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Old 04-23-2012, 11:06 AM   #31
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Let's just hope no one who has seen Arya sees her as a servant to Tywin. What nice little gift that would be for him.
You gotta figure that Tywin is going to figure it out. He already pegged her as a girl and being from the North.
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:08 AM   #32
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I'm pretty sure that after each name on her list Arya was saying something like "give them pain", so yeah, it was a kind of prayer (sort of the opposite of "God bless Mommy and Daddy")
"Ilyn Payne", the man who beheaded her father.
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:21 AM   #33
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You gotta figure that Tywin is going to figure it out. He alreayy pegged her as a girl and being from the North.
I think he already knows who she is. I think he put it together as soon as he questioned "Why would you dress as a boy?" and she tried to cover by saying it was safer.
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If Stannis makes red on red his queen, the vapor kid will retroactively no longer be a bastard?
In our world, he would have to marry her before the kid was born. Otherwise, his trying to present him as a legitimate heir would start wars.

Well, more wars.
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I think he already knows who she is. I think he put it together as soon as he questioned "Why would you dress as a boy?" and she tried to cover by saying it was safer.
Not really a cover...she was telling the truth.
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:59 PM   #35
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I think he already knows who she is. I think he put it together as soon as he questioned "Why would you dress as a boy?" and she tried to cover by saying it was safer.
I don't think so. He's never seen her in his life; why would he know who she is?
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Old 04-23-2012, 01:08 PM   #36
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Great episode. Some of the stuff that I expected to happen by episode 2 is finally happening.

My girlfriend hated it because of all the torture scenes. I expected it and that stuff doesn't bother me so much (although the rat torture seems pretty gross).

It's really quite interesting to see the non-readers reactions and thoughts on things here, and also the confusion about where people are. I think they should have some little cut scenes on the map so people can be like, "Ohhh, they are at Harrenhal, a new place to us."

I agree that the show is hard to follow for someone who doesn't know the story. My girlfriend watches with me and hasn't read the books and she starts asking questions right at the beginning of a scene. I have to tell her to hold off because sometimes a scene is such that I don't know what's happening or what exactly they are building up to. The opening scene with Robb's direwolf is a good example. That's just a great scene that's written in about a non-specific battle to explain that Grey Wind is on a tear. But my girlfriend's instinct is to say, "who's that? have we seen them before?" Which I can't really blame her. Also the Harrenhal scenes she was like, have they been there before?

Others have explained Harrenhal a bit but I'll add a bit more backstory non-spoilers and hopefully it will help. Basically it's a castle that was built much too large which makes it nay impossible to hold and defend. Thus, over the years Lords have trouble holding on to it and it tends to exchange hands a lot. Not to mention the disrepair it is obviously in. We've already seen it offered up to Janos Slynt, taken away as he was sent to the wall and then offered up again to Littlefinger. The Lannisters don't own it but occupy it, it's lands are technically under the Riverlands so it owe fealty to Riverrun by rights (home of the Tullys, Catelyn Starks' family).
But since Lannister men occupy it they'll give it to whoever it seems valuable to.

Oh, and to whoever said "if it's three times the size of Winterfell, why are the cells overflowing?" Just because it's large, doesn't mean it has enough proper "cells" nor does it have enough proper inhabitable space. Much of it is in disrepair, has been abandoned for years or was damaged by those pesky dragons. They say the tops of the towers have gone unused in years and are infested with bats.

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Old 04-23-2012, 01:10 PM   #37
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I'll bet every recap equates the smoke baby to LOST. EW did too.
I didn't even think of Lost, my only thoughts were those goofy scenes where someone pretending to be Santa Claus comes down the chimney and a big poof comes out the front of the fireplace.

Oh man, I'm glad my wife had all our kids BEFORE I saw this. I'd never go into the delivery room again.

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Others have explained Harrenhal a bit but I'll add a bit more backstory non-spoilers and hopefully it will help. Basically it's a castle that was built much too large which makes it nay impossible to hold and defend. Thus, over the years Lords have trouble holding on to it and it tends to exchange hands a lot. Not to mention the disrepair it is obviously in. We've already seen it offered up to Janos Slynt, taken away as he was sent to the wall and then offered up again to Littlefinger. The Lannisters don't own it but occupy it, it's lands are technically under the Riverlands so it owe fealty to Riverrun by rights (home of the Tullys, Catelyn Starks' family).
But since Lannister men occupy it they'll give it to whoever it seems valuable to.

Oh, and to whoever said "if it's three times the size of Winterfell, why are the cells overflowing?" Just because it's large, doesn't mean it has enough proper "cells" nor does it have enough proper inhabitable space. Much of it is in disrepair, has been abandoned for years or was damaged by those pesky dragons. They say the tops of the towers have gone unused in years and are infested with bats.

Hope that helps.
And the stone was melted by the Targaryan dragons!

Isn't Queen Margarette(? Renly's beard) from the Tully family, same as Catlyn?
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Margaery is a Tyrell. Loras Tyrell's sister.
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And the stone was melted by the Targaryan dragons!

Isn't Queen Margarette(? Renly's beard) from the Tully family, same as Catlyn?
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Yes. And the Tyrells are from Highgarden, south of King's Landing and Storm's End. That's where Renly gets his 100,000 men.
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Old 04-23-2012, 01:46 PM   #43
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I think they should have some little cut scenes on the map so people can be like, "Ohhh, they are at Harrenhal, a new place to us."
I didn't think it was that difficult. Maybe other people skip or don't pay attention to the opening credits, but I watch it religiously and rewind if I miss something. This week I saw 2 new places: Harrenhal and Qarth. Just seeing those location in the credits was all I needed to figure it out.

The only location I wasn't clear about was the opening battle, though I suspect that was intentionally vague. And I forget where Renley is. I think that was in the credits last week. Looking at the map online, I think that was Storms End?

On another topic, does anyone else have trouble seeing all the dark scenes in this show? I've never had another show where the night scenes were so difficult to see any detail.
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Old 04-23-2012, 02:28 PM   #44
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The old ones are. The new ones aren't.
Which makes no sense given that they are newborn and have not eaten in weeks!

I was disappointed in the opening credits as the 2 new places didn't rise up from the map like the other places. Any idea why it was done? is it because it's not one of the kingdoms? (but the Dothkhari isn't a kingdom and it rose...there I go again, arguing with myself!).
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It was odd that Harrenhall wasn't animated in the opening credits.
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I didn't think it was that difficult. Maybe other people skip or don't pay attention to the opening credits, but I watch it religiously and rewind if I miss something. This week I saw 2 new places: Harrenhal and Qarth. Just seeing those location in the credits was all I needed to figure it out.

I pay more than close attention. I just didn't realize the new place was the same as we were seeing at that moment. By the time the show was over and I was typing stuff up there was so much to remember and I was rushed to get to bed.
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It was odd that Harrenhall wasn't animated in the opening credits.
Qarth definitely did the steam-punk thing.

Harrenhal I didn't notice really. Maybe they were indicating it's status as a ruined place?
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Qarth definitely did the steam-punk thing.

Harrenhal I didn't notice really. Maybe they were indicating it's status as a ruined place?
The dragons melted the gears, and now it's stuck open.
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That review mentions that there have been several things changed from the book this season. The only one I recall reading about so far was in episode 1
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the show had Joffery order the bastards killed, not Cersei


What other things have changed? Please answer in spoiler tags for the sake of others.
Westeros.org has really nice comparisons for the episodes.

Here's this weeks:

http://www.westeros.org/GoT/Episodes...Book_to_Screen
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Westeros.org has really nice comparisons for the episodes.

Here's this weeks:

http://www.westeros.org/GoT/Episodes...Book_to_Screen
Nice! Thanks for that. It makes me feel good to cross-reference my memory with the actual events in the book. Certain scenes are made up to compress time and events and I'm sometimes not certain if they are events that happened in the book or mere suggestions in the book that get turned into cinematic plot devices.

I'm glad to see my memory is pretty good on most points.
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Joffrey is a tough man with his crossbow. I really hope then when he dies (he's gonna die, right....please let him die), it's going by crossbow.
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Oh someone (if they follow the books) eventually dies from a crossbow in a very... interesting... way. Can't remember exactly which book it was in though, so might not be this season.

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Joffrey looked composited in during the spanking scene. I guess Gleeson is under-age.

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In either world his already having a wife would slow things down too. I don't remember hearing about divorce in Westeros....

Who was the guy who was discussing what to do with all the prisoners with Rob? I think he mentioned flaying as a torture technique. I have read the books and still can't catch all the names, or maybe because I know who I'm looking for I'm jumping to conclusions. I also missed that it was Tywin who took over at Harrenhaul--again looking for someone else.....
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The HBO summaries are great for figuring out names.

http://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones#/.../synopsis.html
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Wild. I wonder if his parents supervise.

The over 17(18?) porn law should only apply if it was him having the sex, but maybe this was close enough.
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In either world his already having a wife would slow things down too. I don't remember hearing about divorce in Westeros....

Who was the guy who was discussing what to do with all the prisoners with Rob? I think he mentioned flaying as a torture technique. I have read the books and still can't catch all the names, or maybe because I know who I'm looking for I'm jumping to conclusions. I also missed that it was Tywin who took over at Harrenhaul--again looking for someone else.....
I'm pretty sure he was talking to Roose Bolton. The Boltons are pretty into flaying.
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Oh dear where are all the spoiler freaks? Don't think we're at the point that Bran has actually named his wolf yet are we?

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Oh dear where are all the spoiler freaks? Don't think we're at the point that Bran has actually named his wolf yet are we?
Well I'm a spoiler freak and it doesn't bother me to have this info ahead of time. Hope it doesn't anyone else. I just assumed I had forgotten.
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Bran names Summer in the first book after he wakes up from his coma...
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