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Old 09-02-2012, 11:13 AM   #31
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I've been watching Dr. Who for 40 years.

This. Was. Awful.
I agree. I am used to suspending disbelief with Doctor Who, but the plot and consistency problems in this episode were far beyond what I normally expect from Doctor Who. None of the characters behaved in ways that made sense given the situations and things that have happened in the past. I think the writers really wanted to do a Dalek episode, but they really forced the situations instead of finding a way to let it flow "naturally".

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Old 09-02-2012, 11:47 AM   #32
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That's why it had a spoiler tag.

There's no such thing as a spoiler from the current episode in an episode thread.

Ironically, I thought I had given too much away with the "ironically," since there's really only one spoiler that could have followed in that context. The reason I went ahead is because it isn't really a spoiler, since
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the new companion has been very widely publicized, and the intent of the producers wasn't to slip her in unnoticed, but rather to have it be a huge shock when she showed up several episodes early.
So widely publicized that even though I watch everything, listen to a podcast, and casually read a couple of blogs, I did not know.

I realize you have to always be right and yes you followed the rules, but a little context would have been welcomed.

Nice to see johnn4200 actually making a comment about the show.
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Old 09-02-2012, 11:56 AM   #33
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I realize you have to always be right and yes you followed the rules, but a little context would have been welcomed.
Rob was not only in the right, he followed the rules wisely. You are asking for him to do something unwise. Additionally, your previous comments make no sense (I thought you were joking).
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Old 09-02-2012, 12:19 PM   #34
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Oswin BTW, appears to be an old English name meaning 'God's friend'.

Spoiler:
Time Lord... God... Friend... companion...

Oh noes! A spoiler tag! Should I clicks on its?

PS: Leave Rob alone! After all he's been through!

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Old 09-02-2012, 12:23 PM   #35
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I really liked Oswin. I didn't guess that she was a Dalek. I was thinking along the lines of "Devil in a red dress".

I'm tired of Amy and her bs. Can't wait until she leaves the show.

This episode was severely lacking in River Song awesomeness.

AT&T and American Express. I don't remember this show having such big sponsors or at least I didn't notice until this episode.
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Old 09-02-2012, 12:43 PM   #36
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I don't follow Carlos' answer: are you saying that the ship's comm somehow converted the Dalek-sounding-voice to make it sound human?
She's in complete control of the computer. She can (subconsciously) make it sound like whatever she wants.

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Old 09-02-2012, 01:11 PM   #37
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She's in complete control of the computer. She can (subconsciously) make it sound like whatever she wants.

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Ah, okay. I can accept that. Thanks.
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Old 09-02-2012, 01:48 PM   #38
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Ah, okay. I can accept that. Thanks.
It's alo possible that the Dalek shell just has crappy speakers or audio circuitry, but going through the computer gives hifi. And maybe Dolby stereo, also.
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Old 09-02-2012, 02:00 PM   #39
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It's alo possible that the Dalek shell just has crappy speakers or audio circuitry, but going through the computer gives hifi. And maybe Dolby stereo, also.
How annoying would that be? No wonder they're always so cranky!
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Old 09-02-2012, 04:16 PM   #40
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I agree. I am used to suspending disbelief with Doctor Who, but the plot and consistency problems in this episode were far beyond what I normally expect from Doctor Who. None of the characters behaved in ways that made sense given the situations and things that have happened in the past. I think the writers really wanted to do a Dalek episode, but they really forced the situations instead of finding a way to let it flow "naturally".
Yep. I have no problem suspending disbelief, but the whole thing left me, my husband & my son looking at each other going 'really?? really??'

Especially the end. When all the daleks are saying 'Doctor Who?'

Bleh. I really hope it gets better. It almost HAS to.
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Old 09-02-2012, 09:52 PM   #41
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I agree this was a pretty weak episode.

I'm so over amy and rory, and ready for the next companion.
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Old 09-02-2012, 11:36 PM   #42
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I imagine making the Daleks forget the Doctor, and then leave them asking the question "Doctor who?" is a setup for the event that Dorium Maldovar told the Doctor would come to pass.
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Old 09-03-2012, 08:55 AM   #43
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I thought this episode was fun. Not great, but fun. I know it borders on blasphemy to say so, but I think the Daleks are easily the least interesting Doctor Who villains, so any time they throw in a monkey wrench like Oswin to mix it up I can only count that as a plus.
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Old 09-03-2012, 09:33 AM   #44
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That's why it had a spoiler tag.

There's no such thing as a spoiler from the current episode in an episode thread.

Ironically, I thought I had given too much away with the "ironically," since there's really only one spoiler that could have followed in that context. The reason I went ahead is because it isn't really a spoiler, since * SPOILER *
Yeah. The ironically did it for me. So I clicked it to confirm what the ironically said to me.

But you did the spoiler right. Cannot spoil something from the current episode since it is already being talked about.
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Old 09-03-2012, 09:35 AM   #45
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Old 09-03-2012, 09:48 AM   #46
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I will say that the entire business about Amy and Rory splitting up was unnecessary, and the reason for their split was terribly contrived. Do they live in an alternate universe where men never face disappointment and where adoption/surrogacy/infertility treatments don't exist?
I think you missed the point. It wasn't about Rory not understanding nor was it about Amy realizing the things you just stated. It was post-traumatic stress for Amy. She was taken, sequestered for her entire pregnancy while a doppelgänger lived her life and her baby, who she never met until she was middle aged, was programmed to kill her best friend. And the end result was that she cannot get pregnant. I'd say she is allowed a bit of hysteria about it all.
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I'd say she is allowed a bit of hysteria about it all.
I wish she'd do it off camera.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:07 AM   #48
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We don't like the Daleks much, so this episode was just something to endure. Hopefully this is the last Dalek-focused episode we get for awhile!
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When I think about the Darlek's, how scary is a villain with a plunger attached to it?

In terms of story arc, the Darleks are his main enemy without question, I just wish they would go through some evolution or something to modern them up.
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Did that girl in the red dress remind anyone of Denise Richards (at Starship Troopers time, not now)?

Too bad she died, would have been an excellent companion.
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Did that girl in the red dress remind anyone of Denise Richards (at Starship Troopers time, not now)?
Do you mean Jenna-Louise Coleman?

No, I don't think she looks like Denise Richards. Her eyes and round face do remind me of Christina Ricci.
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Yes I was also thinking Christina Ricci
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Old 09-03-2012, 01:57 PM   #53
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When I think about the Darlek's, how scary is a villain with a plunger attached to it?

In terms of story arc, the Darleks are his main enemy without question, I just wish they would go through some evolution or something to modern them up.
I would say his main enemy during the history of the show is the Master.

I love their commitment to the Dalek design. When they changed it up last year I think it was a bit of fail.
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When I think about the Darlek's, how scary is a villain with a plunger attached to it?

In terms of story arc, the Darleks are his main enemy without question, I just wish they would go through some evolution or something to modern them up.
An Evolution of the Daleks? Like this?


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An Evolution of the Daleks? Like this?

Fine, if that's the plan to evolve them then they went the right direction by dropping that plan.
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The Daleks have been an iconic symbol of British culture for half a century. I suspect any serious attempt to change their look would result in a massive outcry, and possibly the overthrow of the British government.
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:16 PM   #58
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I was under the impression that the Daleks were little squid-like one-eyed brain creatures living inside of the metal exterior (revealed in a Chris Eccleston episode 6 - "Dalek" - in 2005). So to have Oswin have to metamorphose into the metallic container didn't make sense to me. I thought she was trapped inside the metal shell with the plunger and the telescope.
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:04 PM   #59
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*spoiler*
Spoiler:
I'm thinking that maybe the crash is an important part of the Oswin arc. Perhaps the Daleks did something different with her specifically because she had been a companion of the Doctor. Or maybe she just had a twin sister.


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Rob was not only in the right, he followed the rules wisely. You are asking for him to do something unwise. Additionally, your previous comments make no sense (I thought you were joking).
Yeah. It makes far more sense to give extra details about lesser spoilers than major ones. This whole discussion about spoilers has probably done far more to spoil what Rob put in spoiler tags than how he put them in spoiler tags.

Ironically, our frequent use of spoiler tags has caused spoilers to lose their significance. But in general, the safe thing to do is assume all spoilers are the worst possible spoiler until more information is given. If one is uncertain, then either leave it alone or ask for more details before clicking.
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I was under the impression that the Daleks were little squid-like one-eyed brain creatures living inside of the metal exterior (revealed in a Chris Eccleston episode 6 - "Dalek" - in 2005). So to have Oswin have to metamorphose into the metallic container didn't make sense to me. I thought she was trapped inside the metal shell with the plunger and the telescope.
I think they extracted her brain, and converted it into a Dalek one. For some reason, she was able to fight back against the Dalek programming via the delusion that she was still trapped in her ship making souffles. Perhaps it was her love for her mother that kept her "sane".
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