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Old 04-21-2012, 03:18 PM   #31
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Two more versions: half-brained and full-brained. Both were awesome.
I am wondering if the full brained Walter is the Walter from before Bell did the surgery to remove those pieces of his brain? The rather short way he treated Simon and Etta after recovering strikes me as the version of Walter he was trying to get away from when he asked Bell to do the surgery,
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Old 04-21-2012, 03:18 PM   #32
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The timing confused me.

The daughter said she was 4 years old when the observers took over, which was 21 years earlier in 2015. The episode was in 2036. So the daughter is 25.

That means Olivia would have been pregnant in 2010 and/or 2011, and given birth in 2011. But she isn't pregnant in any of the current timelines we have seen this season, which is 2011/2012.

So WTF????
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Old 04-21-2012, 03:20 PM   #33
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I don't understand why they couldn't just hoist it up in the air, put a mattress under it.
For much the same reason Roger Rabbit couldn't get out of the hand-cuffs until it was funny. They couldn't do it because it wasn't a cool dramatic visual.
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Old 04-21-2012, 03:22 PM   #34
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The timing confused me.

The daughter said she was 4 years old when the observers took over, which was 21 years earlier in 2015. The episode was in 2036. So the daughter is 25.

That means Olivia would have been pregnant in 2010 and/or 2011, and given birth in 2011. But she isn't pregnant in any of the current timelines we have seen this season, which is 2011/2012.

So WTF????
She was 4 when she lost her parents. that would be 2016. So she was born in 2012. And Olivia is probably pregnant right now.
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Old 04-21-2012, 03:34 PM   #35
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I must have missed some stuff. How come Ambassador Spock is entombed in amber?
Given that he was, I'm thinking this isn't the future of either universe in either timeline. Walter talked to Astrid about something bad that Bell had done to Olivia. I suppose it could have been the Cortexiphan trials when she was a kid, but Walter was just as much a part of that as Bell.

I'm thinking this is the "original" timeline with only one universe, and the device that Walter builds to stop the observers is what leads to the universe splitting, and causes the other timelines that we have seen.

In this timeline, there was no other universe for Bell to run off to, so perhaps he continued his Cortexiphan trials with Olivia.

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II'm no physician, but I'm pretty sure if they blew Walter out of stasis that violently, they would have killed the old man.
Yeah, I had that same thought. They didn't even think to put something soft against the wall he was hitting. I guess they figured those cardboard boxes were good enough to absorb the impact. That's probably what really caused the brain damage.
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Old 04-21-2012, 03:46 PM   #36
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She was 4 when she lost her parents. that would be 2016. So she was born in 2012. And Olivia is probably pregnant right now.
No...it was 2015 when she lost them. So the timing makes no sense.
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Old 04-21-2012, 04:00 PM   #37
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He had some heavy duty old man makeup going on.

Were you watching in HD?.


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No, sadly I'm still in SD hell. But, he didn't look that much older to me.
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Old 04-21-2012, 04:32 PM   #38
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No, sadly I'm still in SD hell. But, he didn't look that much older to me.
In HD the closeups of him really showed the aging makeup/effect, I didn't have any trouble making it out that he was 22ish years older.
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Old 04-21-2012, 04:53 PM   #39
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No...it was 2015 when she lost them. So the timing makes no sense.
Might I respectfully suggest you're figuring it wrong? And if you still disbelieve me, review the recording?
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:08 PM   #40
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And Olivia is probably pregnant right now.
Maybe that's why she wasn't in this episode...
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:11 PM   #41
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No...it was 2015 when she lost them. So the timing makes no sense.
I understood that she lost her parents in 2016 also. And that would have Olivia giving birth in 2012.
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:36 PM   #42
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I understood that she lost her parents in 2016 also. And that would have Olivia giving birth in 2012.
She didn't say that "I lost them when the Observers took over" which would be 2015, but "I haven't seen them since I was 4" no date given.
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Old 04-21-2012, 06:28 PM   #43
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Count me as one who THOROUGHLY enjoyed this episode. They could spend the rest of the series here for all I care...
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Old 04-21-2012, 06:39 PM   #44
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One little bit of attention to detail that I particularly liked:

The "these are not the droids" scene took place next to a food kiosk. There were observers buying food at the kiosk. The food wasn't shown (and the kiosk itself was hardly in the scene), but the awning of the kiosk had a decorative graphic of red chili peppers and the counter is lined with bottles of hot sauce/tobasco - referencing the observers' penchant for really spicy food first shown in Season One with September at the diner.


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Old 04-21-2012, 08:11 PM   #45
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I was following pretty good up until they broke out the second amber. I only saw William Bell in there--no idea how he got there--but evidently Peter was in there too? So why are you saying he was removed? So Desmond pushed Peter out and Walter somehow broke off Wm. Bell's hand? Or something that makes more sense that I totally missed....

Great twist anyway. Didn't see evil Observers coming at all. Poor September must have been the best of his race.

Are there female Observers, or do they just abuse the "natives?" And is it possible for observers to grow hair?
Yes, they pulled a switcharoo. They let us see Bell encased in amber and then the next time we see the future team trying to extract someone, we are led to believe it is Bell they are extracting, but of course it's Peter instead.
At the same time we see Bell in the amber, we see Walter with some sort of device. Those that had been paying attention earlier would have realized that it was a laser cutting apparatus. Later we find out that Walter used it to extract Bell's hand from the amber (presumably they will need it for future endeavors that involve biometric security).
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Old 04-21-2012, 09:16 PM   #46
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Given that he was, I'm thinking this isn't the future of either universe in either timeline. Walter talked to Astrid about something bad that Bell had done to Olivia. I suppose it could have been the Cortexiphan trials when she was a kid, but Walter was just as much a part of that as Bell.

I'm thinking this is the "original" timeline with only one universe, and the device that Walter builds to stop the observers is what leads to the universe splitting, and causes the other timelines that we have seen.

In this timeline, there was no other universe for Bell to run off to, so perhaps he continued his Cortexiphan trials with Olivia.
I like this theory. In an earlier episode this season, September said that in every time line Olivia dies. The lack of Olivia means that she's probably dead in this possible time scenario. This theory also explains what the machine was they were asking Walter to build, why Bell was still alive, and why there was absolutely zero mention of the alternate universe.
Trying to explain this to others is going to be confusing and difficult, and what does any of this have to do with the current Jones plot.
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Old 04-21-2012, 10:24 PM   #47
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She didn't say that "I lost them when the Observers took over" which would be 2015, but "I haven't seen them since I was 4" no date given.
The year was 2036, it was stated that the team disappeared 20 years ago which would have made it 2016. She said she hadn't seen her parents since she was 4 which would have made the year 2012 that she was born.
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WTF? Is that it for 2036?!?
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Old 04-22-2012, 10:10 AM   #49
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That was quite a surprise episode!! I don't know if this is a spinoff or something they plan for next season or will finish this season with it, but I like it!
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Anyone else watch Sliders and get a kromag vibe from this episode?
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Anyone else watch Sliders...
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The year was 2036, it was stated that the team disappeared 20 years ago which would have made it 2016. She said she hadn't seen her parents since she was 4 which would have made the year 2012 that she was born.
If you assume the day the team disappeared was the last time she saw them. What if she was with them?
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And if you assume that by "20 years" they mean "exactly 20 years, not 21 or 19" and not "a number I'm rounding off to 20 years."
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Old 04-22-2012, 12:52 PM   #54
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I do like how they got around Nemoy's retirement

This was such a fun episode. The look on Peter's eyes as he realized who he was talking to; and the desperation on his daughter's face as she prayed that he would recognize her without her telling him who she was...that was just so splendidly done.

What is Olivia-Junior's name?
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What is Olivia-Junior's name?
Let me quickly trademark the name JOlivia
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Old 04-22-2012, 01:06 PM   #57
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Henrietta, or Etta.

I reject "JOlivia" because she is not an alternate of Olivia.
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Didn't get the connection to Henry when they said Henrietta. Then when someone pointed that out, I thought she had changed her name--probably for security reasons--because I was pretty sure that wasn't what they were calling her. But I guess she was going by Etta, so as usual I missed the whole point without you guys. Thanks.

(I did assume she was Peter and Olivia's kid the minute she turned up.)
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(I did assume she was Peter and Olivia's kid the minute she turned up.)
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(I did assume she was Peter and Olivia's kid the minute she turned up.)
It took a fraction of a second to realize it wasn't Olivia. I'm not sure how subtle they were trying to be...
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