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Old 06-08-2012, 05:10 PM   #211
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I looked forward to hearing the pronunciation of "Valar Morghulis" more than names or places.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:14 PM   #212
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Count me in as someone who was sometimes confused by who various people are. I still don't know if I can post about people without looking up their names.
Entertainment Weekly has some good episode recaps.
http://tvrecaps.ew.com/tv-show/game-of-thrones/

Tower of the Hand has a scope setting.. You'll still need to be careful to avoid theories and spoilers.
http://towerofthehand.com/

Then there's of course the HBO fan site.
http://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/index.html
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:22 PM   #213
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Anther resource, which is pretty good about avoiding spoilers, assuming you are caught up with the TV series: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/...f_Thrones_Wiki
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:31 PM   #214
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Entertainment Weekly has some good episode recaps.
http://tvrecaps.ew.com/tv-show/game-of-thrones/

Tower of the Hand has a scope setting.. You'll still need to be careful to avoid theories and spoilers.
http://towerofthehand.com/

Then there's of course the HBO fan site.
http://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/index.html
THIS! Whatever you do, never google things. You'll be taken to sites where things are spoiled before you even realize what you've read! Also beware of comments in any review of episodes.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:54 PM   #215
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Tower of the Hand is probably the best site in terms of fan nerdom.

They have chapter reviews, episode reviews, book review, etc, etc, etc......

I wish when I was reading the books I knew about their chapter reviews.. I glanced at them and realized there was some very subtle stuff I missed that may, or may not have any weight on the final outcome of the overall plot, but deeply affect characters and their paths and are full of theories.
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:09 PM   #216
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Entertainment Weekly has some good episode recaps.
http://tvrecaps.ew.com/tv-show/game-of-thrones/
I have compiled all the Season 2 EW recaps into a word file; which I have converted to MOBI format (so you can open it into any e-book).

I have Clibre, so I can also convert them into PDF or some other format if you wish.

I also did the same thing for another recap from Grantland.com

if anyone is interested in a copy, PM me your e-mail address and I'm happy to e-mail you both files. I was going to do the same thing for Alan Sepinwell, but his recaps are too short so I didn't feel the need.
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Old 06-09-2012, 09:26 PM   #217
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Ok, I am new to GoT. I have not read the books, and I just watched both seasons over the last two weeks. And this is my first GoT thread.

Now that I finished season 2 last night, I'd like to read the books. Am I correct in thinking that book 1 was roughly season 1 and book 2 was roughly season 2?

Count me in as someone who was sometimes confused by who various people are. I still don't know if I can post about people without looking up their names.
Some parts of Book Three have already been introduced in the series. (Robbs wedding, Jon Snow joining the wildings, etc.) if you are wanting to not spoil the series, you are safe reading the first 2 books.

I wanted to thank everyone for the discussion of "The Rains of Castamere" last week.

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After last weeks discussion, I got to the Red Wedding in the book, and knowing the history behind the song definitely added to the tension of the scene.

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Old 06-11-2012, 09:32 AM   #218
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I have compiled all the Season 2 EW recaps into a word file; which I have converted to MOBI format (so you can open it into any e-book).

I have Clibre, so I can also convert them into PDF or some other format if you wish.

I also did the same thing for another recap from Grantland.com

if anyone is interested in a copy, PM me your e-mail address and I'm happy to e-mail you both files. I was going to do the same thing for Alan Sepinwell, but his recaps are too short so I didn't feel the need.
Forgot to mention that the EW recap also has a long interview with the show runners specifically about "Blackwater", the 9th episode of season 2. I placed just before that episode's recap.

I've tried to send the files as soon as I got your PMs. I do apologize if you waited too long over the weekend!
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:06 AM   #219
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Some parts of Book Three have already been introduced in the series. (Robbs wedding, Jon Snow joining the wildings, etc.) if you are wanting to not spoil the series, you are safe reading the first 2 books.

I wanted to thank everyone for the discussion of "The Rains of Castamere" last week.

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After last weeks discussion, I got to the Red Wedding in the book, and knowing the history behind the song definitely added to the tension of the scene.


Was that clearly introduced in the series? I don't think so!!
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:23 AM   #220
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Was that clearly introduced in the series? I don't think so!!
I thought he was their captive but lots of things happen on this show that I either miss or misinterpret.
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:33 AM   #221
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I thought he was their captive but lots of things happen on this show that I either miss or misinterpret.
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That's what I thought. It didn't seem like he was joining them. That would be a major spoiler for me.

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Old 06-11-2012, 11:43 AM   #222
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I thought he was their captive but lots of things happen on this show that I either miss or misinterpret.
After he fought with and killed Half-Hand, they didn't tie him back up. At that point, he can't go back to the Black.
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:51 AM   #223
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I thought it was made clear enough that's what he's doing. That was the entire point of Qhorin fighting with him and losing... so as to gain their trust for Jon to become an internal spy. "One on this inside is worth a hundred at the wall" or something like that, he said.
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:37 PM   #224
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I thought it was made clear enough that's what he's doing. That was the entire point of Qhorin fighting with him and losing... so as to gain their trust for Jon to become an internal spy. "One on this inside is worth a hundred at the wall" or something like that, he said.
I totally missed that, and I guess I was not alone.
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I totally missed that, and I guess I was not alone.
Nope. It's still not clear to me whether he is now on the side of the wildlings or if he is a spy.
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:59 PM   #226
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Nope. It's still not clear to me whether he is now on the side of the wildlings or if he is a spy.
Or both.

That is, he has joined the wildlings in order to be an inside agent.
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:59 PM   #227
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Nope. It's still not clear to me whether he is now on the side of the wildlings or if he is a spy.
I think we're supposed to assume that he's a spy at this point, but that can certainly change.
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I don't think even Snow is sure if he's a spy!

My guess is that he has (or at least will have) conflicted feelings. And I'm afraid, him being who he is, that he'll do something stupid.

I hate having to wait a year to see it.
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Old 06-11-2012, 02:42 PM   #229
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I don't think even Snow is sure if he's a spy!

My guess is that he has (or at least will have) conflicted feelings. And I'm afraid, him being who he is, that he'll do something stupid.
No kidding!

We're talking about Jon Snow. Flakiest dude in the North. Of course he'll do something stupid!
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No kidding!

We're talking about Jon Snow. Flakiest dude in the North. Of course he'll do something stupid!
well, he was stupid enough to need to be goaded and angered into killing halfhand. Heaven forbid he does the smart thing on his own.

I don't know why they need to tie his hands, regardless of whether or not they trust him. Where is going to run to?
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:58 PM   #231
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I don't think even Snow is sure if he's a spy!

My guess is that he has (or at least will have) conflicted feelings. And I'm afraid, him being who he is, that he'll do something stupid.
I'm quite sure Jon knows that he's a spy... right now.

The question is, will he stay that way?
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I'm quite sure Jon knows that he's a spy... right now.
The question is, will he stay that way?
I say no. He'll fall in lurve with Ygritte and think he belongs with them. He's a lost soul just looking for anyone to throw him a bone. I feel bad for him but it doesn't make him the smartest character. He definitely thinks with his heart and not his head, IMO.
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I feel bad for him but it doesn't make him the smartest character. He definitely thinks with his heart and not his head, IMO.
He definitely seems that way to me in the series. I don't remember him like that as much in the books. That makes me wonder how he will differ long term (if at all). Part of that could be not being in his head in the series. One advantage the books have is since you are in their heads you get a chance to see why they are doing something that from another view point might look short sighted or just stupid.
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He definitely seems that way to me in the series. I don't remember him like that as much in the books. That makes me wonder how he will differ long term (if at all). Part of that could be not being in his head in the series. One advantage the books have is since you are in their heads you get a chance to see why they are doing something that from another view point might look short sighted or just stupid.
I get the feeling, mostly from reading comments here, that both Jon and Caitlyn appear more bumbling-as in always making the wrong decision- in the show than in the books. It's funny to me that they aren't related, because they have the same poor judgment.
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I get the feeling, mostly from reading comments here, that both Jon and Caitlyn appear more bumbling-as in always making the wrong decision- in the show than in the books. It's funny to me that they aren't related, because they have the same poor judgment.
I don't remember Caitlyn doing anything substantially different in the series. But I do agree that given the changes in the series some of her decisions don't look as good. In the books she isn't with Robb when a lot of stuff is happening and thus has different motivations for what she does.

But honestly my memory sucks and I don't remember a lot of stuff and could be wrong.
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I don't remember Caitlyn doing anything substantially different in the series. But I do agree that given the changes in the series some of her decisions don't look as good. In the books she isn't with Robb when a lot of stuff is happening and thus has different motivations for what she does.

But honestly my memory sucks and I don't remember a lot of stuff and could be wrong.
I have the same problem with my memory, so I can't really say about Cat.

But I did get much less of a "stupid" vibe from Jon in the books compared to the show.
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I think two problems in the books-to-TV transition that are relevant here are A) things get compressed, which can give short shrift to the motivations of the more flawed characters, and B) we don't get the inner voice of the characters, so we get a lot less of what they're thinking about what they're doing.

In particular, what happens with Jon and the wildlings takes place over a much longer span in the books, mostly told from his own viewpoint, so we get what he's thinking plus the process is more gradual. I think when Jon (and Caitlyn) are forced by the compressed narrative of the show to do things more quickly, it doesn't look good for them. That's why I'm a HUGE proponent of reading the books first; watching things unfold at their natural pace with everything in place is much more pleasurable than having it race past you on the screen.
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Hmm... I wonder what Jon's inner dialogue was when he was spooning with yigrit (whatever her name is) that night
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Hmm... I wonder what Jon's inner dialogue was when he was spooning with yigrit (whatever her name is) that night
Probably like a medieval Penthouse letter.
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Hmm... I wonder what Jon's inner dialogue was when he was spooning with yigrit (whatever her name is) that night
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