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Old 08-15-2012, 11:38 AM   #151
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Until Todd killed the boy, I was thinking he might be an undercover agent.

boy, was I wrong!
If he was an undercover agent, they would have already had enough evidence to arrest Walt, Jesse and Mike after the first cook. All they had to do is raid that first house mid-cook and it's "game over".
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:58 AM   #152
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If he was an undercover agent, they would have already had enough evidence to arrest Walt, Jesse and Mike after the first cook. All they had to do is raid that first house mid-cook and it's "game over".
sure, but how does Todd know that the conspiracy stops at Walt? Up to this point, as far as he knows, he just knows the 3 front men who cook and do security.
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:01 PM   #153
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sure, but how does Todd know that the conspiracy stops at Walt? Up to this point, as far as he knows, he just knows the 3 front men who cook and do security.
It's still enough to arrest them and get them into custody and get them to talk.

I can't see the DEA letting a known meth lab continue to operate.

And once they arrest Walt and find the blue meth, Hank would put it all together so quickly to link him to Gus, et al.
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It's still enough to arrest them and get them into custody and get them to talk.

I can't see the DEA letting a known meth lab continue to operate.

And once they arrest Walt and find the blue meth, Hank would put it all together so quickly to link him to Gus, et al.
um...Hank...I was clearly wrong about Todd being an undercover agent
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:08 PM   #155
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um...Hank...I was clearly wrong about Todd being an undercover agent
Right, but it was obvious to me after the first cook that he wasn't an threat (in that way). But you said it took him to kill the boy to conclude he wasn't undercover. Heck, if he was undercover and going through the (not seen) training for the train robbery, don't you think he'd have them arrested BEFORE the train robbery and before anyone potentially could get hurt?
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It's still enough to arrest them and get them into custody and get them to talk.

I can't see the DEA letting a known meth lab continue to operate.

And once they arrest Walt and find the blue meth, Hank would put it all together so quickly to link him to Gus, et al.
Of course it would be enough to arrest them. But that's not usually how undercover operations work. They don't blow their cover at the first sign of criminal activity. They continue to observe and gather evidence and see how high up the food chain they can go.
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:10 PM   #157
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Right, but it was obvious to me after the first cook that he wasn't an threat (in that way). But you said it took him to kill the boy to conclude he wasn't undercover. Heck, if he was undercover and going through the (not seen) training for the train robbery, don't you think he'd have them arrested BEFORE the train robbery and before anyone potentially could get hurt?
Maybe he was an undercover railroad cop.
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:18 PM   #158
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Right, but it was obvious to me after the first cook that he wasn't an threat (in that way). But you said it took him to kill the boy to conclude he wasn't undercover. Heck, if he was undercover and going through the (not seen) training for the train robbery, don't you think he'd have them arrested BEFORE the train robbery and before anyone potentially could get hurt?
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:29 PM   #160
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Of course it would be enough to arrest them. But that's not usually how undercover operations work. They don't blow their cover at the first sign of criminal activity. They continue to observe and gather evidence and see how high up the food chain they can go.
Exactly...

Oh, and remember who you're discussing this with....
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:29 PM   #161
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Some people get their panties in a bunch about talking about what might happen in future episodes. I don't, but I've been chastised at for not spoilerizing such talk in the past.
If you're pulling it out of your butt based on what you've seen in the show, you're fine. If you're basing it on previews/articles/interviews with the cast or crew, you're not.
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:32 PM   #162
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graphic: by the numbers

the train robbery
Tank Capacity: 24,000 Gallons (equivalent of average home swimming pool)
Amount of Methylamine to be Stolen: 1,000 gallons
Replacement Water: 920 gallons
Yield: 74,000 lbs meth
Cash Equivalent: $296 million
Value of the 1963 Great Train Robbery: $58 million
http://www.amctv.com/shows/breaking-...on-5-episode-5
Just listening to the podcast for this episode. Supposedly there is a deleted scene where Walt is standing on the train bridge, waiting for the train to arrive, and he's pontificating about the greatest train heists in history and comparing his heists to those. He's basically having delusions of grandeur by saying that the value of the meth that will be cooked from this heist will be several times greater than the value (in today's dollars) of the biggest train heists in history.

Also, in their research with real train experts, the concept of dark territory is a real thing, and there are places along the train routes where they lose all communication. Supposedly the writers had never seen or heard of the Steven Seagal movie, Under Siege: Dark Territory, and they were actually thinking of calling this episode Dark Territory until they did a search on IMDb and found that movie.

Another interesting tidbit: They got the boxcars for the train delivered the day before the shoot, and as boxcars tend to be, they were covered with grafitti. Because the grafitti is the intellectual property of the various taggers, and because they could not locate the taggers and get their permission to use their art in the show, they had to repaint the train cars overnight.
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...Another interesting tidbit: They got the boxcars for the train delivered the day before the shoot, and as boxcars tend to be, they were covered with grafitti. Because the grafitti is the intellectual property of the various taggers, and because they could not locate the taggers and get their permission to use their art in the show, they had to repaint the train cars overnight.
I thought they looked oddly clean....
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:40 PM   #164
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So you can't use someone's intellectual property that was illegally painted onto your physical property, but you can destroy it. Interesting.
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So you can't use someone's intellectual property that was illegally painted onto your physical property, but you can destroy it. Interesting.
Not destroying....just covering it up........on YOUR property.
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:55 PM   #166
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Not destroying....just covering it up........on YOUR property.
since you can't "unpaint it" it is destroyed. Which you should have the right to do since it is on your property. I think if it's on my property I should also be able to use it, display it, alter it, sell it, etc.
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So you can't use someone's intellectual property that was illegally painted onto your physical property, but you can destroy it. Interesting.
If their art shows up in the show, and they didn't give their permission, they could sue and claim copyright infringement and seek damages. The likelihood of this happening in this case with grafitti is very remote, but movie and TV studios are very wary of this and therefore they have whole legal teams to "clear" every little thing that might make it into a shot.

For example, in an earlier podcast, they talked about the house they found that they're using as Lydia's house. It had lots of great art hanging on the walls that they would have loved to use. Unfortunately, they weren't able to clear it all, so they had to take down some of the homeowner's art and replace it with art that was cleared.
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:06 PM   #168
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If you're pulling it out of your butt based on what you've seen in the show, you're fine. If you're basing it on previews/articles/interviews with the cast or crew, you're not.
I agree totally, but I'm telling you, that Spoiler Nazis have blasted me for posting wild ass guesses as to what might happen in a future episode. So I now err on the safe (Nazi) side rather than risk another blast.
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:38 PM   #169
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I think this happened on Sons of Anarchy, but it could have been another show.

Location department found a great place to shoot, but a wall in the background had a lot of graffiti on it.
They had to whitewash the wall, then paint their own graffiti, then shoot the scene.

(why does the spelling of graffiti look so wrong? grafitti? graffitti?)

They do some behind the scenes stuff and post to YouTube.


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So you can't use someone's intellectual property that was illegally painted onto your physical property, but you can destroy it. Interesting.
I think it's more that in the event one of the taggers saw their work on TV, they could sue, but if they paint over it, the taggers have no clue their work has been destroyed since it's "mobile" anyway. That is, unless they planted a Garmin GPS device on them.

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Old 08-15-2012, 03:40 PM   #171
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Just listening to the podcast for this episode. Supposedly there is a deleted scene where Walt is standing on the train bridge, waiting for the train to arrive, and he's pontificating about the greatest train heists in history and comparing his heists to those. He's basically having delusions of grandeur by saying that the value of the meth that will be cooked from this heist will be several times greater than the value (in today's dollars) of the biggest train heists in history.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Story Sync

graphic: by the numbers

the train robbery
Tank Capacity: 24,000 Gallons (equivalent of average home swimming pool)
Amount of Methylamine to be Stolen: 1,000 gallons
Replacement Water: 920 gallons
Yield: 74,000 lbs meth
Cash Equivalent: $296 million
Value of the 1963 Great Train Robbery: $58 million
http://www.amctv.com/shows/breaking-...on-5-episode-5
$58,000,000 of 1963 dollars would be worth: $436,090,225.56 in 2012
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$58,000,000 of 1963 dollars would be worth: $436,090,225.56 in 2012
Is that $58 million in 1963 money or adjusted already?
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Old 08-15-2012, 03:49 PM   #173
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Is that $58 million in 1963 money or adjusted already?
The $58 million figure is already adjusted for inflation.

According to Wikipedia, the actual amount stolen in that heist in 1963 was £2.6 million.
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Concerning next week...

Spoiler:
I think they keep Todd to replace Mike. Clearly he has some street smarts and has no qualms about killing people. Besides just being a helping hand, something tells me that Todd knows a lot more about the meth/drug market/scene than they think.

I'd guess the hand is Lydia's.

I could see this happening especially with the previews showing Mike next week,
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Skiping over everything. Just finished watching. Just had to comment about my reaction.


DAMN!! Landry kills again!!!




Walt is getting way to greedy and power hungry. He is gonna get what is coming to him. It will not be pretty.
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:00 PM   #177
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Walt is getting way to greedy and power hungry. He is gonna get what is coming to him. It will not be pretty.
I think he just did!
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I think I just found the vanity license plate I've been searching for...

And it's even available... but for generic demonstration purposes:



If you don't get it (but I'm sure most of you do)...

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The spoiler didn't help me at all. I still don't get it.
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