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Old 07-31-2012, 11:17 PM   #91
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The mules had possession of the money. They're not going to give that money to Mike so he can do a show-and-tell with Walt. They're going to want their 20% when the cash is in front of them.
Ah. Good point. That makes a lot more sense.
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They're only making about 1/4 of the product that they used to make for Fring; if they can get that back up then money should not be a big deal overall to them.
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oh, Mike did say 9 guys.

And, changing topics, loved how Walt threw Skyler under the bus with Maria!
That perturbed me. Skylar is again the bad guy and Walt gets off.
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That perturbed me. Skylar is again the bad guy and Walt gets off.
It's not like he technically lied.
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Ira's cut this time is 110+25= $135k, which is $45k per share.
yep. I woke up this morning thinking "the math works if it's not $25K each"

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Old 08-01-2012, 09:31 AM   #98
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He's really familiar. Has anyone IMDBd him?
Jesse Plemons. IMDB away.

His most famous role was Landry on 'Friday Night Lights.'
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That perturbed me. Skylar is again the bad guy and Walt gets off.
You know, that bit is good for both Walt and Skyler, because Skyler is in on the entire gambit, if Hank and/or Marie find out the truth, it's curtains for the White family. So while Skyler did take the fall, nothing Walt said was false, and it takes the heat from Marie off of them for a while so it's less likely for Marie to tip off Hank, and even the opposite, if Hank starts sensing something odd, Marie can explain that to Hank without Walt or Skyler getting involved.

As long as Walt tells Skyler what happened, so she can now play along.
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Got the breakdown:

All talk is "after Dealers' cut". So we don't know what the dealers' cut is.

Gross revenue after Dealers is $1,379,560

Mules get a flat 20% which gives them $367K each.

Ira gets $110K for his piece of the business plus $25K each per cook. So Ira gets $45K each. Those numbers don't add up so either I didn't understand or they made a mistake. Sounds to me like it will be $25K from now on; but it's not clear. I am sure about the $45K each.
Those numbers add up. Ira gets $110k plus $25k per cook. That's a total of $135k. Divide that by 3 and you get the $45k they each paid out. I'm thinking the $110k is a one-time expense.

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Ira's guys get $10K each per cook.

Saul gets $18K each per cook.

Hazard Pay is $117K each per cook.

Mike regarding the legacy/hazard pay: "This is how it's going to be from here on out. My guys are an ongoing expenditure".
Mike also said he was going to "make them whole" which implies to me that the cost will stop at some point. But assuming the 9 guys are each due $1 million and Mike is collecting $351,000 total from each cook (giving each of the 9 guys $39k per cook), it's going to take a while to make them whole (about 6 months with 1 cook per week).

So for this cook here are the numbers:

Gross after dealer's cut: $1,367,560
Mules: -$275,912
Gross after mules: $1,103,648 (rounded to $1,101,000)
Ira's "piece of the business": -$110,000
Ira's per cook cost: -$25,000
Ira's guys per cook (3 guys at $10k each): -$30,000
Saul's take: $54,000
Legacy cost: $351,000

Net after all costs: $531,000

Divided by 3, that's $177,000 each. Then Mike and Walt gave Jessie $40k each for fronting the money. That left Walt with the $137,000 he stated.

For ongoing cooks, I think the costs will be (assuming the same yield):
Gross after dealer's cut: $1,367,560
Mules: -$275,912
Gross after mules: $1,103,648 (rounded to $1,101,000)
Ira's per cook cost: -$25,000
Ira's guys per cook (3 guys at $10k each): -$30,000
Saul's take: $54,000
Legacy cost: $351,000
Methylamine: ??? (Mike said the first batch was free, but the next was going to cost big)

Net after all costs: $641,000 ($213,666.67 each, minus methylamine cost)

After Mike's guys are "made whole", they should be getting $330,666.67 each per cook (minus methylamine cost). That works out to a yearly income of $17,194,666.84 each (minus methylamine cost), assuming 1 cook per week. That's more than the $15 million per year he was getting under Fring.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:13 AM   #101
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His most famous role was Landry on 'Friday Night Lights.'
Thanks! I knew him from Bent.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:39 AM   #104
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Those numbers add up. Ira gets $110k plus $25k per cook. That's a total of $135k. Divide that by 3 and you get the $45k they each paid out. I'm thinking the $110k is a one-time expense.

Mike also said he was going to "make them whole" which implies to me that the cost will stop at some point. But assuming the 9 guys are each due $1 million and Mike is collecting $351,000 total from each cook (giving each of the 9 guys $39k per cook), it's going to take a while to make them whole (about 6 months with 1 cook per week).

So for this cook here are the numbers:

Gross after dealer's cut: $1,367,560
Mules: -$275,912
Gross after mules: $1,103,648 (rounded to $1,101,000)
Ira's "piece of the business": -$110,000
Ira's per cook cost: -$25,000
Ira's guys per cook (3 guys at $10k each): -$30,000
Saul's take: $54,000
Legacy cost: $351,000

Net after all costs: $531,000

Divided by 3, that's $177,000 each. Then Mike and Walt gave Jessie $40k each for fronting the money. That left Walt with the $137,000 he stated.

For ongoing cooks, I think the costs will be (assuming the same yield):
Gross after dealer's cut: $1,367,560
Mules: -$275,912
Gross after mules: $1,103,648 (rounded to $1,101,000)
Ira's per cook cost: -$25,000
Ira's guys per cook (3 guys at $10k each): -$30,000
Saul's take: $54,000
Legacy cost: $351,000
Methylamine: ??? (Mike said the first batch was free, but the next was going to cost big)

Net after all costs: $641,000 ($213,666.67 each, minus methylamine cost)

After Mike's guys are "made whole", they should be getting $330,666.67 each per cook (minus methylamine cost). That works out to a yearly income of $17,194,666.84 each (minus methylamine cost), assuming 1 cook per week. That's more than the $15 million per year he was getting under Fring.
Thank you for doing that. Now I don't have to. Seriously. I was going to.
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jeez...there's an extra row for Ira, some costs are per cook and some are flat fees, there's no total, every other row should be shaded, ...

um...oh...you were making fun of OCD?

ah...never mind!
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jeez...there's an extra row for Ira, some costs are per cook and some are flat fees, there's no total, every other row should be shaded, ...

um...oh...you were making fun of OCD?

ah...never mind!
To be honest, I left most of it blank and what not. I want to see if someone fills it out.
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As for the in-home cooks, I'm wondering about power requirements. At best, a residential house might give you easy access to a few 20 amp 110V circuits. I have no idea how much juice their equipment needs, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if they had several devices that need 220V, or maybe even more. They could maybe get a 220V line from an oven, and another from a dryer, I suppose. Jesse mentioned electrical supply when they were looking at potential locations, so I was surprised that didn't come up when they were discussing the exterminator option.
To my knowledge, the "standard" for modern construction is 200amp 220v main service. That's actually a good amount of power and since their lab equipment is built/modified specifically for this application, I don't have any issues with it. Also remember that they are scaled way down from what the Superlab was.

As far as access, yes they could tap into the dryer & oven circuits. I also wouldn't find it unbelievable that they just tap directly to the main breaker as well. One of the lab crates could have their own breaker box with a pigtail to tap into the breaker in the house. It would only take a few minutes to do that. Hell, I could see Walt doing it with a couple of sets of jumper cables.
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I've heard several people mention the car wash as a potential cook location.
Why would Walt want to combine the two? He needs to keep Heisenberg and White as separate identities.

Also, couldn't they bring a generator to power each cook without tapping into each house?

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Im pretty sure Walt was ambiguous at the end on purpose. He wants Jesse to think the worst. It's all about grabbing power. It doesnt matter that Jesse gets some point Walt was making. What matters is Jesse now has to think about what Walts thinking about. The worm has been inserted into his brain. It's classic manipulation. Whatever the worst case explanation is, Jesse will think it. The scene where Jesse is peeling the beer bottle is key. He's screwed in the head right now and Walt intends to keep it that way. Power and control.
Exactly. Even though Jesse, Walt & Mike are equal partners, the money guy may appear to be the boss (in Jesse's mind), but Walt needs Jesse to understand that Mr. White is "more equal" and the actual "boss" of the gang.

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They're only making about 1/4 of the product that they used to make for Fring; if they can get that back up then money should not be a big deal overall to them.
Yeah. With Fring they were cooking 200 lbs. every cook (per week?), and currently they were only producing just less than 50 lbs. of meth. So the money is still pretty sweet.

I expect Saul to be the last man standing ... just like a cockroach emerging after a nuclear holocaust.
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Everyone keeps saying theyre going to use the car wash. They passed up one of those places because of moisture. That would surely be an issue at the car wash. I guess they could buy industrial size humidifiers but that seems like a huge risk and loose end. Remember Hank became suspicious of Gus over some piece of equipment he had purchased.
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Pretty sure if they can wire a bunch of batteries to operate a giant magnet, supplying power to the machinery to cook should be pretty trivial.

They could even run a quiet generator inside and pump the exhaust out the same way they pump the fumigant and/or meth vapor out.
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Everyone keeps saying theyre going to use the car wash. They passed up one of those places because of moisture.
I believe it was the salt in the moisture that really was the issue, wasn't it?
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I have to say, I'm as big of a fan of BB as almost anyone, but this season has some elements that I'm not fond of. I don't really know how to explain it, other than to say that it seems like they end up coming up with these grandiose solutions to big problems, and bam, they're implemented and bear fruit almost instantly. It's like there's not enough "real world" time or effort put into them. Maybe it's just that things are being rushed on screen.

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We also got a big clue as to timelines: We recall that S01 opened with it being Walt's 50th, and in this episode, it was mentioned that Walt has a birthday coming up. That must be his 51st, so we know that about a year has elapsed thus far in the whole series. Considering that the S05E01 flash-forward was on his 52nd birthday, a lot of water seems destined to go under the bridge yet.

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After Mike's guys are "made whole", they should be getting $330,666.67 each per cook (minus methylamine cost). That works out to a yearly income of $17,194,666.84 each (minus methylamine cost), assuming 1 cook per week. That's more than the $15 million per year he was getting under Fring.
I don't think Walt is going to be happy with that. Walt didn't kill Gus so he could get a 15% raise. I think Walt expected that taking Gus out of the equation and becoming his own boss would result in at least 2x as much money, if not more.
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I don't think Walt is going to be happy with that. Walt didn't kill Gus so he could get a 15% raise.
Let's be clear -- Walt killed Gus before Gus killed Walt. Gus had pretty much what he needed from Walt -- his cook recipe. With Walt dead, Jesse could likely take over. I re-watched "Face Off" a few days ago, and there was the Victor replacement watching Jesse cook that last batch, and even he knew the steps.
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...I don't think Walt is going to be happy with that. Walt didn't kill Gus so he could get a 15% raise. I think Walt expected that taking Gus out of the equation and becoming his own boss would result in at least 2x as much money, if not more.
I think Walt thought that taking Gus out of the equation would keep Walt, Walt Jr., Skyler, Baby, and Hank alive.
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Let's be clear -- Walt killed Gus before Gus killed Walt. Gus had pretty much what he needed from Walt -- his cook recipe. With Walt dead, Jesse could likely take over. I re-watched "Face Off" a few days ago, and there was the Victor replacement watching Jesse cook that last batch, and even he knew the steps.
Of course. I'm not saying Walt killing Gus was solely so Walt could take over. It was primarily a self-preservation move. But my point is that with Gus out of the picture and Walt now thinking he's the new boss, I don't think he's going to be satisfied with taking all that extra risk yet only making a tiny percentage more money.
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I believe it was the salt in the moisture that really was the issue, wasn't it?
I think it was more about the steam than it was about the salt. At least that's how I understood it when Walt repeated himself and emphasized "STEAM and salt."
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Of course. I'm not saying Walt killing Gus was solely so Walt could take over. It was primarily a self-preservation move. But my point is that with Gus out of the picture and Walt now thinking he's the new boss, I don't think he's going to be satisfied with taking all that extra risk yet only making a tiny percentage more money.
In my opinion, when Walt took out Gus, it was to protect himself and his family. I don't think taking over and becoming the new boss really entered the picture until the dust settled and he was broke and needed to rebuild his nest egg. Only then did he know he could be the new boss.
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