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Old 06-12-2012, 01:50 PM   #241
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He definitely seems that way to me in the series. I don't remember him like that as much in the books. That makes me wonder how he will differ long term (if at all). Part of that could be not being in his head in the series. One advantage the books have is since you are in their heads you get a chance to see why they are doing something that from another view point might look short sighted or just stupid.
The treatment of Jon in the show is really disappointing to me. In the books, up to this point, he is naive and "boyish" but NEVER stupid. His character is just so much more developed and nuanced in the books, I'm sad to see that lost (so far) in the show.
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:52 PM   #242
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I think two problems in the books-to-TV transition that are relevant here are A) things get compressed, which can give short shrift to the motivations of the more flawed characters, and B) we don't get the inner voice of the characters, so we get a lot less of what they're thinking about what they're doing.
There's also the fact that in a book you can hide a characters face, letting you reveal who the person is later in a grand surprise! (which GRRM does ALL the time) In a TV show, you can't do that. If I see someone, I know who they are. I've noticed a bunch of plot lines that have been adjusted because of this.
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:55 PM   #243
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Going to spoiler this for the sensitive folks. But seriously, it's about as tame as could be.

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For those confused by the Winterfell burning scene - they will have to address this in more detail later, probably from another point of view. So, for now, treat it as a cliff hanger and don't stress yourself out trying to piece it together

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Old 06-12-2012, 02:57 PM   #244
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The treatment of Jon in the show is really disappointing to me. In the books, up to this point, he is naive and "boyish" but NEVER stupid. His character is just so much more developed and nuanced in the books, I'm sad to see that lost (so far) in the show.
In the books (and I have only read book 1), isn't he supposed to be younger? A teenager? I'm not sure of his age in the show, but even if he's supposed to still be a teenager he LOOKS older, maybe early 20s. So STUPID you can forgive in a child as being naive. In an adult, you are less apt to be as forgiving.
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:11 PM   #245
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In the books (and I have only read book 1), isn't he supposed to be younger? A teenager? I'm not sure of his age in the show, but even if he's supposed to still be a teenager he LOOKS older, maybe early 20s. So STUPID you can forgive in a child as being naive. In an adult, you are less apt to be as forgiving.
Yes, all the Stark kids, including Jon, are younger in the books than the actors in the show. And, admittedly, even someone in early 20's is very likely to be stupid. Speaking as someone who did enough boneheaded stuff in his teens & low 20's, especially around the fairer sex.
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:02 PM   #246
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The treatment of Jon in the show is really disappointing to me. In the books, up to this point, he is naive and "boyish" but NEVER stupid. His character is just so much more developed and nuanced in the books, I'm sad to see that lost (so far) in the show.
Best book reference that was not a spoiler I have seen so far. I really like Jon in the books but the way he is portrayed in the show does in fact make him look the fool. Of all the storylines that have been followed up to this point that have had to have been changed for adaptation, Jon's adaptation is the worse by far in my opinion.
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:44 PM   #247
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The treatment of Jon in the show is really disappointing to me. In the books, up to this point, he is naive and "boyish" but NEVER stupid. His character is just so much more developed and nuanced in the books, I'm sad to see that lost (so far) in the show.
I haven't been overly bothered by this, but what did rub me the wrong way was the rewrite of the storyline with Ygritte for the show. THAT made him look stupid and naive. Also how they treated his fight with Quoron.

Additionally on that note, how they make Cat Stark look with the releasing of Jamie is a bit rough. At least in the novels you get her insight and her inner dialogue as to why she's doing what she's doing. Yes, it looked stupid to Rob but she had her reasons.
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Old 08-22-2012, 05:13 PM   #248
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Here's a little something to hold us over until next year.

Game Of Thrones theme sung by a cat.


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Old 08-22-2012, 05:30 PM   #249
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Here's a little something to hold us over until next year.

Game Of Thrones theme sung by a cat.

I want the RAM that Flash took up to show that back.
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Old 08-22-2012, 05:36 PM   #250
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LOL, I thought it was clever, although I admit I skipped a bit here and there. Simple things amuse simple minds, eh?
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:31 PM   #251
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Everyone ready for Season 3?

I finished re-watching Season 2 last night and am starting to re-read Book 3.
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:33 PM   #252
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Everyone ready for Season 3?

I finished re-watching Season 2 last night and am starting to re-read Book 3.
Yes, SO READY!
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:38 PM   #253
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Everyone ready for Season 3?

I finished re-watching Season 2 last night and am starting to re-read Book 3.
I finished rewatching the first two seasons last week and am rereading the third book now as well. Really looking forward to the season after seeing the trailer.

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Old 03-08-2013, 12:54 PM   #254
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Since the second season ended I have got 3 of my work associates to catch up on the series, all 20 episodes. They loved it.

This season will be a whole lot more fun for me now, especially since I know what is going to happen and they don't (I'm a book reader, they have only seen the series).
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Old 03-08-2013, 01:14 PM   #255
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This season will be a whole lot more fun for me now, especially since I know what is going to happen and they don't (I'm a book reader, they have only seen the series).
Yeah, one of my daughters has read the books, but my other two kids and my husband have not. I'm really looking forward to this season!
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Old 03-08-2013, 01:18 PM   #256
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I'm ready. I have to download the last episode and watch it. Is this the thread for the last episode?
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Old 03-08-2013, 02:52 PM   #257
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The last episode of the second season, yes. And the most recent. So beware spoilers.
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Old 03-08-2013, 03:04 PM   #258
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Very much. I read all the books last year, while the rest of the family hasn't. It's tough not letting spoilers out but I have been pretty good, except one my son got out of me. It should come fairly early in S03 so not that big a deal, and it was mostly somewhat predictable anyway.
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Old 03-08-2013, 03:30 PM   #259
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:02 AM   #260
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I'm ready for Season 3! I started reading Book 3, but got sidetracked, and I'm still early in the book.
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Have you seen the 15 minute summary of last season that aired on HBO?
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I'm ready for Season 3! I started reading Book 3, but got sidetracked, and I'm still early in the book.
While reading book three keep in mind that the book will basically be split into seasons 3 and 4, so if you complete the book and things seem like they are not moving fast enough in season three that would be why.

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Have you seen the 15 minute summary of last season that aired on HBO?
Not yet but will watch it when someone posts the Youtube link.
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Have you seen the 15 minute summary of last season that aired on HBO?
Yeah! My UVerse SP picked it up. That was welcome because I was thinking I needed to go back and watch the last few episodes of the last season to remember what's what and who's who.

They did a good job with the briefing.
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:43 AM   #264
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Have you seen the 15 minute summary of last season that aired on HBO?
ooh...I need to record that...

I'm sooooo ready...I've been playing the theme song 4-5 times every day!
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While reading book three keep in mind that the book will basically be split into seasons 3 and 4, so if you complete the book and things seem like they are not moving fast enough in season three that would be why.



Not yet but will watch it when someone posts the Youtube link.
In preperation for S3, I have started reading book 3. Actually, I started awhile ago, but have restarted again. About 2/3 of the way through now. If they do break Book 3 in to S3 & S4, they may need to move some the last part of the book forward. It seems that the first part was rather slow moving, but the second half picks up speed dramatcially.
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While reading book three keep in mind that the book will basically be split into seasons 3 and 4, so if you complete the book and things seem like they are not moving fast enough in season three that would be why.
And also that elements of Book 4 will be in Season 3.

As time goes by, they will adhere less and less to the exact structure of the books...which is good, because as time goes by the structure of the books becomes more of a mess.
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Not yet but will watch it when someone posts the Youtube link.
Well, look what just showed up in my Twitter feed:

Catch up with Game of Thrones in awesome 14-minute S2 recap
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Well, look what just showed up in my Twitter feed:

Catch up with Game of Thrones in awesome 14-minute S2 recap

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Well, look what just showed up in my Twitter feed:

Catch up with Game of Thrones in awesome 14-minute S2 recap
Cool, I set this up to record Wed morning on HBO2 and also set up the last episode of S2 to rewatch (the episode for this thread).
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Watched the 15 minute recap. It was good, but not as much fun as re-watching Season Two will be. Which I will do before S3 starts.

I read book three last year, I'm 88% thru book four now (Feast of Crows). I had heard, as Rob mentioned, that from this point forward they will focus more on telling a story, and less on chronological book order. So I figure I better have 3 & 4 read before this season airs.

The books just keep getting denser, with so many plots and stories and peoples and deaths and journeys and whatnot, that I have no idea how they can make a single season at a time TV show from them. But I can't wait to see their efforts!

They could make a new episode every week of every year and still not run out of source material.
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