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Old 05-11-2012, 05:47 AM   #31
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The HDUI main menu and submenus now execute a good deal (roughly 3 times) faster. The iPad app also runs a lot faster and cleaner -- the Browse function in particular is now far less frustrating to use. Tivo hit a home run with this upgrade.
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Old 05-11-2012, 06:15 AM   #32
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The HDUI main menu and submenus now execute a good deal (roughly 3 times) faster. The iPad app also runs a lot faster and cleaner -- the Browse function in particular is now far less frustrating to use. Tivo hit a home run with this upgrade.
Really? THAT is ALL I wanted. OMG I can't wait to try it. If its true then this can truley be a pleasure to use. What did it used to take to view your recording list? and how long now?
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Old 05-11-2012, 06:29 AM   #33
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Got on my Elite this morning...

Same Netflix and YouTube behavior as reported earlier. Waiting until I get home from work to see if it is cleared up.
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Old 05-11-2012, 06:44 AM   #34
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"You Tube" now has the New Interface. Played around with alittle this morning before work. The "Search" letters are Very Small.
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Old 05-11-2012, 06:48 AM   #35
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The HDUI main menu and submenus now execute a good deal (roughly 3 times) faster.
Sorry, this is just not true. It is exactly the same.
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Old 05-11-2012, 06:54 AM   #36
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Sorry, this is just not true. It is exactly the same.
I have also found it to be somewhat quicker.
Couldn't say how much, but it was noticeable.
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:07 AM   #37
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It seems just as quick to me. It seems the same. At least on this Elite that I'm using right now.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:49 AM   #38
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I have also found it to be somewhat quicker.
Couldn't say how much, but it was noticeable.
Most people notice some type of menu speed change after a reboot, sometimes slower, sometimes faster. But it usually will settle down to something "typical". I saw no change in overall menu speed or behavior.
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:02 AM   #39
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Sorry, this is just not true. It is exactly the same.
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Most people notice some type of menu speed change after a reboot, sometimes slower, sometimes faster. But it usually will settle down to something "typical". I saw no change in overall menu speed or behavior.
I will check when I get home to see if it's still quicker, but typically for me it is slower after a reboot. This time it was quicker on both my Premieres for the several hours I used them after the update.

On another note, I will say that I was expecting more from this update. Other than the 2 new apps, there really isn't much different than before. Sure, parental controls show up on the menu and there are some minor tweaks (clock, FF) but other than that, nothing noticeable has changed. No new HD menus etc... I guess that 's why the version only changed from 20.2.1 to 20.2.2. A very small increment. Hopefully a much larger change is coming soon.
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Menu changes were never indicated as items to be included. Not sure why you expected them.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:50 PM   #41
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http://www.techofthehub.com/2012/05/...on-review.html

To wrap-up, while it does have some quirks, the new TiVo Netflix player is a big improvement and provides a great audio and video experience. Since the TiVo is our primary viewing device and given its integrated search, I will be using Netflix on TiVo much more. Given the wealth of bandwidth I get from FIOS, the video black-out problem should just be a minor annoyance for me. While I wouldn’t recommend the TiVo Premiere just for Netflix, the new Netflix app is one of several compelling reasons to make it part of your home theater set up.
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I could not disagree more. The new Netflix is far slower than the (already slow) old version. Video quality is no better (actually seems worse), and the interface is maddening - far more difficult to use than the old version. I get better quality from my 15+ year old VCR.

I don't see any improvement in the new Netflix application as a whole. Sure, it's cool to have icons of your shows, but not at the expense of basic functionality.

I also see no change in the speed of the basic Tivo menus with this update. I'm still strongly considering going back to SD menus because the HD still feels way too slow to me, after trying to get used to it for the past few months. It's ridiculous to wait for seconds after each button press in 2012.
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Old 05-11-2012, 11:46 PM   #42
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I could not disagree more. The new Netflix is far slower than the (already slow) old version. Video quality is no better (actually seems worse), and the interface is maddening - far more difficult to use than the old version. I get better quality from my 15+ year old VCR.

I don't see any improvement in the new Netflix application as a whole. Sure, it's cool to have icons of your shows, but not at the expense of basic functionality.

I also see no change in the speed of the basic Tivo menus with this update. I'm still strongly considering going back to SD menus because the HD still feels way too slow to me, after trying to get used to it for the past few months. It's ridiculous to wait for seconds after each button press in 2012.
Video quality is most definitely better. Previously we were limited to 720P streams. Now we can view the 1080P24 streams. And the difference between the two is very obvious.

If you think the quality is worse you must not have the HD resolutions checked or something else is going on in your setup. At three different TVs, the 1080P24 streams were easily noticeable as better than the 720P streams.
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Old 05-12-2012, 01:18 AM   #43
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Sorry, this is just not true. It is exactly the same.
I've noticed absolutely no difference whatsoever. It's slow and sluggish like usual.

(well, it's not horribly slow and sluggish, but damn sure slower and sluggisher than it should be)

They did finally add Clear QAM mapping, Amazon Prime, and iPad Streaming to this update. Too bad I'll never use any of those features.
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Old 05-12-2012, 02:46 AM   #44
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They did finally add Clear QAM mapping, Amazon Prime, and iPad Streaming to this update. Too bad I'll never use any of those features.
Wait, what the...? Oh. I see what you did there.

Not funny.
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Old 05-12-2012, 08:39 AM   #45
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Don't know if this is the correct thread but I've just come back to Netflix Instant Streaming on TiVo since I stopped it when they separated instant from physical disk. I haven't been able to figure out how to get from a movie back to your instant queue? All I could find was by pressing "Clear", it takes you back to TiVo Central then you have to navigate back to Netflix. All I want to do is go from watching a movie back to the Netflix Instant Queue.
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Old 05-12-2012, 10:07 AM   #46
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Don't know if this is the correct thread but I've just come back to Netflix Instant Streaming on TiVo since I stopped it when they separated instant from physical disk. I haven't been able to figure out how to get from a movie back to your instant queue? All I could find was by pressing "Clear", it takes you back to TiVo Central then you have to navigate back to Netflix. All I want to do is go from watching a movie back to the Netflix Instant Queue.
I don't have it, so I can't test it, but try hitting the left button. Typically on the tivo that takes you to the previous menu.
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I don't have it, so I can't test it, but try hitting the left button. Typically on the tivo that takes you to the previous menu.
Yeah, that's the first thing I tried but it doesn't work...
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Don't know if this is the correct thread but I've just come back to Netflix Instant Streaming on TiVo since I stopped it when they separated instant from physical disk. I haven't been able to figure out how to get from a movie back to your instant queue? All I could find was by pressing "Clear", it takes you back to TiVo Central then you have to navigate back to Netflix. All I want to do is go from watching a movie back to the Netflix Instant Queue.
I ended up calling Netflix and they weren't able to help and asked me to call TiVo. I called TiVo and he didn't know off the top of his head because it's so new but we finally figured it out. You need to press the "Up" arrow to go from a movie you're watching to the movie information and then the "Left" to get back to the queue.
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I ended up calling Netflix and they weren't able to help and asked me to call TiVo. I called TiVo and he didn't know off the top of his head because it's so new but we finally figured it out. You need to press the "Up" arrow to go from a movie you're watching to the movie information and then the "Left" to get back to the queue.
A perfect illustration how it is a bad idea to have a totally different UI from the rest of the platform.
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I woke up to the spring update this morning. My excitement quickly turned to 'meh' shortly after playing around with the two new apps.

First off, someone mentioned that they didn't have access to them after receiving the update. I had that happen with my non-XL premiere and I just forced another connection and it fixed the problem. YMMV. My premiere XL was fine from the start.

On to my issues... Everything is sluggish and the apps take forever to load. The Netflix app just looks more like their website now so it's a little better but nothing to write home about. For whatever reason they didn't think to make the controls similar to the TiVo interface. The YouTube app kinda sucks in general. It's hard to navigate now, maybe I just need to get used to it but overall but I liked the old interface better. The worst problem is that almost everything I try to watch stalls and then the sound is no longer synced when/if it resumes. Seriously, even watching just a 45 second clip stalls four or five times by the time I just give up and cancel out of it. That used to not happen with the old app. One last minor thing, the transfer history in network diagnostics no longer shows any info on YouTube video transfers. The option is there but 'none' is listed for everything.

Oh well, thanks TiVo for at least trying.
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The HDUI main menu and submenus now execute a good deal (roughly 3 times) faster. The iPad app also runs a lot faster and cleaner -- the Browse function in particular is now far less frustrating to use. Tivo hit a home run with this upgrade.
I want some of what you're smoking. There's little or no difference. Still very laggy, in fact a touch worse in some cases. I see the blue dashed circle now that I almost never saw before.

Also, the new YouTube app is PAINFULLY SLOW. Terrible. Freezes for SECONDS while inputting into search. Probably back to flash lack of multi-threading, but if the hardware is the problem (I doubt), they need to get some assembly specialists and code closer to the hardware. The high-level C or whatever they're using is clearly not up to the job.
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Agreed (with crxssi). In this case, I think it is UP to bring you back up a menu level, but only if you cannot see that level on screen (when playing a show). Left brings you up a level when you are in menus when you can scroll up or down. Maddening!

Oh and clear will exit you from the application. That is a fun one when trying to simply clear the screen of the progress bar...
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A perfect illustration how it is a bad idea to have a totally different UI from the rest of the platform.
Word.

A transparent Tivo experience running Netflix would have been much preferred and more logical.
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I want some of what you're smoking. There's little or no difference. Still very laggy, in fact a touch worse in some cases. I see the blue dashed circle now that I almost never saw before.

Also, the new YouTube app is PAINFULLY SLOW. Terrible. Freezes for SECONDS while inputting into search. Probably back to flash lack of multi-threading, but if the hardware is the problem (I doubt), they need to get some assembly specialists and code closer to the hardware. The high-level C or whatever they're using is clearly not up to the job.
I must be smoking the same thing because both of my Premieres are noticeably faster.
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I woke up to the spring update this morning. My excitement quickly turned to 'meh' shortly after playing around with the two new apps.

First off, someone mentioned that they didn't have access to them after receiving the update. I had that happen with my non-XL premiere and I just forced another connection and it fixed the problem. YMMV. My premiere XL was fine from the start.

On to my issues... Everything is sluggish and the apps take forever to load. The Netflix app just looks more like their website now so it's a little better but nothing to write home about. For whatever reason they didn't think to make the controls similar to the TiVo interface. The YouTube app kinda sucks in general. It's hard to navigate now, maybe I just need to get used to it but overall but I liked the old interface better. The worst problem is that almost everything I try to watch stalls and then the sound is no longer synced when/if it resumes. Seriously, even watching just a 45 second clip stalls four or five times by the time I just give up and cancel out of it. That used to not happen with the old app. One last minor thing, the transfer history in network diagnostics no longer shows any info on YouTube video transfers. The option is there but 'none' is listed for everything.

Oh well, thanks TiVo for at least trying.

The play, pause, FF/REW buttons can still be used with the Netflix app. The only difference I see is you need to use the D-Pad to exit when streaming. Which is pretty consistent with other Netflix apps. And you can also use the D-PAd to play/pause/FF/REW as well if you want. But I still use the actual play, pause,FF, and REW buttons on my TiVo remotes when streaming from Netflix on my TiVos.
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The play, pause, FF/REW buttons can still be used with the Netflix app. The only difference I see is you need to use the D-Pad to exit when streaming. Which is pretty consistent with other Netflix apps. And you can also use the D-PAd to play/pause/FF/REW as well if you want. But I still use the actual play, pause,FF, and REW buttons on my TiVo remotes when streaming from Netflix on my TiVos.
dont know if in the right place. But how do i get the clock???.Any one know
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dont know if in the right place. But how do i get the clock???.Any one know
SELECT-PLAY-SELECT-9-SELECT now displays a clock (without seconds) in the upper right corner when using HD Menus. (Make sure you press SELECT once first, to bring up the Mini-Guide, before you enter the code.)

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A quick question. I have not received the new Spring Update and I was wondering if it is still being rolled out or should I have received it already ?
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A quick question. I have not received the new Spring Update and I was wondering if it is still being rolled out or should I have received it already ?
Sometimes it takes a few weeks before all the boxes get it. Just be patient. If you don't have it this week, I would contact TiVo and tell them something is wrong.
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A quick question. I have not received the new Spring Update and I was wondering if it is still being rolled out or should I have received it already ?
I just purchased a new XL4 last week, came with 14.9. 1st hour forced a connection and a restart - brought me to 20.2. Added my TSN to the priority list on day 1. The following day, forced a connection and restart - upgraded to 20.2.1.1.

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