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Old 05-14-2012, 03:58 PM   #121
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Some Survivor related comments, from TBTN:

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On CBS, the two house Survivor finale earned a 2.8 rating among adults 18-49, compared to a 2.7 for last week's finale of The Amazing Race and down 30% from last spring's Survivor finale for the show's lowest rated finale ever. At 10pm, The Survivor reunion scored a 2.4 adults 18-49 rating up from the 1.2 NYC 22 earned in the time period last week and down 29% from last spring's Survivor reunion for the series lowest rated reunion ever. At 7PM, 60 Minutes got a season low 1.2 down from last week's 1.6.
This fits with my perception. For the first time ever, I quit watching Survivor in mid-season. Prior to now, I'd never missed an episode in 22 (?) seasons.
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Old 05-15-2012, 01:10 PM   #122
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Broadcast primetime ratings for Monday, May 14 2012:

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Time    Net     Show                                18-49   Viewers
8:00    CBS     How I Met Your Mother               3.6/10  8.49
        NBC     America's Got Talent(8-10PM)Premr   3.6/10  10.30
        ABC     Dancing with the Stars              2.4/7   14.75
        FOX     Bones (season finale)               1.9/5   7.07
        CW      Gossip Girl (season finale)         0.6/2   1.17

9:00    CBS     Two and a Half Men (season finale)  3.8/10  11.33
        ABC     Dancing with the Stars (9-9:30PM)   2.9/8   17.15
        FOX     House                               2.2/6   6.45
        CW      Hart Of Dixie (season finale)       0.6/1   1.53

9:30    CBS     Mike & Molly (season finale)        3.3/8   11.63
        ABC     The Bachelorette (Premiere)         2.6/7   9.33

10:00   CBS     Hawaii 5-0 (season finale)          2.7/7   11.29
        ABC     The Bachelorette (Premiere)         2.5/7   7.71
        NBC     Smash (season finale)               1.8/5   6.06

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This fits with my perception. For the first time ever, I quit watching Survivor in mid-season. Prior to now, I'd never missed an episode in 22 (?) seasons.
I just wonder if Survivor has run it's course. Too much of the same old same old, no matter how they tweak it. One problem I have with it, is that the locations are mostly the same type of location. They haven't deviated in awhile. I like the first few years with Australia and Africa and other interesting places. Last few have been tropical beaches. It makes for boring scenery (outside of the contestants themselves), and boring reward challenges.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:03 PM   #124
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The Wikipedia entry for Nielsen ratings has the ratings for the #1 show for each season and it's interesting to see just how far the ratings for network televsion have fallen over the years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_ratings

Obviously a combination of more choices and people doing or watching other things.

Highest season rating of all time: I Love Lucy 67.3 1952-1953
Last show to get a 40 rating: Gunsmoke 40.3 1959-1960
Last show to get a 30 rating: The Cosby Show 34.9 1986-1987
Last show to get a 20 rating: Seinfeld 21.7 1997-1998

Last year American Idol was #1 at 14.5.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:07 PM   #125
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I just wonder if Survivor has run it's course. Too much of the same old same old, no matter how they tweak it. One problem I have with it, is that the locations are mostly the same type of location. They haven't deviated in awhile. I like the first few years with Australia and Africa and other interesting places. Last few have been tropical beaches. It makes for boring scenery (outside of the contestants themselves), and boring reward challenges.
I think the game itself has become formulaic. It's like all of the contestants have read the Survivor Strategy Book and are all following the same path. The same thing happens every year.
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I just wonder if Survivor has run it's course. Too much of the same old same old, no matter how they tweak it. One problem I have with it, is that the locations are mostly the same type of location. They haven't deviated in awhile. I like the first few years with Australia and Africa and other interesting places. Last few have been tropical beaches. It makes for boring scenery (outside of the contestants themselves), and boring reward challenges.
Actually, four of the last six seasons have been filmed in the same place (Samoa), so that would explain it.

However, the actual location rarely matters. Of the 24 seasons they've aired so far, only a handful were not located on tropical beaches, and most of those were located near some kind of water in a warm location.

To me, it's the challenges and the contestants that make the show, not the location.
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I think the game itself has become formulaic. It's like all of the contestants have read the Survivor Strategy Book and are all following the same path. The same thing happens every year.
That's true. I also think that when they cast the show, they too often go for certain "types" rather than actually throw together random people, which would be far more interesting.
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People over in the AGT thread are making a big deal about the ratings drop from last years's 4.3 premiere. I'm surprised it did as well as it did this year given the much tougher competition it faced this year, especially with a bunch of season finales.
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Old 05-15-2012, 03:39 PM   #129
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People over in the AGT thread are making a big deal about the ratings drop from last years's 4.3 premiere. I'm surprised it did as well as it did this year given the much tougher competition it faced this year, especially with a bunch of season finales.
Exactly. Last year it premiered in the summer with virtually no other network competition. This year, they must have thought that Howard Stern would give them the credibility to make a dent during the season, but people probably aren't looking for AGT yet, since those that watch know it's a summer show.
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Monday's finals are in. HIMYM, 2.5 Men, Mike & Molly, Bachelorette, and AGT all up one tenth.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:40 PM   #131
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Broadcast primetime ratings for Tuesday, May 15, 2012:

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Time    Net     Show                            18-49   Viewers
8:00    CBS     NCIS (Season Finale)            3.5/11  18.70
        NBC     America's Got Talent (8-10PM)   3.4/10  10.41
        FOX     Glee                            2.4/8   6.03
        ABC     Cougar Town                     1.0/3   3.35
        CW      90210 (Season Finale)           0.5/2   1.09
                
8:30    ABC     Cougar Town                     1.0/3   3.31
                
9:00    CBS     NCIS: Los Angeles (9-11PM)      3.0/8   15.12
                (Season Finale)
        FOX     Glee                            2.5/7   6.03
        ABC     Dancing with the Stars Results  2.2/6   12.94
        CW      L.A. Complex                    0.2/1   0.57
                
10:00   ABC     Private Practice (Season Finale)1.8/5   7.05
        NBC     Fashion Star (Season Finale)    1.6/4   4.92

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I think CBS won the day. Is L.A. Complex the worst rated show on television this season? With just over a half a million viewers, that's pathetic! Poor CW.
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Old 05-16-2012, 05:28 PM   #133
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Yeah, the NICS's swept the night.

For me, I finally caught up on all the Sunday recordings, as I don't watch a single show that aired last night. Whereas Sunday had all four tuners working overtime.
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Old 05-17-2012, 01:00 PM   #134
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Overnight ratings for Wednesday, May 16, 2012:

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Time    Net     Show                                18-49   Viewers
8:00    FOX     American Idol (8-10PM)              4.8/14  17.29
        ABC     The Middle                          1.9/6   6.49
        NBC     Betty's White's Off Their Rockers   1.4/5   5.11
        CBS     Mike & Molly - R                    1.1/4   4.46
        CW      America's Next Top Model - R        0.4/1   0.80
                
8:30    ABC     Suburgatory (season finale)         1.8/6   5.42
        NBC     Betty's White's Off Their Rockers   1.5/5   5.40
        CBS     Rules of Engagement - R             1.1/3   4.02
                
9:00    ABC     Modern Family                       3.9/11  9.30
        CBS     Criminal Minds (9-11PM)             3.5/10  13.47
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        NBC     Law & Order: SVU - R                0.8/2   2.84
        CW      America's Next Top Model            0.5/1   1.10
                
9:30    ABC     Donít Trust The B in Apartment 23   2.0/5   4.84
                
10:00   ABC     Revenge                             2.0/5   6.85
        NBC     Law & Order: SVU                    1.7/5   5.50

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Old 05-17-2012, 01:12 PM   #135
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Looks like people were watching one of three things last night. Talk about all or nothing.
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Old 05-18-2012, 01:52 PM   #136
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Overnight ratings for Thursday, May 17, 2012:
SF = Season Finale


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Time    Net     Show                        18-49   Viewers
8:00    FOX     American Idol               4.2/14  15.85
        CBS     The Big Bang Theory - R     2.4/8   8.30
        ABC     Missing (Series Finale)     1.3/4   6.49
        NBC     Community                   1.3/5   2.99
        CW      Perez Hilton All Access     0.3/1   0.97
                
8:30    CBS     Rules of Engagement (SF)    2.1/7   7.28
        NBC     30 Rock (SF)                1.3/4   2.85
                
9:00    ABC     Grey's Anatomy (SF)         3.9/11  11.15
        CBS     Person Of Interest (SF)     2.5/7   13.35
        FOX     Touch                       1.8/5   6.34
        NBC     Community                   1.3/4   2.60
        CW      Vampire Diaries - R         0.2/1   0.71
                
9:30    NBC     Community (SF)              1.3/4   2.49
                
10:00   CBS     The Mentalist (SF)          2.5/7   12.96
        ABC     Scandal (SF)                2.4/7   7.52
        NBC     Awake                       0.7/2   2.11

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It really is amazing how far network ratings have fallen. A couple of days ago, I was looking up some info for the Survivor thread, and ran across the ratings for the second season, which was the first time it aired in the regular TV season. The first episode got a 21.8 demo rating and had 45 million viewers. That was in January 2001, so just over 11 years ago.

I remember reading an article about 5-6 years ago talking about the ratings a new show had received. IIRC, the episode had garnered a 1.9. The writer was talking about how a sub-2.0 on network TV was unheard of and that a test pattern could do better than a 2.0. Fast forward just a few years and we've got shows being renewed with ratings averages of 1.5.
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Preliminary ratings for Sunday night:

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Time	Net	Show				18-49 	18-49	Viewers
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7:00 PM	ABC	America’s Funniest Home Videos	1.5	5	5.817
	CBS	60 Minutes			1.4	5	5.000
	FOX	The Simpsons (R)		1.0	4	2.338
	NBC	America’s Got Talent (R)	1.0	3	4.282

7:30 PM	FOX	The Cleveland Show		1.3	4	3.030

8:00 PM	ABC	Billboard Music Awards (8-11)	2.7	7	7.400
	CBS	60 Minutes			1.5	4	10.128
	FOX	The Simpsons			2.1	7	4.790

8:30 PM	FOX	Bob’s Burgers			1.7	5	3.568

9:00 PM	FOX	Family Guy			2.5	6	5.286
	NBC	Celebrity Apprentice (9-11 pm)	2.2	6	6.820
	CBS	Jesse Stone Movie (9-11)	1.2	3	12.766

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If networks are going to continue using these ratings as a measure of success, it almost seems like they need to revert back to the way things were before technology took over. There are just too many places outside of the initial broadcasts for viewers to watch their shows. It's almost like they need to remove OnDemand and online viewing to force viewers to watch when shows air. I don't know how sustainable the current system is going forward. Especially after what DevDogAZ pointed out about the staggering drops in viewers the past decade.
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If networks are going to continue using these ratings as a measure of success, it almost seems like they need to revert back to the way things were before technology took over. There are just too many places outside of the initial broadcasts for viewers to watch their shows. It's almost like they need to remove OnDemand and online viewing to force viewers to watch when shows air. I don't know how sustainable the current system is going forward. Especially after what DevDogAZ pointed out about the staggering drops in viewers the past decade.
No, they just need to properly account and monetize all the ways people can watch the show. It is not brain surgery. That the still struggle with this close to eighteen years after the Internet started becoming public then who knows how much longer they need.

The problem is they are stealing money from advertisers for their tv broadcasts and nobody will pay even a decent fraction of the same rate for alternative outlets. Plus consumers will not accept large commercial loads in new media.

The advertisers push back when they can but all the marketing people have bosses and marketing budgets.

It is actually easier for them to track actual viewers with the new media outlets but like I said they are unable to sell the same exact eyeballs for the same price. So they drag their heels to protect their premium broadcast ad rates. Some day it will end. It might be 18 more years waiting for the last old school marketing and advertising people to die off but it will happen.
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An interesting article on the drop of ratings for AI:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/ar...er=rss&emc=rss

So are people just tiring of the show or do they not like the judges or are the contestants just boring? I don't know as I don't watch AI.
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I think it's ridiculous for anyone to expect ratings for AI NOT to fall. It's finishing its 11th season. It's completely formulaic. They should be thrilled with the run they've had and realize that over the next couple of years it will simply become just another show on TV and not the dominant force it has been for a decade. I don't think there's anything that could be done (new judges, new host, format changes, etc.) at this point to prevent the ratings from continuing to slide. It's just the nature of TV. Things lose their luster after a period of time. Everyone should be grateful the luster stayed bright for so long on AI.
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By the way, here are the final ratings for Monday night:

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Time	Net	Show				18-49 	18-49	Viewers
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8:00PM 	NBC	America’s Got Talent		3.2	9	9.660
	ABC	Dancing with the Stars		2.9	8	16.840
	FOX	House (retrospective)		2.1	6	6..270
	CBS	How I Met Your Mother (R)	1.3	4	4.060
	CW	One Tree Hill (R)		0.3	1	0.570

9:30PM	CBS	2 Broke Girls (R)		1.6	4	4.620

9:00PM	FOX	House (series finale)		2.9	8	8.720
	ABC	The Bachelorette (9-11 pm)	2.4	6	7.530
	NBC	America Ninja Warrior (9-11pm)	2.4	6	6.200
	CBS	Two and a Half Men (R)		2.0	5	7.230
	CW	One Tree Hill (R)		0.2	1	0.530

9:30PM	CBS	Mike & Molly (R)		1.6	4	6.290

10:00PM	CBS	Clash of the Commercials	1.3	4	5.960

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Here are the preliminary ratings for Tuesday night:

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Time	Net	Show				18-49 	18-49	Viewers
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8:00 PM	FOX	American Idol			4.2	13	14.391
	NBC	America’s Got Talent (R)	1.6	5	5.289
	ABC	Dancing with the Stars (R)	1.3	4	8.775
	CBS	NCIS: Los Angeles		1.1	4	7.472
	CW	Hart of Dixie (R)		0.3	1	0.888

9:00 PM	NBC	America’s Got Talent		3.2	9	9.292
	ABC	Dancing with the Stars (9-11)	3.2	9	17.481
	FOX	Glee				3.0	8	7.644
	CBS	NCIS (R)			1.6	5	9.156
	CW	The L.A. Complex		0.2	1	0.448

10:00PM	CBS	NCIS (R)			1.8	5	9.286
	NBC	Dateline NBC			1.6	4	5.054

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At 8 p.m. last night, 73% of persons 18-49 who were watching TV were watching something on cable. Wow.
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At 8 p.m. last night, 73% of persons 18-49 who were watching TV were watching something on cable. Wow.
And at 10 pm, it was 82%. Last Thursday at 9 pm, which is supposed to be the hottest hour of the week on broadcast TV, it was 72%. I just don't think it's that uncommon for 70+% of people to be watching cable at any given time anymore. And next year at this time, we'll probably look back and say it's not that uncommon for 75-80% of people to be watching cable.
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Well, The CW sure has a winner in The L.A. Complex, don't they? How can that be still on the air? It's getting worse ratings than Ringer ever did. I wonder just how long the CW network can continue to exist with poor performance.
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Glee only kept half of the Idol lead in. That can't be good.
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Well, The CW sure has a winner in The L.A. Complex, don't they? How can that be still on the air? It's getting worse ratings than Ringer ever did. I wonder just how long the CW network can continue to exist with poor performance.
It's a Canadian show they didn't produce and they're probably not paying much for it, so it's no big loss.

I really don't know how long CW can continue to get sub 0.5 ratings and stay in business. And I'm really not sure why anyone classifies them as a "broadcast" network and covers them along with the Big Four. The only air 10 hours of programming per week. They really should get less attention than most of the more popular cable nets.
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Glee only kept half of the Idol lead in. That can't be good.
Nothing has been able to hold onto even half the Idol lead in for years. It's why FOX has decided to put Glee on after Idol next year rather than trying to use Idol to launch or grow something else. They're resigned to the fact that most Idol viewers just aren't going to stick around, and Glee is the most compatible show they could put there.
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