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Old 05-18-2016, 10:44 PM   #1
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The Americans "Munchkins' OAD 5/18/16

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Old 05-18-2016, 11:41 PM   #2
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I was surprised how badly they handled that approach to Gaad. It seems obvious that they should have started out by sending just one person to him in a public place, just to talk for a few minutes, to see if he is disaffected enough to consider working for them.

But to send three guys into his hotel room in a threatening way was just foolish. Either kidnap him quickly, or approach him gently. Don't threaten him. I guess all their competent spies are in the US.


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Old 05-19-2016, 10:13 AM   #3
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I thought the Gad scene came completely outta nowhere... no build up and then very short for such a big event...

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Old 05-19-2016, 10:27 AM   #4
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I thought the Gad scene came completely outta nowhere... no build up and then very short for such a big event...
I agree, sort of . The fact that Gaad was still in the "previously, on The Americans" segments still had him involved in some way.

I do think the Russians should have entered, put out the proposal, if possible and then he could have run, attacked, etc. Let's face it. There was no way out of there for him, I don't think. I don't think they would have left if he had said no.

But, overall, I think it fit in fine. And, I like that they're keeping the Martha story alive with her father. You know that Philip is going to call her parents and, something will come out of that.

Nice Pastor Tim twist....although we knew that Elizabeth and Philip weren't involved.

I got a bit confused with his work that involved his high school "girlfriend". I knew they'd get back to that at some point, but I was confused about their discussion that she found out that her dad was in the CIA. Was Philip surprised that he told her? Worried? Happy? I'm not sure.

Lastly, Elizabeth is surely being tested and having feelings (however slight) that are more like Philip's regarding her apprehension and emotion on getting Young Hee's family disrupted.

Still, a great great show.

Oh, yeah, I I loved Paige's reaction when she hugged the pastor's wife and then when the wife broke down right into Paige's arms....well her acting and the look on her face was priceless and perfect for a "15 year old".

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Old 05-19-2016, 10:35 AM   #5
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I got a bit confused with his work that involved his high school "girlfriend". I knew they'd get back to that at some point, but I was confused about their discussion that she found out that her dad was in the CIA. Was Philip surprised that he told her? Worried? Happy? I'm not sure.
He was thinking about Paige. This girl told someone about her father being a spy, like Paige told someone about her parents being spies.

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I was surprised how badly they handled that approach to Gad. It seems obvious that they should have started out by sending just one person to him in a public place, just to talk for a few minutes, to see if he is disaffected enough to consider working for them.



But to send three guys into his hotel room in a threatening way was just foolish. Either kidnap him quickly, or approach him gently. Don't threaten him. I guess all their competent spies are in the US.

Yeah. Not the way that's handled in the spy vs. spy world. If they wanted to recruit him they would have done what you described--one-on-one assessment and cultivation. As a trained counter-intelligence agent he would not have run or attacked. He would have heard them out and tried to identify their assets and mission.

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Old 05-20-2016, 07:12 AM   #8
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He was thinking about Paige. This girl told someone about her father being a spy, like Paige told someone about her parents being spies.

Ahh.....got it. I was focusing on the plot, his reasons for his "friendship" with her, the bug in the briefcase, etc. Didn't "go" to his father role to Paige during their conversation.

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Did Philip know that the girls dad was CIA or just worked for the State Department? If he didn't know, that could certainly complicate things.

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Old 05-20-2016, 09:28 AM   #10
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Did Philip know that the girls dad was CIA or just worked for the State Department? If he didn't know, that could certainly complicate things.
I'm pretty sure they picked Kimmie as the target because they wanted access to the father because they knew he was CIA.

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Old 05-20-2016, 09:43 AM   #11
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Did Philip know that the girls dad was CIA or just worked for the State Department? If he didn't know, that could certainly complicate things.
He knew, but just pretended to not know. He was also a bit alarmed that Kimmy would just casually tell him that, so he cautioned discretion, probably because he is feeling it hit close to home with his family's ongoing saga with Paige.

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He knew, but just pretended to not know. He was also a bit alarmed that Kimmy would just casually tell him that, so he cautioned discretion, probably because he is feeling it hit close to home with his family's ongoing saga with Paige.
It's also a personal threat. If the dad finds out she's been telling people, he's going to want to know who.

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Did anyone else hear a smartphone buzz in the beginning of the show while they were at the dinner table? A cast or crew member probably left their phone on. It was that double buzz sound like when you get a text on an iPhone. I just thought that was a funny sound to hear on a show set in the 80's.


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Old 05-20-2016, 05:39 PM   #14
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Did anyone else hear a smartphone buzz in the beginning of the show while they were at the dinner table?
I was so curious I just re-watched the opening - the dinner table through the conversation with Paige.

I didn't hear a smartphone buzz.

Maybe it was actually a smartphone near you?

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Old 05-20-2016, 07:10 PM   #15
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Maybe it was actually a smartphone near you?
Heh. Sometimes I get the reverse...a cellphone goes off on the TV and I reach for mine.

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Seriously, seriously disappointed they took the easy way out in the Pastor Tim situation. ANYTHING but them being found alive....ugh.

Also, VERY out of character for Lizzy to tell Gabriel "yes" about finding another way in. I don't care how much she likes the family, that just seemed very out of character. Otherwise a decent episode...

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Seriously, seriously disappointed they took the easy way out in the Pastor Tim situation. ANYTHING but them being found alive....ugh. Otherwise a decent episode...
How else did you expect it to play out? If Pastor Tim isn't found or shows up dead, the Justice Department gets the tape that Alice made and Philip and Elizabeth have to run and that's basically the end of the show. Having him be found allows that tension created by someone knowing their secret to remain intact.

But now Paige sees the very difficult situation she created by telling Pastor Tim and maybe she'll be a little more open to the idea of "eliminating" him if the situation gets too tense again. After all, her other option is to go to Russia with her parents.

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I hope before the season is over we get an update on Martha.

I picture her sitting all alone at the kitchen table of her Soviet apartment, crying into her bowl of borscht.

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How else did you expect it to play out? If Pastor Tim isn't found or shows up dead, the Justice Department gets the tape that Alice made and Philip and Elizabeth have to run and that's basically the end of the show. Having him be found allows that tension created by someone knowing their secret to remain intact.

But now Paige sees the very difficult situation she created by telling Pastor Tim and maybe she'll be a little more open to the idea of "eliminating" him if the situation gets too tense again. After all, her other option is to go to Russia with her parents.
There was plenty to play out...maybe there's a tape; maybe there isn't anymore. Maybe Phil and Liz off the lawyer to get the tape (if it still exists). Maybe they kill both the pastor and his wife as many first theorized (but let's wait until the baby is born). There were lots of other options on how this could play out. It was a silly, easy way out for the writers, and I hated it.

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Also, VERY out of character for Lizzy to tell Gabriel "yes" about finding another way in. I don't care how much she likes the family, that just seemed very out of character. Otherwise a decent episode...
I disagree. I think we're just seeing the first cracks in Elizabeth's ice.

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Americans renewed for 2 more and final season!

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...nding-in-2018/

I love this show and this seems right - they will really be able to plan their way to a conclusion (I hope).

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I wonder if they get caught at the end of Season 5, and Season 6 is what comes next? That could be pretty cool...

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I disagree. I think we're just seeing the first cracks in Elizabeth's ice.
That was my first thought as well. We've never really seen Liz crack. But I think a lot of things that happened over this past season is starting to change her. Matha's situation and how it affected Philip, was one. The Day After movie was another as was Pastor Tim and the real possibility they will have to run and what that will do to her family. I also think this might be her first real American friend and she really likes her. What we are seeing is the beginning of a lot of real hard decisions for her and the family that they never faced before.

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Americans renewed for 2 more and final season!

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...nding-in-2018/

I love this show and this seems right - they will really be able to plan their way to a conclusion (I hope).
This is great news. As much as I love the series and want it to keep going, a part of me wants to badly see how this will end! At least we will have another 2 year ride.

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There was plenty to play out...maybe there's a tape; maybe there isn't anymore. Maybe Phil and Liz off the lawyer to get the tape (if it still exists). Maybe they kill both the pastor and his wife as many first theorized (but let's wait until the baby is born). There were lots of other options on how this could play out. It was a silly, easy way out for the writers, and I hated it.
They were listening to the bug from Pastor Tim's office to try and figure out who the attorney was so they could potentially steal back the tape or eliminate the lawyer, but Elizabeth said that Alice hadn't said anything about the attorney so they had nothing to go on.

Killing Alice wasn't an option for two reasons: 1) if the tape exists, then killing Alice means the Jennings have to run; and 2) even if they could get around the tape/lawyer issue, killing Alice means destroying their relationship with Paige, which is the whole reason Tim and Alice are still alive in the first place.

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I disagree. I think we're just seeing the first cracks in Elizabeth's ice.

Agree. This is the first time Elizabeth seemed genuinely connected. It's 'out of character' just because she hadn't felt this way before. Now, she has.
I think it creates more tension and will be reflected in her behavior and emotions going forward.

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Agree. This is the first time Elizabeth seemed genuinely connected. It's 'out of character' just because she hadn't felt this way before. Now, she has.
I think it creates more tension and will be reflected in her behavior and emotions going forward.
That one EST meeting really got to her.

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There was plenty to play out...maybe there's a tape; maybe there isn't anymore. Maybe Phil and Liz off the lawyer to get the tape (if it still exists). Maybe they kill both the pastor and his wife as many first theorized (but let's wait until the baby is born). There were lots of other options on how this could play out. It was a silly, easy way out for the writers, and I hated it.
So pastor Tim is alive and well and still knows their secret; and meanwhile Alice has directly threatened Philip and Elizabeth; and oh, Paige was near her breaking point with having to keep working Tim and Alice to keep them from doing anything, which she's now going to continue to have to do. And you're calling this the easy way out?

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