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Old 05-01-2012, 11:07 AM   #91
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I just rewatched the episode. One of my favorite parts was Brienne making her vows to protect Lady Stark. That was a just a great scene and a great moment. It was very exciting and full of promise.

For the book readers, there are a few points I wanted to touch on. First on Arya and Jaqen:

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In the books, Arya has someone else killed for her first kill. SHE personally kills the tickler in book 3 along with Polliver (by the Hound). Again I'm sure it is to compress the number of recognizable characters in the show but it was a bit disappointing. Who will we see killed by Arya herself?


And then on Bran in Winterfell:

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I'm disappointed we haven't seen Jojen and Meera Reed yet. At this point it feels like they are going to skip over them, unless they meet them in the woods or the swap when they flee. In this episode it seems that Osha is taking the place of Jojen in regards to knowing things and knowing about Bran's dreams.

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Old 05-01-2012, 11:07 AM   #92
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I was disappointed that Dany didn't dress in the style of the Qartheen women as described in the book.

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Old 05-01-2012, 11:14 AM   #93
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And then on Bran in Winterfell:

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I'm disappointed we haven't seen Jojen and Meera Reed yet. At this point it feels like they are going to skip over them, unless they meet them in the woods or the swap when they flee. In this episode it seems that Osha is taking the place of Jojen in regards to knowing things and knowing about Bran's dreams.

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I'll be greatly disappointed if they leave them out. It would also mean that Rickon will probably accompany them them to The Wall and beyond

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Old 05-01-2012, 11:40 AM   #94
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Didn't someone say in an interview that each season would not be equal to a single book? If that's true then they can make however many seasons they want from each book.
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Old 05-01-2012, 12:30 PM   #95
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In my opinion, they'd almost have to follow book two for season two because it ends on some pretty big stuff. Most the books do because GRRM knows how to leave you hanging.
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Old 05-01-2012, 12:32 PM   #96
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I'll be greatly disappointed if they leave them out. It would also mean that Rickon will probably accompany them them to The Wall and beyond
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Yeah. I guess there is still time in the next episode to introduce them, before Theon gets there...

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Old 05-01-2012, 01:12 PM   #97
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I guess for me it doesn't bother me much knowing it's coming up, because I already had the effect from reading the book. And I have to admit, I've had times that I've sat there swearing at the book after things happened .

Hmm, pondered putting this in without spoilering it, but there's probably people that would get annoyed. There's no specific spoiler information in what's below, more of a generic comment on the topic of death in this show.

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I do think for those that have played the book you could play a great drinking game. Every time someone comes on screen that is going to die, you take a drink. Not sure anyone would ever make it through an episode though .
This is how I feel, and there are times reading the book where I had to put it down and sit there in shock and disbelief. I still enjoy seeing the events played out though.
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The soap box guy is lucky that none of King Jeffy's minions heard him. They'd cut out his tongue and then start hurting him.
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Old 05-01-2012, 02:42 PM   #99
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Here is what I recall from an interview with the showrunners (not spoilers, just season/book relationships):

This season will be Book Two. But starting next year, they no longer feel the need to be tied book=season. They intend to use two seasons to cover Book Three, and additionally, if they see the need to move certain story points around, they will. IOW, if something from Book Four makes sense to cover in Season Three, they will.
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Old 05-01-2012, 02:46 PM   #100
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How do the Qartheen women dress in the book? I assume it is naked-ish based on the response, but yet I ask.
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Old 05-01-2012, 02:51 PM   #101
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How do the Qartheen women dress in the book? I assume it is naked-ish based on the response, but yet I ask.
They basically have one breast uncovered. Big opportunity lost HBO!


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Old 05-01-2012, 03:33 PM   #102
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A typical GoT thread. Starts out talking about the TV show then dissolves into spoilers and non-spoilers about the books.

Can't we just talk about the TV show in a TV forum? The book talk makes a jumble out of the whole thing and makes my head hurt.

I guess I will no longer even open a GoT thread anymore. They are just a waste of time...
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:34 PM   #103
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This is how I feel, and there are times reading the book where I had to put it down and sit there in shock and disbelief. I still enjoy seeing the events played out though.
Ditto. It's fun to see how well they play things out from the books. The book in and of themselves are amazing. There are definitely lots of shockers that have you sitting there going, WHAT?!?!. More so than any other book or series I have read.

I'm usually a watch the show first/ read the book later kind of guy but I'm glad I've read the books beforehand as the stories are so rich and complicated.
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:41 PM   #104
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A typical GoT thread. Starts out talking about the TV show then dissolves into spoilers and non-spoilers about the books.

Can't we just talk about the TV show in a TV forum? The book talk makes a jumble out of the whole thing and makes my head hurt.

I guess I will no longer even open a GoT thread anymore. They are just a waste of time...
It's inevitable with a series of this size that's based on such notable books that you're going to get some crossover.
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:55 PM   #105
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A typical GoT thread. Starts out talking about the TV show then dissolves into spoilers and non-spoilers about the books.

Can't we just talk about the TV show in a TV forum? The book talk makes a jumble out of the whole thing and makes my head hurt.

I guess I will no longer even open a GoT thread anymore. They are just a waste of time...
But there are no spoilers that are visible. I've resigned myself to just having to deal with it and resist the temptation to read them because of how awesome moments like Renly's death are for me not having any clue it's coming.

Plus some people **coughcoughmecough** have a lot to say! Don't not converse with me over the show because others are referring to the book.
(and frankly other than a few spoilers all book talk in here has been legitimate talk I thought)
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:59 PM   #106
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They basically have one breast uncovered. Big opportunity lost HBO!

I was surprised, there was no nudity in this episode. Is that a first?!?
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I've heard that there is a thread somewhere for book readers, but the only one I found, no one was posting on. Last season I hadn't read the books and liked having those who had here to set us straight on things that were in the episode but hard to pick up. Plus I like the long thread better than 2 short ones.
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Old 05-01-2012, 05:44 PM   #108
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A typical GoT thread. Starts out talking about the TV show then dissolves into spoilers and non-spoilers about the books.

Can't we just talk about the TV show in a TV forum? The book talk makes a jumble out of the whole thing and makes my head hurt.

I guess I will no longer even open a GoT thread anymore. They are just a waste of time...
I agree... keep the book discussion out of the TV show thread. It's like there are two threads mixed together here.
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And I'm the one that got called out about being a spoiler nazi!
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I've heard that there is a thread somewhere for book readers, but the only one I found, no one was posting on. Last season I hadn't read the books and liked having those who had here to set us straight on things that were in the episode but hard to pick up. Plus I like the long thread better than 2 short ones.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=468391 is the thread that was intended for allowing book discussion. It is in the Happy Hour section.
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http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=468391 is the thread that was intended for allowing book discussion. It is in the Happy Hour section.
Except it's not appropriate unless you've read all the books, which many haven't, including myself.
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Except it's not appropriate unless you've read all the books, which many haven't, including myself.
So then you should appreciate those of us who HAVEN'T READ ANY OF THE BOOKS.
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So then you should appreciate those of us who HAVEN'T READ ANY OF THE BOOKS.

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So then you should appreciate those of us who HAVEN'T READ ANY OF THE BOOKS.
That's why there is a spoiler tag...

Enough of the thread derailment. Why don't we discuss the show?
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I don't understand how those that have read the books aren't disappointed watching the show, knowing everything that's coming. If I had known that Renly was bout to bite it and how he would die, I think it would have taken all the awesome impact of it for me. Maybe it's just me.
It's exciting to see how what I read is interpreted on the show. And a friend of mine was telling me he watches with a checklist in mind. Has this happened - check; is Arya saying this - check; did Bran do this - check. We compare notes every Monday morning; he's got an excellent recall of the books and can point out variances that I don't even pick up on.
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I've now watched the whole episode three times and some scenes even more. The Arya scenes seem to get better every time I watch. The stare at the end with Tywin and the conversation with Jaquen are riveting. When I started this thread I thought I was halfway through the episode only to see that it was already 9:50. I can't wait for the next episode, and yet I am afraid it will also be over too soon.
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I've now watched the whole episode three times and some scenes even more. The Arya scenes seem to get better every time I watch. The stare at the end with Tywin and the conversation with Jaquen are riveting. When I started this thread I thought I was halfway through the episode only to see that it was already 9:50. I can't wait for the next episode, and yet I am afraid it will also be over too soon.
I agree. That was a really great scene. Well done by the actress who plays Arya. She's getting good.
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They basically have one breast uncovered. Big opportunity lost HBO!

We gotta know! Left or right?
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I've now watched the whole episode three times and some scenes even more. The Arya scenes seem to get better every time I watch. The stare at the end with Tywin and the conversation with Jaquen are riveting. When I started this thread I thought I was halfway through the episode only to see that it was already 9:50. I can't wait for the next episode, and yet I am afraid it will also be over too soon.
Can we guess whether Arya's hit list ends with Tywin or Jeffy? It's gotta be one she was memorizing.

Brother Robb may be close.


BTW, why did Jaquen say he owes her 3 deaths? Because she saved the three? What happened to the maniac?

What about him led the Lannisters to suit him up for their army?
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BTW, why did Jaquen say he owes her 3 deaths? Because she saved the three? What happened to the maniac?
Yes, because she saved three lives. He said three lives were due to the Red God and she took them from him, so she has to give them back.

We haven't seen the other two I don't believe.

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