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Old 03-04-2013, 10:50 PM   #1501
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Yikes, I realized after what I said about my AMD I was thinking transcoding, not decoding. My bad.... getting older sucks
Yeah, that would explain it. When you transcode you are also performing an encode, and all the codecs we are are talking about tend to be asymmetric in practice (encoding takes more horsepower than decoding). Plus I am betting you are decoding mpeg2 and encoding h.264, which is also a substantial complexity increase.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:14 PM   #1502
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I received an e-mail from TiVo today with this headline:

" Don’t miss out! Save up to $230 on TiVo Bundle "

I open it to find it's a Stream bundle. WTF?
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:29 AM   #1503
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Wow, that's pretty surprising. Imagine what a deal with a tier 1 MSO would be like! Although they would have to heavily customize it for the MSO.

I can't make any sense of those numbers, except for the revenue numbers. That's pretty impressive. Are those MSOs using TiVo as their only DVR solution, or is TiVo competing against Motorola and Sci Atlanta?
Yes. TiVo is the exclusive advanced television solution provider for all of them.

Agreed on Tier 1s. They tend to want a lot more customization. TiVo does have a deal with Charter Communications (4 million subscribers) but as you probably know they are heading down a different, more customized, "cloud-driven" path. What comes out of their TiVo agreement is anyone's guess - it likely will start with some sort of tablet/companion app that is a variant of the TiVo iOS app.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:28 PM   #1504
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Sam, what is your estimate of canibilization/churn as a result of the Mini? How many Premiere subs will be lost due to new Mini subs?
It will expand the overall TiVo subscriber base, as there are a lot of people out there with 3-5 TV's who won't buy 3-5 Premieres, but will buy a Premiere or two and some Minis, especially when they get dynamic tuner allocation and support 9 Minis.

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The iPad 4 absolutely has enough horse power to decode MPEG2 at 1080P in software, it just would suck for battery consumption.
That makes more sense... all about those license fees. So basically if you play an MPEG-2 file back on an iPad, you're just going to end up with a hot, dead iPad?

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Pretty much all HD boxes support H.264, a lot of the older SD boxes do not. Until they replace all their deployed equipment with boxes capable of decoding H.264 they can not convert the majority of the channels. In either case the TiVo Premiere, and presumably the Mini, support H.264 already. So if your cable company makes the switch it will be seamless to you.
Comcast has a fleet of MPEG-2 only boxes, like the DCT 64XX series. Yes, they are ancient tanks and some of them don't have HDMI, but they are still out there. It wouldn't be that hard to replace them, however, with a slow phase-out of MPEG-2 HD. If they pre-announced it, and then did a few channels at a time, people would trickle in to get new boxes, and they could free up bandwidth for better HD quality and more channels. But that's way too advanced for Comcast! They could do 9.5mbps MPEG-4 (4 per QAM), and it would be gorgeous, way better than the 12mbps triple-channeled MPEG-2 they do now.

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Yes. TiVo is the exclusive advanced television solution provider for all of them.

Agreed on Tier 1s. They tend to want a lot more customization. TiVo does have a deal with Charter Communications (4 million subscribers) but as you probably know they are heading down a different, more customized, "cloud-driven" path. What comes out of their TiVo agreement is anyone's guess - it likely will start with some sort of tablet/companion app that is a variant of the TiVo iOS app.
That's how they're getting those numbers on the smaller providers. If they had a lower-cost option, TiVo wouldn't do nearly as well. It's ultimately good for the customers though, as people probably don't realize how much better TiVo is until they use it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:39 PM   #1505
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Is virgin Media getting the Mini? That is until Liberty dumps TiVo ala directv for their in house DVR.
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Old 03-05-2013, 07:51 PM   #1506
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Is virgin Media getting the Mini? That is until Liberty dumps TiVo ala directv for their in house DVR.
Pretty sure this is an NTSC, US-Centric device.
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Old 03-05-2013, 08:22 PM   #1507
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Pretty sure this is an NTSC, US-Centric device.
The Mini doesn't contain a tuner afaik.
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Old 03-05-2013, 08:40 PM   #1508
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Pretty sure this is an NTSC, US-Centric device.
As far as plugging a box into a TV goes, back in the analog days NTSC vs PAL vs SECAM mattered. All that is long gone with HD and digital, HDMI is HDMI. The broadcast encoding is different between the US and Europe (which is now ATSC in the US), but it does not actually leak in through the untuned video inputs any more.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:02 PM   #1509
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So it's March 6th.....(holds out hand) Tivo Mini please
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:07 PM   #1510
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So it's March 6th.....(holds out hand) Tivo Mini please
It's 9PM Pacific Time, March 5th, in Cali which is where TiVo is located. I think that "March 6th" for them probably would mean sometime in the next 10-18 hours.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:11 PM   #1511
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I could see a press release 9 AM PST. My gut says it will be direct from TiVo only initially so they will wait till morning.

I could also see them delaying it a day to screw with Zatz.
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Old 03-06-2013, 02:05 AM   #1512
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Past midnight in California. No sign of the Mini
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:23 AM   #1513
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Past midnight in California. No sign of the Mini
Product launch press releases are not generally issued in the middle of the night. That said, it's now 2 minutes before the stock market opens and......still nothing. I can see an announcement happening anytime during business hours today though.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:25 AM   #1514
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Product launch press releases are not generally issued in the middle of the night. That said, it's now 2 minutes before the stock market opens and......still nothing. I can see an announcement happening anytime during business hours today though.
Actually, TiVo has a history of midnight embargos... And, for comparison, the Roku 3 was announced at 9PM EST yesterday.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:32 AM   #1515
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Actually, TiVo has a history of midnight embargos... And, for comparison, the Roku 3 was announced at 9PM EST yesterday.
Did not know that. Getting a little worried now - but notice tivo.com is loading pages awfully slow this morning so maybe something's up.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:18 AM   #1516
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Did not know that. Getting a little worried now - but notice tivo.com is loading pages awfully slow this morning so maybe something's up.
Yeah, everybody going to the page to see if its on sale yet is the reason why its running slow.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:44 AM   #1517
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It appears that the TiVo mini will only work if there is a four-tuner TiVo in the home. All I currently have is a Premiere two-tuner for which I paid $500 (lifetime service).

Does TiVo have future plans to make the mini compatible with two-tuner TiVos? I really want a mini for my bedroom TV, but not badly enough to replace the TiVo. :-)

I had heard somewhere that TiVo is working on making the mini not even tie up one tuner on the master unit.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:57 AM   #1518
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Actually, TiVo has a history of midnight embargos... And, for comparison, the Roku 3 was announced at 9PM EST yesterday.
Yep. I'm guessing midnight tonight.
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Old 03-06-2013, 10:23 AM   #1519
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Looks like the mini does not live (today at least). It amazes me how long it's taken them to develop a thin client. It really isn't that much work, especially when the core software functionality already exists on a similar platform just with no local storage. This thing was announced for release what, a year ago?
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Old 03-06-2013, 11:10 AM   #1520
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Yeah, everybody going to the page to see if its on sale yet is the reason why its running slow.
Yeah, kind of wondered the same thing after I wrote it. It seems to be loading much faster now that everybody has probably given up for the day!
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Old 03-06-2013, 11:23 AM   #1521
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I've got TWC and a home with 5 tvs. One is on an HD TiVo, one is on a cable box, the other 3 are plugged into the wall. I was waiting for the mini and thinking of adding an xl4 to the living room, putting the HD in the master bedroom, and eventually putting 3 minis on the other sets. But now the Roku 3 has a TWC channel and I'm thinking really hard about keeping the Hd TiVo and just adding Roku 3 to the other tvs. Would I really be missing anything with this setup? Obviously, I couldn't watch my recorded shows everywhere, but I tend to watch those in the living room only and only watch live tv on the other sets.
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Old 03-06-2013, 12:14 PM   #1522
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Still nothing 13:20EST

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Old 03-06-2013, 12:17 PM   #1523
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I think I know the problem. This is Tivo, so they must have meant March 6th 2014.
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Old 03-06-2013, 12:25 PM   #1524
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Well we based all this hype on info provided by one person. Apparently (s)he was wrong or TiVo changed their plans. In any case the fact that it's listed on the beta site, and that it was briefly listed on the main site, indicates that it is very close. Maybe tomorrow, maybe next week, but if it's not at least released this month I'd be very surprised.
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Old 03-06-2013, 12:27 PM   #1525
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I don't know what's more ridiculous right now, the fact that they haven't put this thing on sale yet, or the fact that I actually believed that they were going to put this thing on sale today.
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:30 PM   #1526
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Well we based all this hype on info provided by one person. Apparently (s)he was wrong or TiVo changed their plans.
I also attended the online dealer meeting for the Mini. This is legitimate, coming from TiVo.

All TiVo dealers were notified about the Mini March 6 release date.
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I also attended the online dealer meeting for the Mini. This is legitimate, coming from TiVo.

All TiVo dealers were notified about the Mini March 6 release date.
Then I would imagine that at least a couple of you guys have contacts at TiVo who could be interrogated on what happened to the promised March 6th release.


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I don't know what's more ridiculous right now, the fact that they haven't put this thing on sale yet, or the fact that I actually believed that they were going to put this thing on sale today.
This is what happens when you have rampant speculation, TiVo never said when the Mini was going to be released, so giving TiVo bad rap for not releasing something they never said they were going to release is not sensible. One poster said it would be released today and many of you think TiVo took a full page ad out in the New York Times saying that on March 6 they would release the Mini.
People are also carping on the price (a guess also), the same thing happened when in Sept of 2006 the first Series 3 was announced at $800, don't like the price (of any product) don't purchase.
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To keep posting about both of these things without any new confirmed information just clogged up this thread without providing anything useful, and if something useful was posted most people could not find it.
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Then I would imagine that at least a couple of you guys have contacts at TiVo who could be interrogated on what happened to the promised March 6th release.

I'll contact my rep tomorrow.
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odd that TiVo doesn't them on the site... our local best buy has them in stock and was going to put them out today apparently, but as of right now has not put them on the shelves yet
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