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Why would they see the crawlspace hatch? They showed a shot of the men looking into the bathroom (not sure if it was before or after he escaped) and not seeing anything different about the floor. And, if they checked AFTER Walt escaped, I'm sure Walt would have closed the opening before he made his escape...
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The crawlspace looked visible to me maybe it was not ?
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10-11-2011, 09:26 AM
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You'd have to put a microswitch under it and then you might as well give Hector the switch. Artistic license, again.
I have to stop insisting on realism on this show that does so much so well.
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Of course he used the bell to trigger a switch. The bell disguised the switch. Gus wouldn't have been lured into sitting down next to Hector if the switch wasn't hidden. The bell was a perfect cover.
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10-11-2011, 11:15 AM
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The crawlspace looked visible to me maybe it was not ?
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The outline of the trapdoor (and the handle) was quite visible in the shot that they showed of the floor of the utility room. Whether the thugs actually heard something distinct or not, and whether they decided to lift the trapdoor and have a look, I don't know.
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10-11-2011, 12:14 PM
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I was waiting for the house to blow up.
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 Me too. I expected the house to go BOOM! when the neighbor lady opened the door.
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10-11-2011, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by rrrobinsonjr
Of course he used the bell to trigger a switch. The bell disguised the switch. Gus wouldn't have been lured into sitting down next to Hector if the switch wasn't hidden. The bell was a perfect cover.
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Which is why the bell didn't give the clear ring that we've heard before, it made a dull thunk when he triggered it.
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10-11-2011, 12:17 PM
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Me too. I expected the house to go BOOM! when the neighbor lady opened the door. |
I was expecting a blood splatter on the curtains.
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10-11-2011, 02:14 PM
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I was expecting a blood splatter on the curtains.
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10-11-2011, 07:27 PM
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Walt was pretty cold in sending the neighbor lady over to his house. She could easily been shot walking thru the front door.
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I know I'm being naive but I really didn't see it as him risking her life... I think he was just testing if anyone showed up. I don't see Gus being careless enough to kill a neighbor who happened to enter the house... Walt figured she'd go in and he could gauge if anyone shows up, which is what happened. The guys knew it wasn't him so they didn't go in after her. I don't think Walt sent her in there expecting her to die... then again who knows.
To me, the entire poisoning thing was a weak spot in terms of the caliber of writing we've seen on the show... It's just too out there and make it seem like Walt is some kind of super villain able to predict the outcomes of events like no one else. His plan was to poison brock and make Jessie think Gus did so he'd be back on his side--that's fine. But the way it played out was weird.
Walt tells Saul to have his guy pat down Jessie (how'd he know Jessie would go to Saul's?). The 400lb bodyguard morphs into Kriss Angel and somehow takes the ricin cigarette out of the pack while it's in Jessie's pocket (unless I miss something, this part makes the least sense). A few hours later Jessie's GF tells him her son suddenly got very ill, and Jessie magically connects that it must be ricin poisoning. And somehow Walt knew Jessie would think he did it (?) so when Jessie came calling he used the opportunity to convince him it was Gus.
Basically Walt orchestracted the greatest pick-pocket of all time, then somehow got a random 10 year old to ingest berries that mimic ricin symptoms, knowning that Jessie would not only conclude that it was ricin, but come looking for him as the culprit, giving him the opportunity to turn things on Gus so that Jessie will want to kill him...
I don't know. It is what it is but it's a little sloppy to me. I love that it sets things up for the now-irreversable wedge that will come between them next season. I don't remember but Jessie still doesn't know that Walt could have saved his previous girlfriend but instead let her die, does he?
It's definitely weird watching this show sometimes because you're supposed to be able to root for the main guy--even if they're despicable in ways there's always some kind of "reason" given that allows you to be ok with it (i.e., Dexter kills people, but he only kills bad people). But with Walt there's no redeeming qualities now. He's a selfish lying ego-driven sociopath whose actions will almost certainly get everyone he knows hurt or killed... This season gave some hope because he was mostly doing bad things under the threat of death/coersion, but obviously they're taking him the other way now... dude is all kinds of bad. He's going from "anti-hero" to "villain".
Love it but it's weird.
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10-11-2011, 07:55 PM
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To me, the entire poisoning thing was a weak spot in terms of the caliber of writing we've seen on the show...
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Well, since the writing has been weak in several areas recently, at least they are consistent.
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10-11-2011, 07:59 PM
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Well, since the writing has been weak in several areas recently, at least they are consistent.
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You can quit watching the show anytime now...just skip next season(s)....
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10-11-2011, 08:55 PM
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Remember when Gilligan said that Tyrus was going to be a major factor / player toward the end? Not so much.
For anyone who says that Tyrus could have survived. On rewatching the TV reporter Skyler and Hank and family are watching says "three are dead."
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10-11-2011, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdazzo7
Walt tells Saul to have his guy pat down Jessie (how'd he know Jessie would go to Saul's?). The 400lb bodyguard morphs into Kriss Angel and somehow takes the ricin cigarette out of the pack while it's in Jessie's pocket (unless I miss something, this part makes the least sense). A few hours later Jessie's GF tells him her son suddenly got very ill, and Jessie magically connects that it must be ricin poisoning. And somehow Walt knew Jessie would think he did it (?) so when Jessie came calling he used the opportunity to convince him it was Gus.
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I don't think Walt was thinking that Jessie would think it was Walt who poisoned the kid. Walt wanted to get Jessie to think Gus did it, so he could turn Jessie against Gus.
And Walt didn't necessarily have to hand the kid a handful of berries and tell him to chomp away. Being a chemist, Walt likely extracted the chemical from the berries and put it in something else, like a candy bar Saul gave the kid. Or maybe he formulated something that would work just via skin contact or inhalation.
The only problem I have with the plan is Huell getting the cigarette. I just don't see how it was done, but given the overall quality of the show, I'll let it slide.
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10-11-2011, 10:53 PM
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You can quit watching the show anytime now....
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Really? Are you sure about that?
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10-12-2011, 09:40 AM
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My prediction: When Mike comes back, being a hired gun, he won't feel the need to get revenge for Gus, and he should have a soft spot for Jesse having saved his life.
Walt and Jesse need the one guy who knows Gus's organization so they can use the 200 or so that have to be out there doing distribution of product. Besides we can guess that Mike has a good size stash of cash as he got paid nearly as much as Walt and Jesse did. Jesse has some but Mike can invest.
Besides there is more to the Mexican cartel than just the Don. They are going to jump in to the vacuum to serve the territory, and maybe still have the lab that Jesse gave the tutorial to.
In any case we can look forward to a new huge ruthless organization/guy to serve the unkillable villain role that Gus did.
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10-12-2011, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sfenton
Walt was pretty cold in sending the neighbor lady over to his house. She could easily been shot walking thru the front door.
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I kept waiting for the house to blow up
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10-12-2011, 06:03 PM
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Fantastic season and fantastic series--but the whole "terminator" act was a little over the top.
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10-12-2011, 06:10 PM
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Cool article on Ars discussing how Science has left the world of Breaking Bad.
Breaking Bad remains great, but we miss geeky chemistry of early seasons
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Breaking Bad began with an amazing premise: what if a man with nothing to lose had to leverage whatever skills he had to make the most money in the shortest possible time? Walter White was a chemistry teacher with a mind for science and cancer that was going to eat him alive. He turned to cooking meth to earn as much money as possible before he died, pairing with an ex-student who had a few connections in the criminal underworld.
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11-03-2011, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bierboy
Watch that scene carefully; as Gus realizes what's happening and screams, it appears to me that his right side is closest to Tio (he was actually facing Tio and not on one side of him or the other). Hence the most damage to Gus is on his right side.
EDIT: Upon further review, it looks like Gus was directly facing Tio right before the blast.
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Except we don't know how much time passed before Gus's scream and the actual blast - he could've turned to run and caught it on the right side.
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11-22-2011, 01:04 AM
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So is Gus dead for sure? He walks out of the room, and has damage to half his face. I think he probably is, but the writers left the door open...
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11-22-2011, 01:16 AM
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So is Gus dead for sure? He walks out of the room, and has damage to half his face. I think he probably is, but the writers left the door open...
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He was also missing a lot of brain tissue....
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11-22-2011, 03:57 AM
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So is Gus dead for sure? He walks out of the room, and has damage to half his face. I think he probably is, but the writers left the door open...
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It sounds like you missed the scene in the end-credits, where a runaway train ran into the nursing home, struck him, and carried his body off the edge of a steep cliff. Then a safe fell onto him. Did you not see that?
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So is Gus dead for sure? He walks out of the room, and has damage to half his face. I think he probably is, but the writers left the door open...
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Yes, he's confirmed dead. The writers said when writing season 4 that only one could be left alive at the end of the season in a "this town isn't big enough for both" fashion. This was before they knew there would be a season 5.
eta: I also thought he might be alive and that could have been a non-fatal injury as he did stand up, walk out, and straighten his tie. But then my g/f sent me an interview she found that he was actually dead.
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As far as we know, Skylar still doesn't know that Beneke is dead, right? Because when she gets that little bit of news I'm pretty sure she is going to freak.
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Why? He was a loose end.. now that the IRS is paid off, and he's dead, they don't have to worry too much about the IRS investigating the Whites. It's not like she was still having an affair -- her feelings turned to hatred when he took her $700k and bought a new mercedes and told her outright that he's not going to pay the IRS. No love lost there. Also, the fact that she admitted all that money was hers -- he could have used that as blackmail against the Whites to keep quiet. I think she'll be happy he's dead.
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Why? He was a loose end.. now that the IRS is paid off, and he's dead, they don't have to worry too much about the IRS investigating the Whites. It's not like she was still having an affair -- her feelings turned to hatred when he took her $700k and bought a new mercedes and told her outright that he's not going to pay the IRS. No love lost there. Also, the fact that she admitted all that money was hers -- he could have used that as blackmail against the Whites to keep quiet. I think she'll be happy he's dead.
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Yeah, the story could go that way, I don't think it will though, I think she is going to feel personally responsible for his death, and it's going to tear her up.
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11-22-2011, 08:13 AM
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...I also thought he might be alive and that could have been a non-fatal injury as he did stand up, walk out, and straighten his tie. ...
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But then, of course, we saw the OTHER side of his face/body, and it was quite apparent those were NOT survivable injuries... 
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A new interview on that scene with Vince Gilligan:
http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/12/18/br...season-finale/
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Wonderful make-up, but there’s no way you can take away parts of a person’s face without giving them grave medical damage. The make-up on his face was a placeholder.
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WTF? I thought these pampered actors were supposed to be dedicated to their craft!
...If you won't let them pop out your eyeball for the art...
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I shall miss that bell.
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I shall miss that bell.
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He gets lotsa work. He just showed up on "Person of Interest." Turns out he can speak English jest fine.
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Great, great read! Thanks for posting it...
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If you slow mo the scene's last "face-on" (heh!) perspective you can see that the (screen) left side is the model and the right side is him.
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