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Old 10-15-2013, 09:49 AM   #1081
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Here are the live+7 numbers for premiere week.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...n-prem/208745/

Network viewership doesn't look as bad when you factor in people who watch it later on in the week. Too bad the networks don't know how to get money on it beyond live +3.
NBC has to be happy about this re: The Blacklist. The prevailing thought was it was being helped by The Voice. But if people are watching this later, maybe The Voice is only partially helping it.

I might have to go back and take a look at this series. It's premise didn't really interest me so I skipped it, but maybe there's something more to it. I probably still won't like it, but I'll give it a shot.
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NBC has to be happy about this re: The Blacklist. The prevailing thought was it was being helped by The Voice. But if people are watching this later, maybe The Voice is only partially helping it.

I might have to go back and take a look at this series. It's premise didn't really interest me so I skipped it, but maybe there's something more to it. I probably still won't like it, but I'll give it a shot.
Here is Ken Levine's thoughts/review on The Blacklist so far...
http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2013/1...blacklist.html
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Here is Ken Levine's thoughts/review on The Blacklist so far...
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Spoilers in the link?
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Guess I won't read it then, but thanks anyway.
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Guess I won't read it then, but thanks anyway.
The salient points, without the spoilers:

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"Okay, I was one of those geeks who was totally intrigued by THE BLACKLIST. The premise sounded very cool – a chilling mastermind super villain is willing to help the FBI catch a list of the world’s worst evil doers in exchange for working with one specific hot FBI profiler. It’s SILENCE OF THE LAMBS meets MY NAME IS EARL. James Spader is always at his best when he plays weird characters and the girl, Megan Boone, is suitably TV attractive."

"I watched the pilot and liked it. There were a few bumps like..."

"But the show was fun and I set a season pass. Week two was somewhat disappointing."

"As is so often the case, once you get past the cool premise pilot and have to sustain the contrivance things start to fall apart. Suddenly the jumps in logic start becoming jarring. The far fetched premise alone uses up their allotment of creative license. By week two I was already going “what the f***?” That’s generally not a good sign."

"By week three the show was seriously stupid. A ridiculous convoluted plot..."

"I may be bailing on THE BLACKLIST soon. I’m asking the question the network apparently didn’t ask when they first heard the pitch – “What happens week four?”
I still like it, despite how unbelievable it is. It's just entertainment.
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I still like it, despite how unbelievable it is. It's just entertainment.
Thanks. Sounds like so many of these types of shows that have promise and fizzle out that we've seen over the last few years. I'm still on the fence about it and maybe if I catch up with the other shows I need to watch, I'll give it a go.
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Broadcast primetime ratings for Monday, October 14, 2013:
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Time  Net    Show                       18-49 Rtg/Shr    Viewers (millions)
8:00  NBC    The Voice (8-10PM)         4.5/12           13.79
      CBS    How I Met Your Mother      3.0/9            8.00
      ABC    DWTS (8-10PM)              2.1/6            12.79
      FOX    Bones                      2.0/6            7.10
      CW     Hart Of Dixie              0.4/1            1.07
                                                         
8:30  CBS    2 Broke Girls              2.5/7            7.88
                                                         
9:00  FOX    Sleepy Hollow              2.6/7            7.54
      CBS    The Big Bang Theory - R    2.2/6            8.49
      CW     Beauty & the Beast         0.3/1            0.924
                                                         
9:30  CBS    Mom                        1.9/5            7.33
                                                         
10:00 NBC    The Blacklist              3.2/9            11.44
      ABC    Castle                     2.2/6            11.09
      CBS    Hostages                   1.2/3            5.22
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Last night’s Monday Night Football game (Colts/Chargers) was simulcast on the NBC affiliate in Indianapolis. As a result, NBC numbers may be inflated and subject to more than typical adjustments in the finals.

NBC was number one in Adults 18-49 and with total viewers.

On NBC, The Voice earned a 4.5 down 2 percent from last week's 4.6 adults 18-49 rating. The Blacklist garnered a 3.2 up 3 percent from last week’s 3.1 adults 18-49 rating. NBC’s line up was pre-empted in Indianapolis for football, so these numbers may be inflated.

On CBS, How I Met Your Mother matched last week's 3.0 adults 18-49 rating. The timeslot premiere of 2 Broke Girls notched a 2.5 up 9 percent from last week's series low 2.3 adults 18-49 rating. Mom garnered a 1.9 down 10 percent from last week's 2.1 adults 18-49 rating. Your predictions were accurate for 2 Broke Girls but too optimistic for Mom. Hostages matched last week's series low 1.2 adults 18-49 rating.

On FOX, Bones scored a 2.0 down 5 percent from last week's 2.1 adults 18-49 rating. Sleepy Hollow garnered a 2.6 down 7 percent from last week's 2.8 adults 18-49 rating.

On ABC, Dancing with the Stars earned a 2.1, 5 percent from last week's 2.0 adults 18-49 rating. Castle notched a 2.2 up 16 percent from last week's 1.9 adults 18-49 rating.

On the CW, the season premiere of Hart Of Dixie matched last week’s 0.4. BEAUTY AND THE BEAST scored a 0.3, even with last week’s adults 18-49 rating.
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Do people really consider live+7 ratings? Considering most would be DVR users and skip commercials, it wouldn't seem too relevant as they're not getting ad impressions, so those viewers don't count. Who cares if a show gets another 5M viewers a week after airing if none of those 5M saw the ads?
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Who cares if a show gets another 5M viewers a week after airing if none of those 5M saw the ads?
The network PR departments.
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and the scheduling department. if there is continued, strong interest, just not when aired live, a schedule change might help (or, kill the show).
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Wow, surprised how low the ratings for The Amazing Race were. I wonder if that was just a factor of there being a football game and a baseball game being played at the same time, or if the ratings for this season will finally be so low they'll have to cancel the show.
It was because of The Walking Dead. It was the number 2 show for the week, just slightly behind Sunday Night Football.
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:13 AM   #1093
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Do people really consider live+7 ratings? Considering most would be DVR users and skip commercials, it wouldn't seem too relevant as they're not getting ad impressions, so those viewers don't count. Who cares if a show gets another 5M viewers a week after airing if none of those 5M saw the ads?
For me, I'm more likely to watch a commercial with a DVR. If I see something I am interested in, I will back up and watch it.
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Slight detour into...

TV’s Highest-Paid Actors

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entert...,3864350.story

1. Ashton Kutcher $24 million

2. Jon Cryer $21 million

3. Ray Romano $16 million

4. Neil Patrick Harris $15 million (tie)

4. Mark Harmon $15 million (tie)

6. Patrick Dempsey: $13 million

7. Tim Allen: $11 million (tie)

7. Angus T. Jones $11 million (tie)

9. Michael C. Hall: $10 million (tie)

9. Charlie Sheen: $10 million (tie)

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The CBS sitcom star earned an estimated $24 million dollars over the past fiscal year, topping Forbes’ annual list of TV’s Highest-Paid Actors. The rankings also factor in earnings in addition to the actor’s primary TV vehicle.

His co-star, Jon Cryer, is runner-up with $21 million in earnings. Angus T. Jones, also in the comedy’s opening and closing credits, is seventh on the Forbes list with $11 million in earnings.

Not bad for the Chuck Lorre cast — it pays be to be syndicated.

Ray Romano is third on the list with an estimated $16 million. The comedian makes the vast majority of that bread from “Everybody Loves Raymond,” though he qualifies for the list due to his current role on “Parenthood.”

Mark Harmon and Neil Patrick Harris tied for fourth, each becoming $15 million richer in 2012-2013.

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http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2013/1...blacklist.html
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It was because of The Walking Dead. It was the number 2 show for the week, just slightly behind Sunday Night Football.
Two responses to that: 1. TAR isn't on at the same time as The Walking Dead, and 2. from the numbers I saw, TWD was rated higher than SNF, at least in the 18-49 demo.
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Slight detour into...

TV’s Highest-Paid Actors

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entert...,3864350.story

1. Ashton Kutcher $24 million

2. Jon Cryer $21 million

3. Ray Romano $16 million

4. Neil Patrick Harris $15 million (tie)

4. Mark Harmon $15 million (tie)

6. Patrick Dempsey: $13 million

7. Tim Allen: $11 million (tie)

7. Angus T. Jones $11 million (tie)

9. Michael C. Hall: $10 million (tie)

9. Charlie Sheen: $10 million (tie)
All I can say in response to this is...

Someone is paying Jon Cryer $21 million? Seriously?
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Broadcast primetime ratings for Tuesday, October 15, 2013:

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Time  Net   Show                       18-49      Viewers (Millions)
8:00  CBS   NCIS                       3.0/9      18.43
      ABC   S.H.I.E.L.D.               2.7/8      7.68
      NBC   The Biggest Loser: Prem    2.2/7      7.00
      FOX   Dads                       1.4/4      3.40
      CW    The Originals              1.1/3      2.20
                                                  
8:30  FOX   Brooklyn Nine-Nine         1.5/4      3.41
                                                  
9:00  NBC   The Voice                  3.9/10     12.69
      CBS   NCIS: Los Angeles          2.6/7      14.68
      FOX   New Girl                   1.8/5      3.48
      ABC   The Goldbergs              1.6/4      5.08
      CW    Supernatural               1.1/3      2.31
                                                  
9:30PMFOX   The Mindy Project          1.4/4      2.83
      ABC   Trophy Wife                1.3/3      4.07
                                                  
10:00 NBC   Chicago Fire               2.4/7      8.25
      CBS   Person Of Interest         2.1/6      12.42
      ABC   Scandal - R                0.7/2      2.77
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NBC was the number one network in adults 18-49 while CBS was on top with total viewers.

On NBC, the season premiere of The Biggest Loser earned a 2.2 adults 18-49 rating down 27 percent from a 3.0 for last season’s two hour premiere on Sunday, January 6. It was the series lowest rated premiere ever. The Voice earned a 3.9 adults 18-49 rating, up 30 percent from last week’s clip show but down 13 percent from a 4.5 for the most recent Tuesday original two weeks ago. Chicago Fire scored a 2.4 up 14 percent from last week’s 2.1 adults 18-49 rating.

On CBS NCIS notched a 3.0 up 7 percent from last week's 2.8 adults 18-49 rating. The 100th episode of NCIS: Los Angeles matched last week's 2.6 adults 18-49 rating. Person Of Interest garnered a 2.1 up 5 percent from last week’s series low 2.0 adults 18-49 rating.

On ABC, Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. earned a 2.7 down 7 percent from last week's 2.9 adults 18-49 rating. The Goldbergs garnered a series low 1.6 down 16 percent from last week's 1.9 adults 18-49 rating. Trophy Wife fell to a 1.3 down 7 percent from last week's 1.4 adults 18-49 rating.

On FOX, Dads scored a 1.4 up 8 percent from last week's 1.3 adults 18-49 rating. Brooklyn Nine-Nine matched last week's 1.5 adults 18-49 rating. New Girl garnered a 1.8 down 14 percent from last week's 2.1 adults 18-49 rating. The Mindy Project matched last week's 1.4 adults 18-49 rating.

On the CW, The Originals earned a 1.1, up 22 percent from last week’s 0.9 adults 18-49 rating. Supernatural scored a 1.1 down 8 percent from a 1.2 adults 18-49 rating for last week’s premiere.
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All I can say in response to this is...

Someone is paying Jon Cryer $21 million? Seriously?
Nope. No one person or corporation. The list is of an actors earnings for the year, not salary. So it is a combination of residuals from reruns and commercials, plus salary from new commercials, guest spots and of course Two and a Half Men, and any other sources of income, perhaps from personal appearances.
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Nope. No one person or corporation. The list is of an actors earnings for the year, not salary. So it is a combination of residuals from reruns and commercials, plus salary from new commercials, guest spots and of course Two and a Half Men, and any other sources of income, perhaps from personal appearances.
OK, I'll change it to....Jon Cryer makes $21 million a year? Seriously?
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OK, I'll change it to....Jon Cryer makes $21 million a year? Seriously?
Even more surprising

Angus T. Jones makes $11 million a year?
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Even more surprising

Angus T. Jones makes $11 million a year?
That's why he's the half.
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Even more surprising

Angus T. Jones makes $11 million a year?
I have no idea who he is!!

Edit: I guess he's the third person on Two and a Half Men
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Overnight ratings for Wednesday, October 16, 2013:

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Time  Net   Show                       18-49     Viewers (millions)
8:00  ABC   Toy Story of TERROR!       3.0/9     10.29
      CBS   Survivor                   2.5/7     9.89
      FOX   MLB Baseball (8-11PM)      2.4/7     8.06
      NBC   Revolution                 1.4/4     5.39
      CW    Arrow                      1.1/3     3.02
                                                 
8:30  ABC   Back In The Game           1.8/5     6.24
                                                 
9:00  ABC   Modern Family              4.0/11    10.85
      CBS   Criminal Minds             2.7/7     10.95
      NBC   Law & Order: SVU           1.7/5     5.39
      CW    The Tommorow People        0.8/2     2.16
                                                 
9:30  ABC   Super Fun Night            2.1/6     6.02
                                                 
10:00 CBS   CSI                        2.0/6     9.43
      ABC   Nashville                  1.7/5     5.75
      NBC   Ironside                   1.1/3     4.91
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CBS, ABC and FOX tied for number one in adults 18-49 while CBS was on top with total viewers.

On ABC, the special Toy Story of TERROR! earned a 3.0 up 27 perccent from The Middle’s 2.2 adults 18-49 rating in the time period last week. Back in the Game matched last week's 1.8 adults 18-49 rating. Modern Family garnered a 4.0 up 3 percent from last week’s 3.9 adults 18-49 rating. Super Fun Night notched a 2.1 down 16 percent from last week's 2.5 adults 18-49 rating. Nashville earned a 1.7 up 6 percent from last week's 1.6 adults 18-49 rating.

On CBS, Survivor matched last week's 2.5 adults 18-49 rating. Criminal Minds earned a 2.7 up 4 percent from last week's 2.6 adults 18-49 rating. CSI garnered a 2.0 up 5 percent from last week's series low 1.9 adults 18-49 rating.

On FOX, MLB Baseball American League Championship earned a preliminary 2.4 adults 18-49 rating, even with Sunday’s fast nationals, but up 71 percent from a preliminary 1.4 for last year’s NLCS Game 4 on October 18, 2012.

On NBC, Revolution earned a series low 1.4 down 7 percent from last week's 1.5 adults 18-49 rating. Law And Order: SVU scored a 1.7 up 6 percent, from last week's 1.6 adults 18-49 rating. Ironside matched last week's 1.1 adults 18-49 rating.

On the CW, Arrow earned a 1.1, up 22 percent from last week's 0.9 adults 18-49. The Tomorrow People earned a 0.8 adults 18-49 rating, down 11 percent from last week’s 0.9.
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Even more surprising

Angus T. Jones makes $11 million a year?
It's all about the syndication. IMDb says he's been in 224 episodes and they're playing all the time in syndication. Even though he's rarely on the show anymore, I'm sure he still makes plenty of money from residuals. His salary for the current season of the show is probably relatively small, since he's basically been written out of the show.

Similarly, I'll bet a big chunk of Ashton Kutcher's number is from residuals for That 70's Show since he hasn't been on Two and a Half Men long enough to get the kind of residuals that Cryer, Jones, and Sheen get.
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On NBC, Revolution earned a series low 1.4 down 7 percent from last week's 1.5 adults 18-49 rating.
Every single episode this season has been a series low. When can we pull the plug? Or restore the power, then pull the plug...
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Every single episode this season has been a series low. When can we pull the plug? Or restore the power, then pull the plug...
It's under contract for the full season, and they probably did international sales that mean NBC isn't losing money on the show. So until they have something else that they think would do better in that slot (and nothing else currently on their schedule should make them think that), then there's really no reason to scrap the show when they're still obligated to make all the episodes.
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If the trend continues, something will have to break.
That's hardly at the top of NBC's list of things to worry about. I just calculated their ratings over the last week, excluding Saturday, Sunday Night Football, and The Voice.* Their average 18-49 rating for the rest of their shows going back to last Thursday night is a 1.51. And that number is only that good because of The Blacklist, which got a 3.2 with The Voice as a lead in, The Biggest Loser season premiere, which got a 2.2 and is sure to drop from there, and Chicago Fire, which got a 2.4, also with a lead in from The Voice. Other than those three shows, and SVU which got a 1.7, Revolution was the next highest rated show on their schedule. NBC will have to kill Ironside fairly soon. And Welcome to the Family and Sean Saves the World are also surely goners. With those two hours open, I doubt NBC will have the luxury of canceling anything else until January, and even then, they have the Olympics in February so they won't want to start anything in January and then pull it off the air for a couple weeks. So basically, I'd say Revolution is safe at least until after the Olympics, and then they'll hope to get a ratings boost from the Olympics viewers.

*Just to be fair, if I also take Friday out of the calculation (because it was an hour of repeats and two hours of Dateline), then the average for the week is a 1.7. Still not good, but slightly better.
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:30 PM   #1110
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That's hardly at the top of NBC's list of things to worry about.

<snipped info on shows I don't watch>
It's on the top of my list. I want it to die so I can stop watching. Because I'm compulsive like that.
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