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Old 09-03-2012, 03:29 PM   #61
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I'm thinking that maybe the crash is an important part of the Oswin arc. Perhaps the Daleks did something different with her specifically because she had been a companion of the Doctor. Or maybe she just had a twin sister.
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You know, it won't have been the first time that Doctor Who (show) had an actress who played a one-off character join The Doctor as companion as a completely different character.
Freema Agyeman for example.

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Old 09-03-2012, 03:32 PM   #62
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Jenna-Louise had a clever response to the question, "Do you have a favorite monster that you'd like to meet?"

I wonder if it could be that she is River Song's daughter. Being 1/2 somewhat Time Lord might be what gave her the ability to resist the Dalek programming.

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Old 09-03-2012, 03:58 PM   #63
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Lightbulb Did everyone watch Pond Life yet?

Did everyone watch Pond Life yet?

If your Tivo can view Youtube, just run a search on Pond Life and view the 5 videos + commentary from the BBC there...

Doctor Who Prequel: Pond Life part 1 - Series 7 Autumn 2012 - BBC One

Doctor Who Prequel: Pond Life part 1 - Series 7 Autumn 2012 - BBC One
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00w...ures/pond-life

I thought it was interesting seeing which files had the most activity.
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Old 09-03-2012, 06:20 PM   #64
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That's why it had a spoiler tag.

There's no such thing as a spoiler from the current episode in an episode thread.

Ironically, I thought I had given too much away with the "ironically," since there's really only one spoiler that could have followed in that context. The reason I went ahead is because it isn't really a spoiler, since
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the new companion has been very widely publicized, and the intent of the producers wasn't to slip her in unnoticed, but rather to have it be a huge shock when she showed up several episodes early.
What I posted was my thinking at the time. I don't know why I was thinking that a thread about an episode would have a spoiler tag about content in that episode? But that is what I was thinking at the time and the reason I clicked on the spoiler. Major for me.
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:04 PM   #65
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Well, if it's any consolation, you're meant to know that...and people everywhere else who don't have such pedantic forum rules are having much more interesting conversations because they're able to discuss the actual implications of what was revealed in this episode instead of pretending that it's a spoiler.
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:29 PM   #66
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The whole "Dalek conversion" thing reminded me of the way Star Trek tweaked the Borg assimilation thing between TNG and the movies... and it was bad there, and it was bad here.
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:50 PM   #67
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The whole "Dalek conversion" thing reminded me of the way Star Trek tweaked the Borg assimilation thing between TNG and the movies... and it was bad there, and it was bad here.
I think it depends on how far they take the conversion. If the conversion was limited to the planet of rejects (and the woman who lured the Doctor was an exception so that they could trap him) then it makes sense that they wouldn't care about having their species diluted by outside DNA.

So as a defense mechanism it makes sense. They can't beat you if they join you.

On the other hand, I have to wonder what the purpose of doing a "full conversion" on Orwin was. The Doctor said it was because the Daleks "needed genius". Given that the outside Daleks had no clue what was going on down there, he must have been referring to the ones on the planet. But I'm not sure what they needed genius for. To escape? Because they wanted something more out of their existence?
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She looks like Miranda Kerr.
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Old 09-03-2012, 08:32 PM   #69
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Do you mean Jenna-Louise Coleman?

No, I don't think she looks like Denise Richards. Her eyes and round face do remind me of Christina Ricci.
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Why did the Daleks not think that the Doctor had been killed, as the rest of the universe was led to believe last season?
I had to rewatch to answer this. They took a gamble. He had died. And some said he may have come back. Let's hope that is true. Recap of he voice over by the dalek puppet at the beginning. They heard rumors of his return and played the odds. Pretty simple, actually. They didn't "know" he was alive. By just worked that angle in case he was.
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Also, given the Doctor's nonlinear existence, it almost doesn't matter.

You set a Doctor trap, you're likely to get a Doctor passing by at some point in his life, even if he is indeed known to have died.
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Old 09-04-2012, 07:57 AM   #72
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Did that girl in the red dress remind anyone of Denise Richards (at Starship Troopers time, not now)?

Too bad she died, would have been an excellent companion.
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No, I don't think she looks like Denise Richards. Her eyes and round face do remind me of Christina Ricci.
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Old 09-04-2012, 09:35 AM   #73
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she IS the new companion, although nobody seems to be able to figure out how that's going to work. Her presence in this episode was a very well-kept secret. She (re)joins the cast for good in the Christmas Special.
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How is it going to work? It probably "just does." If this was the Tom Baker era, I'd expect somebody to say, "It's a fascinating story; remind me to tell you someday."

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but back in the "Trial of a Time Lord" days (in the Colin Baker/Sixth Doctor era), they introduced Bonnie Langford's character as a companion from the Doctor's future, who suddenly became his companion "in the present," and they never did explain how he found her in the first place.

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How is it going to work? It probably "just does." If this was the Tom Baker era, I'd expect somebody to say, "It's a fascinating story; remind me to tell you someday."

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but back in the "Trial of a Time Lord" days (in the Colin Baker/Sixth Doctor era), they introduced Bonnie Langford's character as a companion from the Doctor's future, who suddenly became his companion "in the present," and they never did explain how he found her in the first place.
But,
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given Moffat's penchant for planning his seasons out in excruciating detail, I suspect he knows exactly what he's doing. I just hope what he's doing lives up to the hype! It's a brilliant move on his and BBC's part, however, to get this kind of conversation going...at least, in places where it's allowed. They very cleverly manipulated events so everybody over there would know she was going to be the new companion starting at Christmas (there was a lot of publicity this summer with her, Moffat, and Smith), and concealed her presence in this episode to get people wondering how the hell she could possibly end up being the new companion? They're making very good use of the way society works these days to enhance people's enjoyment of the Doctor Who experience and build a lot of buzz in the process.

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given Moffat's penchant for planning his seasons out in excruciating detail, I suspect he knows exactly what he's doing. I just hope what he's doing lives up to the hype! It's a brilliant move on his and BBC's part, however, to get this kind of conversation going...at least, in places where it's allowed. They very cleverly manipulated events so everybody over there would know she was going to be the new companion starting at Christmas (there was a lot of publicity this summer with her, Moffat, and Smith), and concealed her presence in this episode to get people wondering how the hell she could possibly end up being the new companion? They're making very good use of the way society works these days to enhance people's enjoyment of the Doctor Who experience and build a lot of buzz in the process.
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Yeah-- I'm of a similar mind. It reminds me of the River Song story-- he knew her ulitmate end before he really knew her. Since he never saw Oswin, perhaps when he meets her he'll not reconginze the voice-- but that doesn't explain why she does not recognize him. They may play some angle about miniatureized people and she was inside the dalek and in full control of it, but she was in fact really miniturized and not not really the dalek itself. Somehow that would be less satisfying to me, but I could see it. Looking forward as always to how they unbend it all. If he knows her after this event he'll have to show up in a very small window to rescue her before the asylum is destroyed.

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Yeah-- I'm of a similar mind. It reminds me of the River Song story-- he knew her ulitmate end before he really knew her. Since he never saw Oswin, perhaps when he meets her he'll not reconginze the voice-- but that doesn't explain why she does not recognize him. They may play some angle about miniatureized people and she was inside the dalek and in full control of it, but she was in fact really miniturized and not not really the dalek itself. Somehow that would be less satisfying to me, but I could see it. Looking forward as always to how they unbend it all. If he knows her after this event he'll have to show up in a very small window to rescue her before the asylum is destroyed.
Or something altogether else could be going on, that just isn't occurring to us. Which could be very cool (if it works) or very not so cool (if it doesn't).
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I must be an old fart for sure now, because I am sitting here thinking how I seem to enjoy Russell T. Davies' wild flights of self-indulgence much more than I do Moffat's.
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I must admit, I enjoyed this episode, but am I the only one who thinks a regeneration is way past due?

I haven't been a fan of "David Tennent Lite" since day one.
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I must admit, I enjoyed this episode, but am I the only one who thinks a regeneration is way past due?

I haven't been a fan of "David Tennent Lite" since day one.
I used to be a fan but now not so much.
Matt Smith is aping Tennant, not bringing his own style to the character.
It's like when they switched Darrens on Bewitched.
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I must admit, I enjoyed this episode, but am I the only one who thinks a regeneration is way past due?
Well, they don't have that many left - IIRC, it's "the original plus 12 regenerations" (the "fifth doctor" (Peter Davison) once referred to himself as "the fourth regeneration," so I assume that's how it works).

Then again, there's a way to "reset your count"; I think somebody (The Doctor? The Master?) was told in "The Five Doctors" that he could get a new set of 12 regenerations.
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Then again, there's a way to "reset your count"; I think somebody (The Doctor? The Master?) was told in "The Five Doctors" that he could get a new set of 12 regenerations.
I think you have to somehow take them from another timelord, I don't think you can just manufacture them. IIRC.
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I think you have to somehow take them from another timelord, I don't think you can just manufacture them. IIRC.
From River Song?
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That would be my guess. She only had two regenerations.

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Well, they don't have that many left - IIRC, it's "the original plus 12 regenerations" (the "fifth doctor" (Peter Davison) once referred to himself as "the fourth regeneration," so I assume that's how it works).

Then again, there's a way to "reset your count"; I think somebody (The Doctor? The Master?) was told in "The Five Doctors" that he could get a new set of 12 regenerations.
Pretty sure the limit is gone. It was imposed by the leaders on Gallifrey. And the Master never took them from another time lord. He did it himself on Trakken and later in the USA. The Time Lords did give him more so he could come back in the new series.

Anyway, Matt Smith is here through next season at least. And I like him. He is not aping Tennant. Go watch the Tennant episodes again as I am now. Tennant was much more serious. Much more. The Doctor has often been flippant. That part of Matt Smith is more Tom Baker than Tennant.

Oh. And i loved the episode. It was tight and consistent and worked in many levels.
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Well, in the past the Time Lords gave the Master another whole set as a reward, which implies it's arbitrary. And since there are no more Time Lords, it can be argued that there's no one to set limits any more.

Since the whole regeneration thing was always an ad hoc plot device to get new actors into the role, and since so many different things have been said about the process and limitations or lack of same, they will have no problem coming up with some hand-waving that is consistent with something that's already happened when the time comes.
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There was an episode of, I think, the Sarah Jane Chronicles or whatever it was called that made it clear there really was no limit on regenerations. It's in the canon now. No limit.

And I think Matt Smith is one of the best. Tom Baker was my first Doctor, and will always hold a special place for me, but both Tennant and Smith are good in my book.
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I'm not the world's biggest fan of Matt Smith's Doctor, but even I can see that he's in no way imitating/emulating/whatever Tennant's Doctor. What I think that Matt Smith is trying to convey is the age of the Doctor, and there are definitely times I get that. He's not serious like Tennant's Doctor was... he's just worn out.
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I'm not the world's biggest fan of Matt Smith's Doctor, but even I can see that he's in no way imitating/emulating/whatever Tennant's Doctor. What I think that Matt Smith is trying to convey is the age of the Doctor, and there are definitely times I get that. He's not serious like Tennant's Doctor was... he's just worn out.
That works for me. Travel weary. But youthful at the same time. Flirty. Trying to be cool like the "cool parent" which I guess conveys age as well.

Tenant was not only serious, he was angry. He did just about one foaming at the mouth scene each episode.
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Tenant was not only serious, he was angry. He did just about one foaming at the mouth scene each episode.
Eccelston was angrier. I still remember the spit flying from his mouth in Dalek.
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That would be my guess. She only had two regenerations.
And then she gave up the rest of them to save The Doctor. If they do need some plot device other than just stating that there isn't a limit, all they need to do is say that when she gave up her regenerations, The Doctor got them.
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