years.

Traveling on foot in winter is going to suck. What have they got to barter for food along the way?
How do you know there is still winter?
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How do you know there is still winter?
Yeah, and if everything with electricity is f'd up, is there any lightning anymore??
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...Still, why no combustion or steam engines?
That was my thought as well? Steam powered locomotives?
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Why not?
The odds are not in his favor...football night is Monday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, sometimes Friday...
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