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Old 06-15-2012, 10:49 PM   #1
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The Dream Team (NBA TV documentary)

Did anyone watch this? (It first aired Wednesday, June 13 on NBA TV.)

I just watched it tonight. As an NBA fan (and Chicago Bulls fan) since the late 80's, of course I was all over the Dream Team when they were playing, so I thought this was a real treat. And it was good simply as a documentary work, with a lot of great behind-the-scenes footage, and participation from many of the athletes including Jordan, Bird, and Johnson. They were fascinatingly candid, from Jordan and Pippen even today talking with dislike about Isiah Thomas, to most of them still carrying the competitive spirit that refuses to acknowledge that another player is better than them. And it was a thrill to see some of the footage of the legendary Monte Carlo scrimmage from right before the Games started. That game has been the stuff of legends for 20 years and we finally got to see a little bit of it.

Some of my other favorite parts:
  • John Stockton strolling with his family through Barcelona, introducing himself to American tourists who never recognized him.
  • Mike Krzyzewski revealing that Chuck Daly threw the inital scrimmage that the Dream Team lost to the US college players -- a brilliant strategy.
  • As a Bulls fan, Jordan and Pippen destroying Toni Kukoc. I liked him as a Bulls player, but this was prior to then and I remember their vendetta (really against GM Jerry Krause, as Jordan said in this movie) distinctly.
  • The players agog at the topless beaches in Monte Carlo.
  • Seeing footage of vintage Jordan. Ah, memories.

Good stuff.
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Old 06-16-2012, 01:11 AM   #2
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Haven't seen it, but I'll have to check if out. I was a 12 year old Jazz fan at the time, so the Dream Team was amazing.

I thought they vowed never to show the scrimmage footage.
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Old 06-16-2012, 01:34 AM   #3
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Yeah, it was awesome. I loved Pip coming right out and saying that Isaiah was a tool.

Favorite parts had to be Magic and MJ going at it on the practice court (Magic was at more than a little bit of a disadvantage seeing as how he'd been forced into retirement), and also busting each other's chops in the locker room, and then Stockton walking around Barcelona totally unrecognized.

And of course Barkley being Barkley.
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:07 AM   #4
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Haven't seen it, but I'll have to check if out. I was a 12 year old Jazz fan at the time, so the Dream Team was amazing.
Then you'll love the little moment with Stockton and his family walking around. Stockton even started trying to get recognized and failed. That was great.

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I thought they vowed never to show the scrimmage footage.
I have no idea why, if that's true. If they packaged that stuff into a DVD (or whatever) I bet it would sell big. Although maybe they were content all this time to let the legend of that scrimmage be the legend, which is understandable.
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:09 AM   #5
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Favorite parts had to be Magic and MJ going at it on the practice court (Magic was at more than a little bit of a disadvantage seeing as how he'd been forced into retirement)...
I loved Magic's narration of that scrimmage. 20 years later, he was still fired up thinking about it. (And neither side wanted Laettner. )
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:50 AM   #6
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Then you'll love the little moment with Stockton and his family walking around. Stockton even started trying to get recognized and failed. That was great.
On off game nights Stockton sometimes drove the Zamboni for the local minor league hockey team. Hardly anyone recognized him there either!
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:08 AM   #7
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One thing that was a bit funny about watching this was getting a look at how almost all of the players have, ah, swelled as they've gotten older. The only two who really looked to still be around their playing weight were Stockton and Pippen. Drexler seemed close. (Barkley of course has been losing weight and is looking much better now than he has in years past.)
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Old 06-16-2012, 02:23 PM   #8
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I enjoyed this. Yeah, they should sell this on DVD with that scrimmage as extra footage. Proceeds to Magic Johnson foundation. Lots of basketball fans would buy it.
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:15 PM   #9
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I haven't seen it yet - does it include...
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...any mention of the medal ceremony - specifically, the strategically-placed (and, in some cases, pinned-on) flags?

One thing I do remember about the Dream Team; I was worried that they were going to be upset because they had only one "three-point specialist" and USA was doing poorly in international competitions because everybody else learned how to use the 3 as a weapon - until that NBA game when Jordan made something like eight 3s (and shrugged his shoulders after one of them)).
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:18 PM   #10
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I haven't seen it yet - does it include...
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...any mention of the medal ceremony - specifically, the strategically-placed (and, in some cases, pinned-on) flags?
No. It's a flaw, as this was a significant (if short-lived) event. I guess I can understand why they left it out, since it would have had to occur at the end, and as you'll see, they were clearly going for an emotional high at the conclusion that dealing with this would have aborted.


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One thing I do remember about the Dream Team; I was worried that they were going to be upset because they had only one "three-point specialist" and USA was doing poorly in international competitions because everybody else learned how to use the 3 as a weapon - until that NBA game when Jordan made something like eight 3s (and shrugged his shoulders after one of them)).
Game one of the Finals against Portland.

Six threes in the first half. That wouldn't be as remarkable today, perhaps, but Jordan wasn't known as a three-point shooter in those days. Going into the Finals, there was a lot of talk that Portland guard Clyde Drexler might be close to the equal of Jordan. A reporter asked Michael what the difference between the two of them was, and Jordan answered that Drexler was "a better three-point shooter than I choose to be." Choose to be. As if to reinforce the point, and also end the discussion about Drexler being in his class, Jordan then went out and hit those six threes in the first half of game one.
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Old 06-17-2012, 02:39 PM   #11
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Definitely worth watching for the scrimmage and practice footage alone. The college-kids vs. Dream Team scrimmage and the Magic vs. Michael scrimmage are both legendary and I had no idea that there was footage of either. That was cool to see.
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Old 06-18-2012, 07:32 AM   #12
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Awesome special. It was funny hearing Magic talk about hanging with Larry and after some Jordan domination and both coming to the realization that the torch had been passed.

The first scrimmage where the Dream Team was split up and guys went hard head to head against each other was fun too. Sir Charles vs the Mailman would have been awesome to watch.
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Old 06-18-2012, 08:55 AM   #13
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Peter Vecsey had an interesting take on this. As an Isiah Thomas fan, it's nice to see this point of view.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/...n3tmCFDaYxUMjJ
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:40 AM   #14
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It would have been more interesting if he actually watched the show and then commented. If it took Isaiah not being on the team to land Jordan then I'm OK with that.

Plus with Stockton and Magic at the point, and Jordan's ability to play it, I question whether Thomas was deserving anyway. Only so many positions to go around.
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:54 AM   #15
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It would have been more interesting if he actually watched the show and then commented. If it took Isaiah not being on the team to land Jordan then I'm OK with that.

Plus with Stockton and Magic at the point, and Jordan's ability to play it, I question whether Thomas was deserving anyway. Only so many positions to go around.
Yeah, I never thought it was such a travesty that Thomas was left off the team. It didn't seem like anyone missed him, including his coach.
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Only so many positions to go around.
You can say that again (I apologize if they mentioned this on the program) - international basketball rules don't allow for more than 12 players on a team, if for no other reason than only uniform numbers 4-15 are allowed.
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Old 06-18-2012, 01:08 PM   #17
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Thomas not being on the team wasn't a travesty - his real talent was in coaching and being a GM!
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Thomas not being on the team wasn't a travesty - his real talent was in coaching and being a GM!
Don't forget being league owner/commissioner. He bought the Continental Basketball Association and within a couple of years the league folded.
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Old 06-18-2012, 01:27 PM   #19
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I missed this, thanks for the heads up I hope to catch a repeat.


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Don't forget being league owner/commissioner. He bought the Continental Basketball Association and within a couple of years the league folded.
I feel bad now for selling him short.
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Old 06-18-2012, 02:29 PM   #21
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Wasn't the conversation basically

NBA: We want a minor league. Here's a ridiculous amount of money, be our official minor league.
Thomas: No. I want more money.
NBA. Uh, okay. (*forms D-League*)
(*losing horns*)
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Wasn't the conversation basically

NBA: We want a minor league. Here's a ridiculous amount of money, be our official minor league.
Thomas: No. I want more money.
NBA. Uh, okay. (*forms D-League*)
(*losing horns*)
That's pretty much the way I remember it. Isiah bought the CBA thinking he could sell it to the NBA, which wasn't a bad idea, then he tried to play hardball and the NBA just moved on and formed the D league. So the CBA went bankrupt. As I recall, Isiah was not exactly popular with the people in the CBA cities who had lost their teams/incomes/jobs.
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Old 06-18-2012, 08:33 PM   #23
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Old 06-22-2012, 12:13 PM   #24
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Just got done watching. Very well done.

I forgot how competitive Magic was. Being a Bulls fan I was aware of that trait in Jordan. It was awesome watching those two go at each other.

And I loved MJ and Pippen laying the hammer on Kukoc. And his comment that he just thought that's the way they played in the NBA was great.

I was a little shocked at the Isiah stuff. I knew Jordan didn't like the guy, but I always thought it had to do with his first All-Star game. I didn't realize that people thought he was the mastermind behind the Piston thuggery.
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Old 06-22-2012, 12:35 PM   #25
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Sounds interesting. Set to record. The next showing I found is July 4.

I was a big fan back in The Dream Team era, not so much now. I didn't even know I got the NBA channel.
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Old 06-22-2012, 05:13 PM   #26
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Set to record in the middle of the night a few days ago: tried to watch it last night and lo and behold, instead I got 90 minutes of NBA championship replay. Boooooring.

Only one showing left on my TiVo. Hopefully this one will be real.
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Just finished watching this, what a great behind the scenes documentary.

I got chills watch Larry shoot those threes again.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:00 PM   #28
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Yay! Got this one. Loved it. I really had no idea about Isaiah Thomas. I knew about the Pistons and the "bad boy" rep (and, as a Celtics fan, I often saw it first hand). I didn't realize people thought Thomas was such a prime instigator.

Loved seeing Charles "meeting the people" and Stockton just meeting the people.

And yes, it was so great to see Bird out there again.
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Loved the documentary aspect of the show. It was very well done. My only gripe is that I wish there were more footage of the games themselves.
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don't know how I missed this. need to check and see if there are any more showings.
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