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Old 02-17-2014, 12:00 PM   #1
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Is Conan barfing?

NBC wanted to move Jay's 10pm show to 11:30 and shorten it to a half hour, leaving Conan's Tonight Show starting at midnight.

Conan said "No. That's not The Tonight Show. The Tonight Show doesn't start at midnight."

We know what happened.

Now, NBC has once again taken Jay off The Tongiht Show, and installed Fallon as its host.

He starts tonight.

Due to Olympics coverage, tho', local news won't start at 11pm. It'll start at 11:30.

When does Fallon's first Tonight Show start tonight?

Midnight.
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Permanent midnight is a bit different from a temporary later start time because the Olympics.
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Permanent midnight is a bit different from a temporary later start time because the Olympics.

It's just ironic, tho'. Plus, how long do you think a half hour show with Jay would have lasted? They ended up putting him out to pasture anyway HOW long after the Conan mess? I mean, it hasn't been that long.
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NBC wanted to move Jay's 10pm show to 11:30 and shorten it to a half hour, leaving Conan's Tonight Show starting at midnight. Conan said "No. That's not The Tonight Show. The Tonight Show doesn't start at midnight." We know what happened. Now, NBC has once again taken Jay off The Tongiht Show, and installed Fallon as its host. He starts tonight. Due to Olympics coverage, tho', local news won't start at 11pm. It'll start at 11:30. When does Fallon's first Tonight Show start tonight? Midnight.
Did Johnny Carson say the same when they shortened the show from 90 minutes to an hour. No, that's not the Tonight Show. Conan was a fool.
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Did Johnny Carson say the same when they shortened the show from 90 minutes to an hour. No, that's not the Tonight Show. Conan was a fool.
Conan's point was the start time, not the length. I don't know that Tonight would have been shortened.

Still, it's interesting that the midnight start time was his big thing, and here Fallon starts doing the show at that very hour.
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Conan is laughing his backside off. He gets a chance for the Tonight Show viewers to sample Conan before Jimmy.
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You're missing Conan's (well, his lawyer's really) point. His point was, NBC hired him to do the tonight show. He had a guaranteed contract for that. I haven't read Carter's book since it came out, so I don't remember whether that contract said the Tonight Show at 11:30, or simply the Tonight Show, but Conan's lawyers argued, successfully, that NBC owed Conan a ton of money if they were moving his show to 12, because a Tonight Show at 12 isn't really the Tonight Show
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Based on the title, I thought this thread would be about some rumor that Conan is bulimic.
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Old 02-17-2014, 01:28 PM   #9
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Based on the title, I thought this thread would be about some rumor that Conan is bulimic.
That's why you read the thread's opening post, tho'. To find out what's meant by its snazzy, attention getting title.
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apples to oranges comparison - the olympics is drawing over 20 million viewers and a 5 to 6 18-49yo share nightly. sure, many will turn away after the nightly games broadcast ends, and it'd be more desireable to start immediately after the olympics conclusion, but i'm sure fallon is happy to start his new hosting gig following the 30 minute local news break, with whoever's left watching, whether it's 10, 11, or 12pm.

a note for those who decided not to watch the russian sochi olympics this year: the ratings are down 10% to 15% in total viewers compared to vancouver in 2010, and 15% to 20% in the 18-49yo demographic.
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Did Johnny Carson say the same when they shortened the show from 90 minutes to an hour.
Not since that was his idea. (Also his idea to shorten it from 105 to 90 minutes years earlier.)
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It's just ironic, tho'. Plus, how long do you think a half hour show with Jay would have lasted? They ended up putting him out to pasture anyway HOW long after the Conan mess? I mean, it hasn't been that long.
It's been four years since O'Brien walked from the Tonight Show.

I suspect though that this time, it wasn't so much that NBC wanted Leno out as Lorne Michaels wanted in.
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it wasn't so much that NBC wanted Leno out as Lorne Michaels wanted in.
Ding ding ding.
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You're missing Conan's (well, his lawyer's really) point. His point was, NBC hired him to do the tonight show. He had a guaranteed contract for that. I haven't read Carter's book since it came out, so I don't remember whether that contract said the Tonight Show at 11:30, or simply the Tonight Show, but Conan's lawyers argued, successfully, that NBC owed Conan a ton of money if they were moving his show to 12, because a Tonight Show at 12 isn't really the Tonight Show
Especially since there would be a show going on right before his, at the same time as the show called The Tonight Show would air, starring the guy who was most recently hosting a show called The Tonight Show.

So it's really unclear how anyone with any amount of intellectual honesty could say that Conan's show would be The Tonight Show without their soul rotting.
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Well, the show that was going to air at 11:35 was called, "The Jay Leno Show".

The show that was going to air at 12:05 was called "The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien".

And IIRC, there was some language in the contract to allow for delaying the Tonight Show to 12:05 or so, due to things like football, the Olympics, etc.
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I still say that there's a world of difference between the midnight start time due to the Olympics and a permanent midnight start time with the Jay Leno show on before yours. I don't think the temporary midnight start this week is affecting Conan at all.
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NBC wanted to move Jay's 10pm show to 11:30 and shorten it to a half hour, leaving Conan's Tonight Show starting at midnight.

Conan said "No. That's not The Tonight Show. The Tonight Show doesn't start at midnight."

We know what happened.

Now, NBC has once again taken Jay off The Tongiht Show, and installed Fallon as its host.

He starts tonight.

Due to Olympics coverage, tho', local news won't start at 11pm. It'll start at 11:30.

When does Fallon's first Tonight Show start tonight?

Midnight.
OMG! Really? This is so unbelieveable! Why isn't this all over the news? The people should know!
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OMG! Really? This is so unbelieveable! Why isn't this all over the news? The people should know!
Haven't you finished shriveling up to nothing yet? We've been waiting so long...
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I still say that there's a world of difference between the midnight start time due to the Olympics and a permanent midnight start time with the Jay Leno show on before yours. I don't think the temporary midnight start this week is affecting Conan at all.
Well, it would have been only for 17 months or so.....


I believe that NBC's argument was that clause did allow that for as long as they liked.
I don't know what a judge would have said though.

That said, I agree with your second point. This doesn't affect O'Brien and I doubt he really cares.
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Did Johnny Carson say the same when they shortened the show from 90 minutes to an hour. No, that's not the Tonight Show. Conan was a fool.
Haven't fully read the thread yet (read posts before this one I'm replying to, skimmed the rest)..

He got $44 million IIRC due to being thrown off the Tonight Show... and a new show.

I'm not sure, I do sort of wonder what the alternate history would be if he had said yes to the demotion.

(Remember: The only one I watch in full _irregularly_(*) is Letterman. I Tivo the rest of the late night shows and FF through them for a few funny bits.. All of them, EVEN Leno, had some funny bits.)

(*) Though I have *tens* of them queued up. VLC is fixed nowadays, so I may start watching them at 2x on my iPad, and/or listen to just the audio as if a podcast, like I did long ago.
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I assume TBS is barfing at 500k viewers in the demo.
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I have only watched him once on TNT and that was for the walking dead episode.
Of course I am not in the demo but I have wondered what his ratings were?
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I have only watched him once on TNT and that was for the walking dead episode.
Of course I am not in the demo but I have wondered what his ratings were?
I posted a link in the other thread to a Hollywood Reporter article which sums up the late night ratings.

Basically, O'Brien is last in total viewers (853,000) and second to last in demo of the eight late night hosts.
His audience does skew the youngest though.
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You're missing Conan's (well, his lawyer's really) point. His point was, NBC hired him to do the tonight show. He had a guaranteed contract for that. I haven't read Carter's book since it came out, so I don't remember whether that contract said the Tonight Show at 11:30, or simply the Tonight Show, but Conan's lawyers argued, successfully, that NBC owed Conan a ton of money if they were moving his show to 12, because a Tonight Show at 12 isn't really the Tonight Show
Not to mention that a show that starts at 12:05 am shouldn't be called "Tonight," it should be called "Tomorrow." IIRC, that was one of the arguments his lawyers or PR people made at the time.
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You're missing Conan's (well, his lawyer's really) point. His point was, NBC hired him to do the tonight show. He had a guaranteed contract for that. I haven't read Carter's book since it came out, so I don't remember whether that contract said the Tonight Show at 11:30, or simply the Tonight Show, but Conan's lawyers argued, successfully, that NBC owed Conan a ton of money if they were moving his show to 12, because a Tonight Show at 12 isn't really the Tonight Show
Never heard that. What a dumb ruling. I guess the Simpsons aren't the Simpsons because the show moved more than once.
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Not since that was his idea. (Also his idea to shorten it from 105 to 90 minutes years earlier.)
Not really the point. The point is a show can change and still be the show.
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I have only watched him once on TNT and that was for the walking dead episode.
Me too!
I thought the walking dead homage sketch was pretty good but him as a host?
AWFUL.
I don't know how he has stayed on this long - his interviews with the cast were ridiculously bad.
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Conan is great. Yesterday I read that his average viewer age is 38, while even Fallon's is 54 or something like that.
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