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Old 08-26-2012, 06:34 PM   #1
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Could Apple’s patent win help TiVo?

Ok, legal minds, could Apple’s win help TiVo?
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Did you have something particular in mind? I don't see any connection whatsoever.
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Ok, legal minds, could Apple’s win help TiVo?
Maybe they could learn how to not spend 5 years in court for one case.
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Old 08-27-2012, 05:53 AM   #4
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Ok, legal minds, could Apple’s win help TiVo?
I think he is talking about either one of this article.
How to win patent infringement case?
bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-06/tivo-apple-yahoo-coca-cola-intellectual-property.html
Apple win against Samsung may help TiVo to win against Cisco.
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Apple to acquire TiVo?
news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57495598-37/apples-set-top-box-cure-a-tivo-acquisition/
I hope Apple will acquire TiVo. I would love to see my TiVo powered by iOS.
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Old 08-27-2012, 07:42 AM   #5
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I would hate for Apple to acquire TiVo. I've gotten by just fine for decades without owning any Apple products. No reason to change now. Although Apple buying TiVo would be the only compelling reason I could see for me to buy an Apple product for something.
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I agree that TiVo would not be better if acquired by Apple. I also have never bought an Apple product which I consider proprietary and over-priced. My only exception was 3 years ago when I bought the Apple stock which was not proprietary and certainly was not over-priced!
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TiVo is old tech, I don't see Apple going that way.
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If apple owned Tivo, they would charge 99 cents per recording.
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I would hate for Apple to acquire TiVo. I've gotten by just fine for decades without owning any Apple products. No reason to change now. Although Apple buying TiVo would be the only compelling reason I could see for me to buy an Apple product for something.
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I agree that TiVo would not be better if acquired by Apple. I also have never bought an Apple product which I consider proprietary and over-priced. My only exception was 3 years ago when I bought the Apple stock which was not proprietary and certainly was not over-priced!
Same here never bought anything from Apple. I did load itunes on one computer way back when - removed it within a week without buying anything. I just don't see the need for anything they sell at the price point they sell it.
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I think I should start up a news service consisting of speculative articles on which companies I think are NOT going to buy TiVo. It would be a short list. Ralston-Purina? Givenchy? Jiffy Lube? I've certainly lost count of the number of different companies named as potential TiVo suitors in content-free articles over the past 12+ years. Apple makes no more sense than the rest of them - perhaps less. Apple doesn't want to be in the free content business, they want to sell you content.
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If I was TiVo I would be very nervous about Apple's entry into cloud based
storage of tv shows.

This is truly the future,not filling up a hard drive that can break ,recordings you have to setup,etc. I'm not saying physical hard drive storage is going away
completely but mostly it will go away.

I could easily see an Apple product where you just go to the cloud and any show that has already broadcast is available to you on your tv,computer,tablet,
phone immediately.No need to set up a recording and of course if you wanna watch live tv fine.No need for a hard drive that can fail like some of my TiVo 's
have.

This will be the end of TiVo as we know it.Yes Apple will make some money on storage and they will sell more video too.
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If I was TiVo I would be very nervous about Apple's entry into cloud based
storage of tv shows.

This is truly the future,not filling up a hard drive that can break ,recordings you have to setup,etc. I'm not saying physical hard drive storage is going away
completely but mostly it will go away.

I could easily see an Apple product where you just go to the cloud and any show that has already broadcast is available to you on your tv,computer,tablet,
phone immediately.No need to set up a recording and of course if you wanna watch live tv fine.No need for a hard drive that can fail like some of my TiVo 's
have.

This will be the end of TiVo as we know it.Yes Apple will make some money on storage and they will sell more video too.
Well I for one have no interest in paying Apple for everything I want to watch on TV and I have no interest in "live" TV - way to many commercials.

Also my guess is video content producers have long enough memories to make sure Apple can't control their content like Apple did with music providers. So the chances of Apple or any other provider actually being able to provide me access to content at a cost comparable to my DVR are slim to none.

Plus Cloud storage only sounds good if you have rock solid, fast, unlimited Internet access otherwise it doesn't workout so well.
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Well I for one have no interest in paying Apple for everything I want to watch on TV and I have no interest in "live" TV - way to many commercials.

Also my guess is video content producers have long enough memories to make sure Apple can't control their content like Apple did with music providers. So the chances of Apple or any other provider actually being able to provide me access to content at a cost comparable to my DVR are slim to none.

Plus Cloud storage only sounds good if you have rock solid, fast, unlimited Internet access otherwise it doesn't workout so well.
Well one way or another cloud based storage of tv shows is coming and sooner then I expected. You may have heard that Apple is negotiating already with
networks,etc.

I can stream Netflix just fine without a fast connection .

I think Apple's cloud cost will be cheaper then buying a TiVo and paying a yearly
or lifetime subscription. In fact , it may be significantly cheaper .

Only time will tell but if I was a betting man I would say we will see our shows in the cloud pretty soon.
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:47 PM   #14
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TiVo is old tech, I don't see Apple going that way.
Yes this is very true . Cloud based storage of tv content is the future whether
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Well one way or another cloud based storage of tv shows is coming and sooner then I expected. You may have heard that Apple is negotiating already with
networks,etc.

I can stream Netflix just fine without a fast connection .

I think Apple's cloud cost will be cheaper then buying a TiVo and paying a yearly
or lifetime subscription. In fact , it may be significantly cheaper .

Only time will tell but if I was a betting man I would say we will see our shows in the cloud pretty soon.
Well cloud storage already exists from Apple, Amazon, Google, Hulu, Netflix, TNT TV, infinity, Vudu, & others, so if it is going to be here or not isn't the question.

The question is how much is it going to cost, how is it going to work (who controls it), and what quality is it going to be.

With TiVo I get the same quality as the original broadcast and I am in control of how long the show remains available to view. Nothing else provides that now and I don't expect will anytime soon.

As far as costs go right now something like Hulu+ is fairly cheap but forces me to watch advertising, something like Netflix makes you wait for years to watch the show, and something like Apple costs an arm and a leg as you have to buy each show.

The bottom line is the only way to obtain the ability to view all the first run shows near when they are first aired at anywhere near the cost of recording them on a TiVo is if your pay TV provider provided the service. Maybe Apple will become an actually TV provider and you will be able to subscribe to some Apple service without having another pay TV provider, I don't know - what I do know is what ever Apple does will not be cheap and certainly will not be cheaper than using my TiVos to record OTA content.
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I can stream Netflix just fine without a fast connection .
Try fast forwarding and rewinding compared to a local copy. It is nowhere near the same experience and this is why I don't stream. I do stream TiVo to TiVo since the experience is the same regardless of which TiVo I am on.
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If apple owned Tivo, they would charge 99 cents per recording.
Videos are $1.99/ea

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Is that for SD and HD? The going rate from other sources like Amazon, Xbox Live, PSN, and VUDU is around $1.99 for SD episodes and $2.99 for HD episodes. Which I think is at least a dollar too high.
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Too bad TiVo didn't have the bucks to buy up Apple shares big time when it was only $70 a pop a few years ago.
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Did you have something particular in mind? I don't see any connection whatsoever.
Sorry could not get back until now. Why did this turn into a bash apple thread?

The connection I see is that if Samsung loss because they believed there was nothing wrong in building a knock-off product. TiVo in the same place with Cisco and other making “knock-off” DVR. Could TiVo use this case as a precedent to go after Cisco and other and demand payment for copying TiVo?
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Too bad TiVo didn't have the bucks to buy up Apple shares big time when it was only $70 a pop a few years ago.
I brought 200 share at @ $53.00 or $10,600. It split 2 to 1 @ $81.00 ending up with 400 share which at closing today is now $675.68 per share or $270,272.00.

Just had a hunch that iPod would be a hit. Now if only sold the house....
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If I was TiVo I would be very nervous about Apple's entry into cloud based
storage of tv shows.

This is truly the future,not filling up a hard drive that can break ,recordings you have to setup,etc. I'm not saying physical hard drive storage is going away
completely but mostly it will go away.

I could easily see an Apple product where you just go to the cloud and any show that has already broadcast is available to you on your tv,computer,tablet,
phone immediately.No need to set up a recording and of course if you wanna watch live tv fine.No need for a hard drive that can fail like some of my TiVo 's
have.

This will be the end of TiVo as we know it.Yes Apple will make some money on storage and they will sell more video too.
That service already exists. Prior art and all that. Its called Amazon VOD.

Minor details about licence agreements dictating timing between air date and available date and which shows the service has licence too aside.

We don't need Apple to 'invent' yet another device to charge us 99cents per item for a service we already have.

Besides, with the growing problem of limited monthly bandwidth, the whole cloud thing for video is growing thin on ROI.
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That service already exists. Prior art and all that. Its called Amazon VOD.

Minor details about licence agreements dictating timing between air date and available date and which shows the service has licence too aside.

We don't need Apple to 'invent' yet another device to charge us 99cents per item for a service we already have.

Besides, with the growing problem of limited monthly bandwidth, the whole cloud thing for video is growing thin on ROI.
With a TiVo box ,can you watch your recorded shows way from the house? You can if you have a Slingbox too.

I can see a Apple box which is a cloud based dvr( no need for a physical hard drive ),part Slingbox where you can watch all of your shows anywhere in the world with a Internet connection .There will be no need to setup recordings,just
pull up the menu and pick your favorite show which starts immediately. There will be a way to download shows onto yourt computer,tablet so you can watch
with no Internet connection.

I think this is what Apple wishes to do and I think they will be successful at it.

And I think this way will be cheaper then the TiVo route which is quite expensive
On a yearly basis .

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With a TiVo box ,can you watch your recorded shows way from the house? You can if you have a Slingbox too.

I can see a Apple box which is a cloud based dvr( no need for a physical hard drive ),part Slingbox where you can watch all of your shows anywhere in the world with a Internet connection .There will be no need to setup recordings,just
pull up the menu and pick your favorite show which starts immediately. There will be a way to download shows onto yourt computer,tablet so you can watch
with no Internet connection.

I think this is what Apple wishes to do and I think they will be successful at it.

And I think this way will be cheaper then the TiVo route which is quite expensive
On a yearly basis .
You are describing what we all want: access to anything we want to watch, on any devise we want to watch it on, anywhere we want to watch it, at anytime we want to watch it.

The problem is content isn't free and having it delivered to us isn't free.

The content is owned by dozens of different companies all of which are attempting to maximize their profits while retaining control of their content.

The delivery systems are also owned or controled by dozens (hundreds ?) of companies, we have, movie theaters, solid media (DVD & blu-ray) Over The Air (OTA) broadcasts, traditional cable, Satellite, and newer services such as FIOS, U-verse, & Streaming via the Internet.

Apple doesn't currently produce or control any of the content and as far as we know does not have any new or special way to deliver it or own or control any of the current deliver systems.

Maybe Apple will get a significant number of content providers to allow them to package and sell content in a new way that does allow us access to anything we want to watch, on any devise we want to watch it on, anywhere we want to watch, at anytime we want to watch it at a reasonable cost. That would be great - I just don't believe it.
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I see a lot of people in here seem to think Apple is all about selling things for 99¢ in order to make money.

That's not their game at all. They hardly make any money at all from the sales of music, TV shows, movies and apps.

It amounts to something like 2% of revenue and almost no real profit.

They are a hardware company. They make all of their money from hardware. The ability to buy songs and movies and apps for a few bucks is really just a way for them to make their hardware more appealing.
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Sorry could not get back until now. Why did this turn into a bash apple thread?

The connection I see is that if Samsung loss because they believed there was nothing wrong in building a knock-off product. TiVo in the same place with Cisco and other making “knock-off” DVR. Could TiVo use this case as a precedent to go after Cisco and other and demand payment for copying TiVo?
This thread has veered off course, let return to my question please.
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I think Apple could learn from TiVo.

Apple won it's first court case against Samsung. There will be years of appeals and patent invalidation requests, just like there was with the TiVo vs Dish suit.
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I see a lot of people in here seem to think Apple is all about selling things for 99¢ in order to make money.

That's not their game at all. They hardly make any money at all from the sales of music, TV shows, movies and apps.

It amounts to something like 2% of revenue and almost no real profit.

They are a hardware company. They make all of their money from hardware. The ability to buy songs and movies and apps for a few bucks is really just a way for them to make their hardware more appealing.
It's well known that Apple gets 30% of all apps they sell in the app store. Not certain if it's the same for music, but it's certainly the case for e-books.
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And what I'm saying is that the 30% they get is a tiny sliver of their total revenue. Apple's app/music/ebook/movie sales are not there to make them big bucks.

It does generate profit, but compared to their hardware sales, it's practically irrelevant.
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