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Old 04-16-2015, 09:25 AM   #1
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Exclamation The Americans | "I Am Abassin Zadran" | 2015-04-15 S3E12

That was wig-alicious...

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Old 04-16-2015, 09:45 AM   #2
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It really emphasized what amazing transformations he goes through in his various disguises. If it weren't for that very distinctive voice, he would be unrecognizable.

But if it weren't for Paige acting out, he would have been caught when Stan went to Martha's place!

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Another great show that has it's season finale too soon next week! Seems like Phillip has true feelings for Martha? Does Elizabeth realize this if true or am I reading his situation wrong?

Will be interesting to see how Paige reacts if she really goes to Russia.

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Is Paige close to having an "unfortunate and tragic accident"?


When Philip took off his wig, it looked like he was gonna start to take off fake ears, too.



Do Philip and Elizabeth know that Claudia is back? I am guessing they don't know it yet.


I wonder if they got good photos of the B2 bomber.


I like how they played the mujahideen guy. Got him to kill the other two. Guessing there go their plans for getting help from the USA.

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Is Paige close to having an "unfortunate and tragic accident"?
They certainly seem to want to make us root for it.

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Old 04-17-2015, 07:46 AM   #6
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Is Paige close to having an "unfortunate and tragic accident"?
I think it will be Martha that has the unfortunate accident...or disappears. The visit from Stan was uhm, awkward.

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WTH with the pastor, mid-week, freshly 14yo girl sleep over? That would be weird in any time period.

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Old 04-17-2015, 08:09 AM   #8
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That was another good episode and, yes, ending too early next week!!

Also mentioned in another post...what is Phillip doing with Martha? Does he have real feelings for her? I never really got that sense. However, what is next after the big reveal? Or, what WILL he reveal?

Paige, Paige, Paige. I can't even imagine what she's going through and that her mind must be going at a million miles an hour!! But, what do we think is in store?

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I think it will be Martha that has the unfortunate accident...or disappears. The visit from Stan was uhm, awkward.
Something may happen to her too. But Paige seems to be a major liability. She likes to talk. And talk loudly. One day, Henry is gonna over hear it while he is spanking the monkey.

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I think it will be Martha that has the unfortunate accident...or disappears. The visit from Stan was uhm, awkward.
Her parents too? They know about the wedding, and have met Clark's "family".

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Martha is gonna have a big problem if/when the FBI finds out that she is married.

But maybe she can play that to her advantage. Turn herself in, so to speak, to help catch this mysterious man she was married to.

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WTH with the pastor, mid-week, freshly 14yo girl sleep over? That would be weird in any time period.
It was just a 'pot-luck, poster making, sing along'.

The situation with Martha is similar to Paige. They either turn, or they'll become a problem.

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Martha is gonna have a big problem if/when the FBI finds out that she is married.

But maybe she can play that to her advantage. Turn herself in, so to speak, to help catch this mysterious man she was married to.
Although at this point, that ship has probably sailed....the fact that she has continued to conceal it even after it was painfully obvious that she was complicit in treason will not go well for her.

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It was just a 'pot-luck, poster making, sing along'.

The situation with Martha is similar to Paige. They either turn, or they'll become a problem.
Yes...agree. Although, it would be "easier" to have Paige disappear during their trip to Russia. However, the impact on Elizabeth and Phillip would be pretty devastating.

Martha (and her family?)) would be hard to do and hide, don't you think? She's already, somewhat, suspected/wondered about regarding the bug in the pen. So, then they'd start looking into her disappearance which, of course, would lead to her parents, etc. Hmmm..

What WAS Phillip thinking, though, as he took off his wig? How much of 'his story' will he spill, if any?

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I figured he was showing her his real appearance because he was going to kill her. But who knows, maybe it was a ploy to gain further trust by making himself vulnerable.

But really, she should be killed. And if the FBI then finds out from the parents that she was married, no real harm. Martha's value to the Russians is shot anyway. Somebody ought to make sure to get rid of everybody's wedding pictures, though.

I liked the scene with Martha talking about blue paint, then the camera pans and wha???? Stan?? Great moment.

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I figured he was showing her his real appearance because he was going to kill her. But who knows, maybe it was a ploy to gain further trust by making himself vulnerable.

But really, she should be killed. And if the FBI then finds out from the parents that she was married, no real harm. Martha's value to the Russians is shot anyway. Somebody ought to make sure to get rid of everybody's wedding pictures, though.

I liked the scene with Martha talking about blue paint, then the camera pans and wha???? Stan?? Great moment.
It could be he's going to tell her the truth, and then make sure she understands that she's pretty much screwed and if she wants to not go to jail, she needs to keep her mouth shut and do what he says.

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Is Paige close to having an "unfortunate and tragic accident"?
i'm over paige's whining, so much i'm almost to the point of using ffwd while she's on screen - any accident won't come soon enough for me, unless she commits to a major attitude adjustment.

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Another great show that has it's season finale too soon next week! Seems like Phillip has true feelings for Martha? Does Elizabeth realize this if true or am I reading his situation wrong?

Will be interesting to see how Paige reacts if she really goes to Russia.
I don't think it's "true feelings". But he likes her enough to want to not kill her. So he's taking a big risk, mostly to avoid killing her.

I think it will be more interesting if Elizabeth has a reaction she doesn't expect. Maybe home has changed or isn't quite as nice as she remembers. Or maybe she realizes that America has changed her.

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I think it will be Martha that has the unfortunate accident...or disappears. The visit from Stan was uhm, awkward.
I imagine Phillip stalling to long and his bosses having someone else do it.

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i'm over paige's whining, so much i'm almost to the point of using ffwd while she's on screen - any accident won't come soon enough for me, unless she commits to a major attitude adjustment.
Funny, all season I've been impressed that they had a teenage girl character who wasn't annoying, unlike Dana Brody on Homeland. Then in this last episode Paige started to get on my nerves. I thought it was just me being cranky.

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i'm over paige's whining, so much i'm almost to the point of using ffwd while she's on screen - any accident won't come soon enough for me, unless she commits to a major attitude adjustment.
If she got on board and joined the cause, the way the Russians want her too, then it could get interesting. But she really has to learn when and where it's OK to talk about it.

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I think Philip cares for Martha and would rather not kill her, but that's that extent of his feelings for her. He has to know that his only option is to kill her (and her parents). She isn't Nina - Martha will not be able to handle being a double agent.

I've enjoyed Paige as a character - as others have said, she hasn't been the typical annoying teenage girl on a spy show. UNTIL NOW. This storyline is at a crossroads and needs to pick a direction and get there quickly. I know this is hard for Paige to deal with, but I don't want to see her dealing with it.

I've never understood the storyline to begin with. Who thinks it's a good idea to tell Paige what Phil and Liz are up to, let alone recruit her to do the same thing? Based on what we've seen of Paige, she isn't capable of doing what they do and has no motivation to do it. If her choice turns out to be "be a spy or get killed," she's dead because even if she gives it a go, she doesn't have it in her to do what her mom and dad do. Phil and Liz could have kept making up stories and sent her off to college and everyone would have moved on.

Seems like the geniuses back in Mother Russia would be better off recruiting and training more Phil and Liz types back home and then sending them over to train with people like Phil and Liz.

I get the dramatic appeal of "turning Paige" but I'm not buying that anyone would think it would work. The "plan" seems more likely to bring down Phil and Liz than to develop another agent.

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I get the dramatic appeal of "turning Paige" but I'm not buying that anyone would think it would work. The "plan" seems more likely to bring down Phil and Liz than to develop another agent.
Agreed. It is completely unrealistic and was only done for the drama. Same for Philip staying with Martha and not just disappearing (or making her disappear) when the pen bug was discovered.

I think this may be the season when the show starts to go downhill. Up until now, I was able to suspend disbelief, but they are asking for too much suspension of disbelief now.

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I don't get the sense that the Centre wants Paige to be a field agent, actively recruiting and running assets, like Philip and Elizabeth do. I thought they wanted her to be more of a deep cover mole, feeding info as she gets older and into a (presumably) government career.

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I don't get the sense that the Centre wants Paige to be a field agent, actively recruiting and running assets, like Philip and Elizabeth do. I thought they wanted her to be more of a deep cover mole, feeding info as she gets older and into a (presumably) government career.
But it does not really matter. There is little reason to think that someone raised as an American would suddenly be willing to betray the US just because their parents suddenly tell them that they lied to them for their whole life and they are really Russian spies.

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I don't get the sense that the Centre wants Paige to be a field agent, actively recruiting and running assets, like Philip and Elizabeth do. I thought they wanted her to be more of a deep cover mole, feeding info as she gets older and into a (presumably) government career.
I just don't see the motivation, though. Paige has no loyalty to the Soviet Union and I don't see her "converting" just because her parents are agents.


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I'm not saying I think it's a good idea, I was just pointing out that there is no expectation or plan by the KGB for Paige to do what her parents do.

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If she got on board and joined the cause, the way the Russians want her too, then it could get interesting. But she really has to learn when and where it's OK to talk about it.
that's where i'd hoped they were heading, and why it begins to fall apart for me - if she's behaving this naively upon learning the truth, how will she react in training? training is another sticking point in paige's story line, they can't just toss her into the field, mom and dad each have a few years under their belts. of course, a season or two in siberia might adjust her attitude.

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i'm over paige's whining, so much i'm almost to the point of using ffwd while she's on screen - any accident won't come soon enough for me, unless she commits to a major attitude adjustment.
You'd think if they sat her down and explained that no way could they be honest with young children about this, so they're telling her as soon as they can--I just don't get all the "you weren't honest with me" angst. Obviously you can't tell a 5 year old this stuff.


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I think it will be more interesting if Elizabeth has a reaction she doesn't expect. Maybe home has changed or isn't quite as nice as she remembers. Or maybe she realizes that America has changed her.


I imagine Phillip stalling to long and his bosses having someone else do it.
I wonder if her parents had an extra nice home and all since their daughter is giving her life for the motherland?

It would be cool if they show them in Russia, but I just assumed we would just get their return at the beginning of next season.

I expect Elizabeth to take care of Martha.

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i'm over paige's whining, so much i'm almost to the point of using ffwd while she's on screen
wow I am going to stand up for Paige.
I said this last week - it's the way they wrote her dealing with it.
Every 60 seconds scene should have been ONE big confrontation. Instead we are getting silliness like she walks into her parents bedrooms whines and then leaves.

On a completely other note that no one has mentioned:

When Frank Langella and Margo Martindale are sitting in the diner drinking tea...
He says something about a boy killing his family and how the Centre almost scrapped the project.
Were they talking about the other agents that got massacred in the hotel?
Are they saying they told their kid they were agents and he killed them?
The same kid that we then saw coping with his families murders?

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I don't get the sense that the Centre wants Paige to be a field agent, actively recruiting and running assets, like Philip and Elizabeth do. I thought they wanted her to be more of a deep cover mole, feeding info as she gets older and into a (presumably) government career.
I think that is, in fact, the long term plan. Philip and Elizabeth may be field agents, but they must, of necessity, get info fro others. There's no way either of them could pass background security screenings needed to gain jobs in the US defense industry.

Paige, OTOH, is a native born US citizen, with a US education and upbringing. Her bona fides would pass background screenings because her background is real. She could end up with a job at a defense contractor, of the CIA, or even Hilary Clinton's staff.

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