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Old 09-21-2012, 12:18 PM   #181
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Any more news on this? I'm about to move into a new place and would love to have one for my bedroom tv.
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Old 09-21-2012, 01:46 PM   #182
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Suppose to be released this "fall". That could mean any time between now and Christmas. And that's just an estimate so they could push it further if it's not ready. (TiVo has been known to miss target dates in the past)

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Old 09-21-2012, 02:03 PM   #183
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Suppose to be released this "fall". That could mean any time between now and Christmas. And that's just an estimate so they could push it further if it's not ready. (TiVo has been known to miss target dates in the past)

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It's probably very much like the Stream. The hardware is ready for release. The quality of the software is the big unknown when they decide to launch. I expect we will see it well before Black Friday.
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:07 PM   #184
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It's probably very much like the Stream. The hardware is ready for release. The quality of the software is the big unknown when they decide to launch. I expect we will see it well before Black Friday.
I agree with that. I think we will see a update with the software here which is the reason we havent seen it yet
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:08 PM   #185
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It might also be an issue where it needs the next update for it to work as advertised so they might be waiting for the software update to rollout.

It would make some sense since we know the next update adds the HD screen for remote My Shows which the Stream would use primarily.
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:31 PM   #186
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It might also be an issue where it needs the next update for it to work as advertised so they might be waiting for the software update to rollout.

It would make some sense since we know the next update adds the HD screen for remote My Shows which the Stream would use primarily.
I am just praying for a Unified playlist between the boxes
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:44 PM   #187
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I am just praying for a Unified playlist between the boxes
My magic 8 ball says no.

Unfortunately I don't see that happening any time soon if ever. While there are potential issues like how you handle duplicates, I also get the impression it would take some major changes to how TiVo works.

As far as duplicates there are multiple ways that could be addressed such as assigning a number or letter to each TiVo and having that alphanumeric character show up in the status circle. The issue is it needs to be clear and consistent. Of course some of this could also be handled by user profiles.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it also, but I don't think this was ever planned so it seems like it would be tough to implement after the fact.
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:02 PM   #188
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My magic 8 ball says no.

Unfortunately I don't see that happening any time soon if ever. While there are potential issues like how you handle duplicates, I also get the impression it would take some major changes to how TiVo works.

As far as duplicates there are multiple ways that could be addressed such as assigning a number or letter to each TiVo and having that alphanumeric character show up in the status circle. The issue is it needs to be clear and consistent. Of course some of this could also be handled by user profiles.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it also, but I don't think this was ever planned so it seems like it would be tough to implement after the fact.
I would not think it would be that hard... Direct TV has had it for almost 4 years now on there ****ty software. Duplicates were just listed twice. Would just be so much easier... even more so with the mini, to just hit my shows and see your shows folders across all DVR's.. Instead of having to go into each box to find a show I have tweeted Margret several times about it with no response. Normally she responds with a she will pass it along so i am hoping the silence means it may be coming
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:26 PM   #189
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I would not think it would be that hard... Direct TV has had it for almost 4 years now on there ****ty software. Duplicates were just listed twice. Would just be so much easier... even more so with the mini, to just hit my shows and see your shows folders across all DVR's.. Instead of having to go into each box to find a show I have tweeted Margret several times about it with no response. Normally she responds with a she will pass it along so i am hoping the silence means it may be coming
DirecTV may have planned it in advance so it was slowly built into the product. Also DirecTV had streaming a lot earlier long before they had anything with more than two tuners. As a result it was a goal for them to incorporate it this way. Also for all we know it was a ReplayTV patent and as a result TiVo would have to find a way around it or license it.
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:29 PM   #190
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Easy to say, hard to do.

I think we should not expect an integrated list as Tivo seems to be moving towards a primary unit with more tuners and interconnected clients. That reduces the need for that kind of complex programming, becoming throw-away code.
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:41 PM   #191
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Easy to say, hard to do.

I think we should not expect an integrated list as Tivo seems to be moving towards a primary unit with more tuners and interconnected clients. That reduces the need for that kind of complex programming, becoming throw-away code.
True... But unless the software changes that would still suck. That would mean if you have a Mini, and you open My Shows it will only show you the name of the DVR, which you then have to open to stream a show. That or the Mini has different software and your shows populate on the mini.. Which would still mean a unified playlist could work
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True... But unless the software changes that would still suck. That would mean if you have a Mini, and you open My Shows it will only show you the name of the DVR, which you then have to open to stream a show. That or the Mini has different software and your shows populate on the mini.. Which would still mean a unified playlist could work
This might be why they require a XL4/Elite to be paired right now. As a result you by default see the My Shows from the XL4/Elite and live TV. Then you browse down to the other TiVos.
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:05 PM   #193
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This might be why they require a XL4/Elite to be paired right now. As a result you by default see the My Shows from the XL4/Elite and live TV. Then you browse down to the other TiVos.
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Old 09-21-2012, 06:23 PM   #194
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2. Making it harder to intercept the content.
SSL has been available a Real Long Time Now. What's the point of MOCA?

I find this paranoia about content copying abysmally stupid. I can already copy everything that's on the disk. Even if that wasn't already encrypted, what sort of pinhead thinks you have to transfer video in cleartext over the wire?

The same goes for, say, the no-copy flag. Why the heck do you care which TiVo has the copy, so long as it's the only copy? The original TiVo that recorded it is in no way special, so why prevent transfers of no-copy flagged shows? It massively screws up provisioning new TiVos, and along with the bizarre refusal of TiVo to write software that autoconfigures a new TiVo from an old one makes the decision to upgrade (and send TiVo much needed revenue) much harder.
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SSL has been available a Real Long Time Now. What's the point of MOCA?

I find this paranoia about content copying abysmally stupid. I can already copy everything that's on the disk. Even if that wasn't already encrypted, what sort of pinhead thinks you have to transfer video in cleartext over the wire?

The same goes for, say, the no-copy flag. Why the heck do you care which TiVo has the copy, so long as it's the only copy? The original TiVo that recorded it is in no way special, so why prevent transfers of no-copy flagged shows? It massively screws up provisioning new TiVos, and along with the bizarre refusal of TiVo to write software that autoconfigures a new TiVo from an old one makes the decision to upgrade (and send TiVo much needed revenue) much harder.
I think this copy stuff is about letting TiVo use cable cards (and not getting the MSO angry ), I don't think TiVo would care about coping if the decision was only up to TiVo.
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:47 PM   #196
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I am just praying for a Unified playlist between the boxes
What do you mean by a unified playlist? As in, see the same shows on both boxes? I don't see why it would work any other way.
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I think this copy stuff is about letting TiVo use cable cards (and not getting the MSO angry ), I don't think TiVo would care about coping if the decision was only up to TiVo.
Yeah, but the cablecos aren't rational about it. You can stream a no-copy show, but not do a copy to B/delete from A for it. They worry about wire interception when sending video over the wire exposes nothing that isn't exposed in a fraction of the effort by pulling the drive. I could go on.
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:51 AM   #198
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What do you mean by a unified playlist? As in, see the same shows on both boxes? I don't see why it would work any other way.
The whole things sounds very simple to me. The only recording would be done on the xl4 or whatever they call it today, the minis would be able to view live Tv or recordings streamed from the main box. The mini would be able to schedule recordings on the main box and view the main play list. Seems one playlist would be a given. But IMO the main box should have six tuners.
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:41 AM   #199
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Easy to say, hard to do.

I think we should not expect an integrated list as Tivo seems to be moving towards a primary unit with more tuners and interconnected clients. That reduces the need for that kind of complex programming, becoming throw-away code.
ReplayTV did it 10 years ago, but Tivo is incapable of simply making a complete HDUI that performs as expected. Therefore I agree - for Tivo, this would be hard to do.
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What do you mean by a unified playlist? As in, see the same shows on both boxes? I don't see why it would work any other way.
Basically the way it should work(like it does with Direct TV) When you open my shows instead of just seeing the recordings on that box, plus seeing the other DVR which you then have to select to browse the shows, it would automatically show all shows from all DVR's it sees on the first screen. If there are duplicates, it justs groups them together in a folder and shows both shows. it is useful for people like me who have season passes spread over multiple Tivo's
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Basically the way it should work(like it does with Direct TV) When you open my shows instead of just seeing the recordings on that box, plus seeing the other DVR which you then have to select to browse the shows, it would automatically show all shows from all DVR's it sees on the first screen. If there are duplicates, it justs groups them together in a folder and shows both shows. it is useful for people like me who have season passes spread over multiple Tivo's
Does that actually work well? Currently looking on one Elite, the number of shows in the list is pretty big. If I add my other Elite to the list plus my two tuner Premiere, the list of my shows would be gigantic.
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Does that actually work well? Currently looking on one Elite, the number of shows in the list is pretty big. If I add my other Elite to the list plus my two tuner Premiere, the list of my shows would be gigantic.
It worked Great actually. I dont know if the software constantly polled the other boxes but pressing List on the remote would bring everything up seamless. While there software overall was slow as ****, this really did act like everything was on the one unit, not spread over several DVR's
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ReplayTV did it 10 years ago, but Tivo is incapable of simply making a complete HDUI that performs as expected. Therefore I agree - for Tivo, this would be hard to do.
Again this is probably patented by ReplayTV which is why DirecTV is now able to do it.

Does any other company offer this? I can't think of one.
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There is no way that patent is still valid
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There is no way that patent is still valid
Why? The TiVo patents are still valid from the same time frame.

Again I don't know of another company that has even tried to do it so assuming there is even a patent it probably hasn't been challenged.
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The same goes for, say, the no-copy flag. Why the heck do you care which TiVo has the copy, so long as it's the only copy? The original TiVo that recorded it is in no way special, so why prevent transfers of no-copy flagged shows? It massively screws up provisioning new TiVos, and along with the bizarre refusal of TiVo to write software that autoconfigures a new TiVo from an old one makes the decision to upgrade (and send TiVo much needed revenue) much harder.
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Yeah, but the cablecos aren't rational about it. You can stream a no-copy show, but not do a copy to B/delete from A for it. They worry about wire interception when sending video over the wire exposes nothing that isn't exposed in a fraction of the effort by pulling the drive. I could go on.
This is yet another shortcoming of tivo's programmers (well really the management that tells the programmers what to do)

the cable rules explicitly ALLOW tivo (or anyone) to MOVE the file from one place to another. The software just has to make the original unusable before it allows the copy to be usable. It's been that way since the day the S3 came out. Tivo just choose to put it's head in the sand and ignore implementing that feature since they see streaming as the be all end all of the copy protection issue.

PS- not to agree with the stupid copy protection nonsense at all- just point out some of the grief from the stupid rules is because of choices tivo made.
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Again this is probably patented by ReplayTV which is why DirecTV is now able to do it.

Does any other company offer this? I can't think of one.

does anyone know if tivo and replays' cross licensing agreement (wasn't there one that ended their lawsuits against each other?)- covered ALL patents or just some?

if it was all then TiVo cold do it too.
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Why? The TiVo patents are still valid from the same time frame.
Are they? That seems like a long time too... the big two being "thumbs up/down" and "automatic recording of suggestions". They have been doing this since the start, and aren't patents just 7 years?
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does anyone know if tivo and replays' cross licensing agreement (wasn't there one that ended their lawsuits against each other?)- covered ALL patents or just some?

if it was all then TiVo cold do it too.
No, there was never a cross licensing agreement. The companies just mutually agreed to drop their suits.

There's also no reason to think that ReplayTV had a patent on a consolidated Now Playing list. They have only three patents that show up on a search and none of them have anything to do with that.
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Basically the way it should work(like it does with Direct TV) When you open my shows instead of just seeing the recordings on that box, plus seeing the other DVR which you then have to select to browse the shows, it would automatically show all shows from all DVR's it sees on the first screen. If there are duplicates, it justs groups them together in a folder and shows both shows. it is useful for people like me who have season passes spread over multiple Tivo's
TiVo updated their Suggestion survey so it might be worth it to fill out the form again assuming you have before.

http://research.tivo.com/suggestions/
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