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Old 08-13-2012, 07:51 PM   #91
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I could be remembering wrong, but here's my theory.

Walt said they were going for 900 gallons of methylblahblah.
Walt then did the math to figure how much water they'd need to get the weight of the tanker back to what it was.

They then made a point of showing the counter stopping at 1,000 gallons if not more, along with multiple shots of Mike trying to get them to stop pumping.

This will become a plot point when the tanker ends up at it's destination a couple hundred pounds under what it's supposed to be.


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I could be remembering wrong, but here's my theory.

Walt said they were going for 900 gallons of methylblahblah.
Walt then did the math to figure how much water they'd need to get the weight of the tanker back to what it was.

They then made a point of showing the counter stopping at 1,000 gallons if not more, along with multiple shots of Mike trying to get them to stop pumping.

This will become a plot point when the tanker ends up at it's destination a couple hundred pounds under what it's supposed to be.


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They were going to take 1,000 gallons of methylamine, and replace it with 934 (or some such exact number) gallons worth of water. Walt even accounted for spillage and what would be left in the hoses when he came up with the amount of water. They pulled off the switch exactly as they planed to.
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methylwhatamacallit is lighter than water so they wanted 1000 gallons of it and were replacing it with 900 something gallons of water.
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Old 08-13-2012, 08:34 PM   #95
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They were going to take 1,000 gallons of methylamine, and replace it with 934 (or some such exact number) gallons worth of water. Walt even accounted for spillage and what would be left in the hoses when he came up with the amount of water. They pulled off the switch exactly as they planed to.
So I was remembering it backwards.


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Old 08-13-2012, 08:48 PM   #96
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They were going to take 1,000 gallons of methylamine, and replace it with 934 (or some such exact number) gallons worth of water. Walt even accounted for spillage and what would be left in the hoses when he came up with the amount of water. They pulled off the switch exactly as they planed to.
924.something (3, I think) and he rounded it up to 925 to account for spillage and what's left in the hose (I think I remember that correctly - I'm sure someone will chime in to tell me I'm wrong.).
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:19 PM   #98
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Ok, I'll buy that Walt was waiting for the correct amount of methyl/water to be pumped in/out of the tanks instead of what I originally thought that Heisenberg was going for just filling the methlymine tank to capacity. That make more sense. I'm back to liking Walt better now,thanks!


I don't think anything will ever be found (on the show) relating to the hidden tanks or the diluted methlyamine.

Also, I suppose they could buy/borrow/steal their own tanker trunk to store the methlyamine locally so there's no evidence left in the desert. They can just drive it to the tent lab and draw only as much as they need instead of dragging a 55gal drum everywhere.

Also, I like the idea above about laying out extra hose in case the railcar was further away.
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:25 PM   #99
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:41 PM   #100
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... So if Hank is suddenly suspicious about Walt buying himself a $5,000 watch, that's unrealistic, IMO.
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I think we might be thinking too much about the watch by itself.
As I had originally suggested, the watch will be critical in connecting the dots between Jesse and Walt. Later. Hank does not (yet) have any suspicions about Walt. But the watch is distinctive, and they made a point of having Walt showing it to Hank and him commenting about it. Chekhov's gun. It was done for a reason, and it will become evident later in the show. Period.
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:48 PM   #101
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As I had originally suggested, the watch will be critical in connecting the dots between Jesse and Walt. Later. Hank does not (yet) have any suspicions about Walt. But the watch is distinctive, and they made a point of having Walt showing it to Hank and him commenting about it. Chekhov's gun. It was done for a reason, and it will become evident later in the show. Period.
I generally don't subscribe to suppositions like this, but they've called out the watch a few more times that makes it stand out, so yes I think the watch will play some minor part of Walt's downfall.
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Just watched the opening scene for the season premiere. Walt has no wedding band or watch, different glasses, hair and a full beard. I wonder if he faked his own death in order to return to ABQ and seek revenge on Mike?
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I'm not a chemist, nor well versed in physics, but if water is heavier than the methylamine, were they dealing in amounts small enough in ratio to the entire tanker car and in a small enough time frame, that they would not be diluting the methylamine they were taking from the bottom of the car by running water into the top of it at the same time?

And if they do leave the tanks there and draw from it as they need it, does the effect of the time over which they draw and the changing temperatures in that area of AZ (night versus day, etc.) have any real effect on the 'purity' or concentration of the methylamine? I can't imagine that stuff would 'spoil'?
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:17 PM   #104
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:42 PM   #105
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I'm not a chemist, nor well versed in physics, but if water is heavier than the methylamine, were they dealing in amounts small enough in ratio to the entire tanker car and in a small enough time frame, that they would not be diluting the methylamine they were taking from the bottom of the car by running water into the top of it at the same time?
It was a 24,000 gallon tanker, and they were putting in about 900 gallons of water, so even if the water did mix with the rest quickly enough to affect what they were drawing out, it would only be diluted around 4%. I'm sure Walt can deal with that in his recipe.
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:31 AM   #106
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I got the impression that the wheels were turning for Walt that Lydia could help solve the Mike problem rather than the other way around. She knows the 9. Plenty of Ricin to go around. And she's a critical part of the supply chain. Maybe he's now thinking Todd could be the new muscle. Walt seems to process new challenges quickly. So... Bummer, the kid is dead, what do I do now?
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Old 08-14-2012, 07:59 AM   #107
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Would Mike have just up and shot the kid like that? I wonder if Walt, Jessie and Mike even knew Todd had a gun. Walt does seem to process and adapt to new challenges quickly and I think Jessie is learning to also, but it shows itself in different ways.

Getting the stuff from the train was a great idea but I wonder if Lydia thought they could even really pull it off. Maybe she thought of it as a set up to get her off her back if they were caught.
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:17 AM   #108
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Getting the stuff from the train was a great idea but I wonder if Lydia thought they could even really pull it off. Maybe she thought of it as a set up to get her off her back if they were caught.
Lydia knows she is in deep, and implicated with these guys. She has been on the precipice a couple of times now, and has managed to talk her way out. But she has also tried to make people die, so she had "broken bad" before we first met her. I'd say that her fate is sealed, but who knows what twists are in store?
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:50 AM   #109
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That was another great episode. The whole train thing was awesome..

Does anyone get that feeling that Hank knows about Walt already?
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Old 08-14-2012, 09:59 AM   #110
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...Does anyone get that feeling that Hank knows about Walt already?
It's beginning to seem that way....his comments about "keeping" their daughter, etc...make it sound like he's becoming increasingly suspicious.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:13 AM   #111
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You can speculate about how closely the story arc will emulate Scarface and whether or not the version emulated will be the 1932 original (Chicago Mob) or the 1989 Brian DePalma remake (Cuban gangsters). But the main story arc in both has the main character gaining power at the cost of family, and then striking out against all his enemies in an over-the-top attack. It's one of the basic themes from The Godfather films, as well.

Buit I'm not speculating. I just like to have a new episode in the TiVo, and my remote in hand. I like the Dolby Digital sound we have been treated to lately, and the cinematography has been uniformly excellant. This is a well-crafted production, made from excellant scripts.

Just this week in the scene where Jesse is on the tracks after replacing the pipe cap, the surround sound had the train wheels sounding as if they were rolling through the room. If you don't have surround, you are missing part of the experience.
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That was another great episode. The whole train thing was awesome..

Does anyone get that feeling that Hank knows about Walt already?
Hmm, that's an interesting thought, but I'm thinking that if he did know, or even had some pretty strong suspicions, he would have confronted Walt. Maybe told him something like "Look, I'm not sure this is you, but if you know anything about blue meth, we're getting close. If you just stop, I'll make sure it dies out", or maybe even just started dropping hints that they're getting close.

I'm pretty sure it's going to happen at some point, but I don't think we're there yet.
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I don't think there is any way Hank compromises an investigation for Walt. Even if Walt was his blood brother my impression of Hank as a DEA agent is that he wouldn't like it, but he would follow the trail and not warn him.
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I watched the ep in two parts so by the time the ending rolled around I had completely and totally forgotten about the kid.

HOLY CRAP.

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If Hank doesn't warn him and busts him then his career is over. If he warns Walt then perhaps he saves his career. It will be interesting to see which way it goes as we all assume Hank will find out at some point. But who knows, maybe Hank stays in the dark until the very end.
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I don't think there is any way Hank compromises an investigation for Walt. Even if Walt was his blood brother my impression of Hank as a DEA agent is that he wouldn't like it, but he would follow the trail and not warn him.
I don't think Hank would do it for Walt, but I do think Hank would do it for Hank. If/when Walt is caught, whether it's by Hank or by anyone else, Hank's career is over. I can see Hank agreeing to some sort of deal where he will look the other way (maybe officially conclude that Heisenberg is dead) if Walt stops cooking/selling. I don't think Hank would like that at all, but it could be his best option.
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I found it interesting that the "Previously on AMC's Breaking Bad" made note of Hank saying they were working on putting a tail on Mike.

That didn't come up in the context of this episode, and the Previously On usually only deals with things that are specifically needed to understand the episode you are about to watch.
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Interesting. Much like I never watch previews for next week I also don't watch the "previously on" because often it can foretell too much of what's about to happen or at least which direction the episode is going to go.
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I don't see why the watch is such a big deal. It's not like we're talking about a $100,000 watch that there's no way Walt could realistically afford. I just looked it up and that watch costs about $4-5k. Sure, it's expensive. But Walt and Skylar just finished paying for a ton of Hank's medical bills. They just bought a million-dollar business. And Walt just bought himself and his son brand new cars. So if Hank is suddenly suspicious about Walt buying himself a $5,000 watch, that's unrealistic, IMO.
I think the watch stands out because it is a big purchase. Most people would consider a $5000 watch extravagent. Hank doesn't know about the medical bills and I don't know he knows how much the car wash was and the cars were explained as leases.
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I forget, when Walter and Skylar laid out that lie about Walter's "gambling problem", was it just a cover to help explain away the purchase of the car wash, or did they include that they were also helping to pay for Hank's medical bills too?
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