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Old 05-26-2014, 11:34 AM   #1471
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Yep, the ratings are only one component of determining whether or not a show gets renewed. A big component, but not the only one. Production costs and ownership of the show are a couple of others. I believe Almost Human was probably done in by high production costs without the ratings to justify the high cost.
Right. Of course, the ratings have to justify the costs. Cost is part of the reason that Terra Nova was cancelled as well. We've seen other shows owned by the network get a pass while other shows not owned by the network get canned. But, again, Live +SD ratings are the primary driver. Don't get me wrong, that chart is interesting to see the 'real' ratings, but it has no or little effect on whether or not a show gets renewed. Few if any of the shows on that list actually reached the ratings posted there in Live+SD.
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Old 05-26-2014, 04:23 PM   #1472
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Don't the ratings in general always go down in the Spring. As people start spending more time outside.
They do. Fox just went lower than expected.
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Old 05-26-2014, 04:41 PM   #1473
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Even if they have the L+3, comparing that to L+7 isn't accurate either. Plus, like Worf said, those numbers don't really matter anyway when it comes to a show staying on the air. So being surprised that a show higher on this list was cancelled while a lower show was renewed is kind of silly because the numbers on that list don't determine whether a show gets renewed.
I still think you're misunderstanding the chart. It's not comparing shows with L+3 data against shows with L+7 data against shows with L+SD data. It's simply taking the full season's ratings, from late September until April 20. Most of that time is L+7 data, which would be everything from late September until early April. Then it would add in L+3 for a couple weeks in early April. And then it would have L+SD data for only those last couple days before April 20 when there isn't L+3 yet.
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Old 05-27-2014, 07:13 AM   #1474
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Yep, the ratings are only one component of determining whether or not a show gets renewed. A big component, but not the only one. Production costs and ownership of the show are a couple of others. I believe Almost Human was probably done in by high production costs without the ratings to justify the high cost.
That's what I'm guessing too. With all the tech in that show (and a show like Intelligence) it probably costs more to produce. And we're not seeing ad rates either. Perhaps they weren't high enough to justify keeping going, or they couldn't sell ads at a high enough rate to justify production costs. Plus, these days those watching on DVR are not nearly as valuable than those watching live with some percentage of those folks not even bothering with ads.
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Old 05-27-2014, 02:24 PM   #1475
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That's what I'm guessing too. With all the tech in that show (and a show like Intelligence) it probably costs more to produce. And we're not seeing ad rates either. Perhaps they weren't high enough to justify keeping going, or they couldn't sell ads at a high enough rate to justify production costs. Plus, these days those watching on DVR are not nearly as valuable than those watching live with some percentage of those folks not even bothering with ads.
We've also got to remember that when a network decides to cancel a show, it's not always because the show wasn't profitable or that production costs were too high or that ad rates were too low. Prime-time slots on the broadcast networks are a finite commodity. Therefore, any show taking up one of those spots is preventing another show from taking that spot. So if a network exec feels that Show A (even if Show A is profitable) is taking up valuable real estate that could be used by Show B (because the exec thinks Show B will be more profitable that Show A), then the exec will cancel Show A to make room for Show B.

More often than not, Show B does no better than Show A. But the network execs are always trying to find the "next big thing." After airing a few episodes of Show A, it's now a known commodity and if it's not a huge hit, it's unlikely to ever become one. So they're much more likely to cut ties with Show A so they can see what Show B will do, because there is this eternal sense of optimism at the broadcast networks that the next show they premiere will be "the one." And as soon as a show proves that it's not "the one," it is taking up space that could be used for Show C and Show D and Show E that the execs are all sure will be "the one."
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Old 05-27-2014, 06:38 PM   #1476
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The big thing these days is if the show is owned by the network or not. That could be the difference between being picked up and not.

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