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Old 08-16-2012, 07:19 AM   #1
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TiVo Premiere 4 officially announced

TiVo Launches Four Tuner 'TiVo Premiere 4'

New Product Solves the Sunday Night TV Show Pile-Up and Allows Users
to Record Four Shows at One Time

ALVISO, CA -- (Marketwire) -- 08/16/12 -- TiVo Inc. (NASDAQ: TIVO),
the creator of and leader in advanced television services including
digital video recorders (DVRs), today announced the launch of its
TiVo(R) Premiere 4, a set-top box designed to solve program
scheduling conflicts and allow families to record all of their
favorite shows, while simultaneously serving as the hub to a TiVo
whole home-setup. With four digital tuners to record four programs
simultaneously, up to 75 hours of HD recording space and access to a
massive library of web-delivered entertainment, the TiVo Premiere 4
is the ideal DVR for any household of TV enthusiasts.

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TiVo Premiere 4 Specifications

-- TiVo Series4(TM) architecture
-- Intended for use with digital cable systems only and does not work
with analog cable or over-the-air antennas
-- Supports digital cable (QAM only), and Verizon FiOS(R)
-- Outputs: HDMI, Component video, Composite video, Optical audio, Analog
audio
-- Video output modes include: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
-- Inputs: CableCARD(TM) support, Cable coax, Ethernet connection, two
USB 2.0 ports, eSATA, MoCA
-- Audio: Dolby 5.1
-- Additional support for USB 2.0 (2 ports), eSATA for external recording
space, TiVo Wireless N or G Network Adapter
-- 500 GB of recording space for up to 75 hours of recorded HD
programming
-- Dimensions: 16.5" x 9.7" x 2.4"
-- Weight: 6.64 pounds

Also looks like the Premiere XL may be discontinued. Check out http://www.tivo.com/p4
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:05 AM   #2
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Yes looks like the "current" Premiere lineup is now:
  1. Premiere $150: Dual OTA/Cable Analog/Digital Tuners 500GB hd standard remote
  2. Premiere 4 $250: quad digital cable tuner 500GB HD, standard remote
  3. Premiere 4XL $399: quad digital cable tuner 2TB HD, THX & Glo remote

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Old 08-16-2012, 08:12 AM   #3
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They still don't qualify 1080P by putting 1080P24 down. When a device is listed as supporting 1080P, it typically means it supports 1080P60 output.
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:19 AM   #4
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$250 is a pretty darn good price too.
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:30 AM   #5
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I am still under contract for a Premier ..

will tivo allow me to upgrade the equipment and ride out the year..

Or do I have to wait ...till contract is over and start fresh

If I want one..???

thanks for any input
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:34 AM   #6
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I see $250 is based on a subscription plan. but pricing with no monthly obligation is available by calling tivo. has anyone done that and to find out how much it would cost? i would like to just use a existing sub and transfer it to this new model.
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:43 AM   #7
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You are asking to move lifetime to a new P-4? Not gonna happen.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:20 AM   #8
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I'm surprised, albeit not greatly, that there is no integrated OTA tuner. Anyone have a guess on whether there'll be a version of the P4 in the near future that includes that?
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:33 AM   #9
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So is the Premiere XL 1TB model now discontinued? I do not see it list at TiVo.com.

Yep, it is in the Clearance section: https://www3.tivo.com/store/clearance.do
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:39 AM   #10
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So is the Premiere XL 1TB model now discontinued? I do not see it list at TiVo.com.

I don't see it either. The Premiere 4 is priced the same as the Premiere XL was.

I wonder if the Premiere 4 uses a little less power than the XL4?
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:42 AM   #11
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Both the Premiere and Premiere 4 are currently $12.99/mo w/o MSD

https://www3.tivo.com/store/premiere-4.do

Edit: looks like only the Premiere 4

2nd Edit: TiVo fixed the error.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:44 AM   #12
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Do you think Comer's drive upgrade tool would work on the Premiere 4? With drive prices still around $120 it's not much of a savings over the XL4. But if drive prices fall back to where they were before the flooding, it could be a good opportunity to save $50-$70.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:47 AM   #13
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Both the Premiere and Premiere 4 are currently $12.99/mo w/o MSD

https://www3.tivo.com/store/premiere-4.do

Edit: looks like only the Premiere 4
I think it's a mistake. They'll probably fix it soon.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:47 AM   #14
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You can usually find the XL4 on sale for $350, so for the extra $100, I would get the XL4, You get the Glo Remote too which has a much better feel than the regular remote.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:48 AM   #15
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If I were to get a four tuner Premiere now, I would get the Premiere 4 and just upgrade the drive. With a 10% coupon at BestBuy that would bring the price down a little. I paid $450 for my launch Elite and $350 for my Elite just prior to the Xl4 launch.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:53 AM   #16
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I don't see the WD20EURS coming back down to much below $100 anytime soon, so the XL4 makes the most sense IMO.

Besides, with the 4 Tuner Premieres, I would want the 3yr ext warranty which would be voided by upgrading the drive.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:10 AM   #17
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...I would want the 3yr ext warranty which would be voided by upgrading the drive.
TiVo can't legally void a warranty because you upgraded a drive. The only way they could do that is if the drive upgrade itself was the source of the failure.

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Old 08-16-2012, 11:18 AM   #18
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I'm surprised, albeit not greatly, that there is no integrated OTA tuner. Anyone have a guess on whether there'll be a version of the P4 in the near future that includes that?
Nope. The days of a built-in OTA tuner are history.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:20 AM   #19
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TiVo can't legally void a warranty because you upgraded a drive. The only way they could do that is if the drive upgrade itself was the source of the failure.

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ummm.. Yes they can
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TiVo can't legally void a warranty because you upgraded a drive. The only way they could do that is if the drive upgrade itself was the source of the failure.

-Keith
Have you read the Ext Warranty Contract?
Have you ever had any Ext Warranty Contract cancelled for no reason at all? I have.

8. LIMITATIONS OF COVERAGE This Contract Does Not Cover.
A. Any equipment located outside the United States.
B. Service or replacement required as a result of any alteration of the equipment, or
repairs made by anyone other than a participating servicing dealer, an authorized
service provider, its agents, distributors, contractors or licensees, or the use of supplies
other than those recommended by the manufacturer.
C. Damage or other equipment failure due to the failure to maintain the equipment
according to the owner’s manual instructions (except accidental damage from handling
claims), abuse, vandalism, theft, fire, flood, wind, freezing, power failure, inadequate
power supply, unusual atmospheric conditions. acts of war, acts of God or other force
majeure events.
D. Service or replacement necessary because of improper storage, improper ventilation,
reconfiguration of equipment, or the failure to place the equipment in an area that
complies with the manufacturer’s published space or environmental requirements.
E. Any utilization of equipment that is inconsistent with either the design of the
equipment or the way the manufacturer intended the equipment to be used. Any and
all cases in which the manufacturer of the equipment would not honor any warranty
regarding the equipment.
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(wear out) during the life of the Product, regardless if it is consumer replaceable or not.
J. Pre-existing conditions (incurred prior to the effective date of coverage) known to
You.
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mechanical failure covered by manufacturer’s recall, manufacturer’s warranty extension,
or factory bulletins, (regardless of whether or not the manufacturer is doing business
as an ongoing enterprise).
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part of the covered equipment, or damages as a result of any repairs or replacements
under this agreement Damages caused by delays in rendering service or loss of use
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:28 AM   #21
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TiVo can't legally void a warranty because you upgraded a drive. The only way they could do that is if the drive upgrade itself was the source of the failure.

-Keith
They can and do. "Please note that removing the cover of the DVR for any reason voids the warranty."

http://www.tivo.com/buytivo/dvrlimitedwarranty.html

This is not a laptop or desktop computer where a consumer could reasonably expect to replace or upgrade parts without voiding the warranty. Yes, plenty of people can and do upgrade their hard drives. I have no idea of whether TiVo is strict about this clause or not, but they certainly could be.
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Have you read the Ext Warranty Contract?

8. LIMITATIONS OF COVERAGE This Contract Does Not Cover.
T. Damage or failure caused by bodily fluids, including but not limited to urine and
vomit.
I would love to hear the repair requests that came in which prompted the addition of 8.T.!
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You can usually find the XL4 on sale for $350, so for the extra $100, I would get the XL4, You get the Glo Remote too which has a much better feel than the regular remote.
With recent Woot deal I got my Elite for $300. I would expect price to come down below $200 range on Amazon or equivalent not too long from now.
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With recent Woot deal I got my Elite for $300. I would expect price to come down below $200 range on Amazon or equivalent not too long from now.
Lucky you they didn't cancel your order. I'm seriously considering the 4 instead now.
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I would love to hear the repair requests that came in which prompted the addition of 8.T.!
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OK, so it's clear to me that major difference between the Premiere and the new Premiere 4 is in the number and type of tuners. But for the extra $100, what else changes? Can anyone summarize? Does it have a faster interface? Faster streaming? Is the Premiere end-of-line for software upgrades? Is it easier to replace the hard drive in one versus the other?

I'm considering giving one as a wedding gift and I don't want to go with a Premiere and later think, "if only I had spent an extra $100...." (No, I'm not moving up to the top-of-the-line XL4!)
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All the Premieres have the same processor and memory. If anything the four tuner versions can be slighlty slower because of the extra overhead of constantly buffering four tuners instead of two.

I'm still hoping they announce something for the IP STB soon. Now that they have two, four tuner, models available.

I'm already down to three TiVos. I haven't used so few TiVos since the early 2000's.
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OK, so it's clear to me that major difference between the Premiere and the new Premiere 4 is in the number and type of tuners. But for the extra $100, what else changes? Can anyone summarize? Does it have a faster interface? Faster streaming? Is the Premiere end-of-line for software upgrades? Is it easier to replace the hard drive in one versus the other?

I'm considering giving one as a wedding gift and I don't want to go with a Premiere and later think, "if only I had spent an extra $100...." (No, I'm not moving up to the top-of-the-line XL4!)
One of the biggest difference is the Premiere 4 only works with digital cable, while the Premiere works with analog/digital Cable and analog/digital OTA. If you are certain that the TiVo will be used for digital cable only then the extra 2 tuners certainly out ways the extra $100 cost in my mind.
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So is the Premiere XL 1TB model now discontinued?
Correct.
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So is the Premiere XL 1TB model now discontinued? I do not see it list at TiVo.com.

Yep, it is in the Clearance section: https://www3.tivo.com/store/clearance.do
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Correct.
That's too bad...

I think a good move would have been to bump the Premiere XL to 2TB and keep the price at $250, that would eliminate the need for most to do their own HDD upgrade.
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