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Old 04-22-2012, 01:56 PM   #61
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If you assume the day the team disappeared was the last time she saw them. What if she was with them?
She didn't know where they were at. Made it seem like they said goodbye to the girl then went and put themselves in Amber.
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Old 04-22-2012, 02:18 PM   #62
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I'm wondering what formula Walt used to judge the perfect amount of antimatter to implode that building without even rattling the windows of the surrounding skyscrapers. I guess the Observer couldn't time warp his ass of that situation.

I'm also thinking that maybe they didn't fly Nimoy back to Vancouver for a 10 second guest spot. Since he was frozen, they could have used a still from a former visit and digitized it on a Paintbox or other production tool

In fact, in the first profile shot of him, he looks like he's still sporting that headband he wore in "The Voyage Home."


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Old 04-22-2012, 02:30 PM   #63
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Old 04-22-2012, 04:11 PM   #64
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I had thought that maybe Bell (or alt Bell) had somehow exiled Olivia to the Redverse and she could not return. But there may be another possibility.

We know that any female Observers as scarce to nonexistent. We see an Observer trying to take a woman from her pimp at the start of the episode. And the pimp objects because they have been taking so many women from him that he is running out.

What if these seized women are being sent to 2609? What if Bell figured out a way to prevent Olivia from dying that September overlooked? What if that was to turn Olivia over to the Observers to be shipped to 2026? This fits into Walter's disgust for what Belly did to Olivia.

This has the advantage that, if Olivia escapes or Etta/Peter rescue her, she can avoid being 20 years older. Also, Fringe can show us the year 2609 and blow our minds again. All this makes me crave season 5 even more.
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:39 PM   #65
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I had thought that maybe Bell (or alt Bell) had somehow exiled Olivia to the Redverse and she could not return. But there may be another possibility.

We know that any female Observers as scarce to nonexistent. We see an Observer trying to take a woman from her pimp at the start of the episode. And the pimp objects because they have been taking so many women from him that he is running out.

What if these seized women are being sent to 2609? What if Bell figured out a way to prevent Olivia from dying that September overlooked? What if that was to turn Olivia over to the Observers to be shipped to 2026? This fits into Walter's disgust for what Belly did to Olivia.

This has the advantage that, if Olivia escapes or Etta/Peter rescue her, she can avoid being 20 years older. Also, Fringe can show us the year 2609 and blow our minds again. All this makes me crave season 5 even more.
Yes there are so many great possibilities which makes me all the more frustrated that they wasted this (possibly last) season on monster of the week combined with a dragged out arc.
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Old 04-22-2012, 08:34 PM   #66
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Yes there are so many great possibilities which makes me all the more frustrated that they wasted this (possibly last) season on monster of the week combined with a dragged out arc.
You keep calling it a waste, and you're entitled to your opinion, but plenty of us disagree with you. Besides, the "waste" is what set up this episode to begin with, so you don't get one without the other.
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Old 04-23-2012, 06:13 AM   #67
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You keep calling it a waste, and you're entitled to your opinion, but plenty of us disagree with you. Besides, the "waste" is what set up this episode to begin with, so you don't get one without the other.
On the contrary 2036 would have worked as the first episode of this season.
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Old 04-23-2012, 06:38 AM   #68
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Who plays Henrietta? IMdB doesn't list her for the episode.

I agree with Walter, she is pretty.
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Old 04-23-2012, 06:44 AM   #69
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Georgina Haig

Ironically, looks like another Aussie (her first role was on Underbelly)...
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:29 AM   #70
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Do Aussies work cheap or something? They're all over the tv.
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:35 AM   #71
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Who plays Henrietta? IMdB doesn't list her for the episode.

I agree with Walter, she is pretty.
I agree she is pretty, but she kind of had a smirk/smile a lot of the time she was on the screen, that felt out of place.
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:02 PM   #72
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...she kind of had a smirk/smile a lot of the time she was on the screen, that felt out of place.
Kind of like Claire on Modern Family last week?...
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:29 PM   #73
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(I did assume she was Peter and Olivia's kid the minute she turned up.)
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It took a fraction of a second to realize it wasn't Olivia. I'm not sure how subtle they were trying to be...
When I first saw her, I didn't think "Olivia". I thought "Gwyneth Paltrow".

But it was obvious from the start that she was going to be P&O's kid.
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:41 PM   #74
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I don't understand why they couldn't just hoist it up in the air, put a mattress under it.
Because if the amber turns to liquid momentarily, wouldn't it fall along with Walter, causing him to be encased again (at least partially) when he hits the mattress?

I liked that in the "These aren't the droids you're looking for" scene, they flat out told us Walter was Etta's grandfather, yet we were supposed to assume they were making up a story for the security guy.
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When I first saw her, I didn't think "Olivia". I thought "Gwyneth Paltrow".
Me too.
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Because if the amber turns to liquid momentarily, wouldn't it fall along with Walter, causing him to be encased again (at least partially) when he hits the mattress?

I liked that in the "These aren't the droids you're looking for" scene, they flat out told us Walter was Etta's grandfather, yet we were supposed to assume they were making up a story for the security guy.
The amber goes solid>gas>solid
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I don't understand why JOlivia or Simon couldn't push the person out without going completely inside the amber. Or use a long stick!
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I object to calling Etta (Henrietta) Jolivia.. She's her own character and does not have any doppelgangers running around (yet if it does happen). I also think we should try to name these characters with something that at least sounds like their own name.

Jolivia is also a bad name because if she is born this or next season, and then has an alternate running around what name would you come up with then? AltJolivia sounds just stupid.

Etta works good for me, If we need change the name to Betta (Baby Etta), or Fetta (Future Etta), OtherEtta or AltEtta those names just sound better. I'm just thinking that if a time comes where we need another name for Etta we can pick something that rolls off the tongue better.
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I don't understand why JOlivia or Simon couldn't push the person out without going completely inside the amber. Or use a long stick!
simon had the tracking device in him activated, so he sacrificed himself to free peter and let the old fringe team get away
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The amber goes solid>gas>solid
Right, but even in a gaseous state, amber is most likely heavier than air. Even if it doesn't fall as fast as a human would, it would fall away from whatever you have supporting it. Then you have to deal with a big chunk of amber landing on top of you after it resolidifies.
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Right, but even in a gaseous state, amber is most likely heavier than air.
Then wouldn't the chunk of amber that had encased Walter have become shorter after they zapped it?
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Old 04-23-2012, 05:46 PM   #82
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And John Noble plays yet another compelling version of Walter. He is an amazing actor.
It's an insult that this man hasn't won every award he qualify's for for his performances on this show.
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I don't understand why JOlivia or Simon couldn't push the person out without going completely inside the amber. Or use a long stick!
I was waiting for someone to go look for a broom.
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I don't understand why JOlivia or Simon couldn't push the person out without going completely inside the amber. Or use a long stick!
Yeah, I'm coming back just to say that JOlivia is possibly the worst name anyone has ever come up with on a forum ever. EVAR!!!
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JOlivia

most people don't recognize GENIUS when presented to them!

Seriously, I only went that way cause I had no clue what her name was. Some would call it necessity out of ignorance. Some would call ignorance stupidity. Some would fight to the death to clarify the difference (or lack thereof) between ignorance and stupidity.

Some genius would just laugh at all that.
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...GENIUS!
Someone's nose is AWFULLY brown right now...
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Someone's nose is AWFULLY brown right now...
Heh, you wouldn't be saying that if you knew the history of Rob, Anubys, and GENIUS...

Let's just say, when Rob calls Anubys a genius, it's not exactly a compliment.
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Heh, you wouldn't be saying that if you knew the history of Rob, Anubys, and GENIUS...

Let's just say, when Rob calls Anubys a genius, it's not exactly a compliment.
I think that history deserves its own thread
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