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Old 04-04-2015, 02:32 AM   #1
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The Amazing Race "Get in That Lederhosen, Baby" - 4/3/2015 - *spoilers*

Well, yet another example of how you shouldn't bother signing up to go on TAR if you don't know how to drive a manual transmission. But it wasn't a big loss, as the two of them clearly couldn't stand each other and weren't good competitors, so they're lucky they made it as far as they did. But I can't believe they just gave up and took a cab. How long would you have to practice before you could at least get the car moving? 20-30 minutes, tops?

Once again, Haley shows what a wench she is. I loved when Tyler was sitting on the car, waiting for someone to show up with the fanny pack, and even he said he'd rather be in his position than in Blair's.

Speaking of Tyler, I'm kind of surprised they didn't get some kind of penalty for losing their passports, and I'm also surprised Jeff and Jackie didn't do something to make it more difficult or use it as a bargaining chip. Maybe at least try to get a hint for completing the task or something. I was pretty impressed with how well Laura handled that whole thing. Can you imagine how Haley would berated Blair if Blair had lost their passports?

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I'm confused about what happened with the can't drive guys. One of them drove for at least some distance and the other didn't even try? The one that did drive is the one who didn't want to quit or vice versa?

I'm a little conflicted about what Jeff and Jackie should have done with that pack, but really they should have just given it over when they pulled in. Either that or left it back at the starting point. Hiding it where it's easy to find was totally half-assed. If you're gonna be a bad guy, do it right. I still like those two, though. She's got a nice voice.

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Old 04-04-2015, 07:30 AM   #3
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I think what happened was that the one trying to drive told the other one that he needed his help with navigating and directions since he was having to concentrate so much on driving. And the other one apparently gets anxiety just sitting in the back seat trying to get the map and couldn't manage to do that, so he convinced the driving guy to quit even though he didn't really want to.

I am not good at driving a stick. But you better believe if I was going on the Amazing Race with an unknown quantity partner that I would be practicing like crazy before I went!

I felt so bad for Blair, I kept shouting at the tv, "will you just shut up you !#!#%! !#$%!#%" They should have let the Blair and the non-quitter gay guy ditch their teammates and team up.

As for the pack, maybe there is a rule, like in Survivor where you're not allowed to steal the immunity idol, that you can't really steal or mess with someone's fanny pack. So, maybe once it was left in the car, it had to stay in the car and they weren't allowed to remove it and leave it back on the sidewalk or anything.

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Old 04-04-2015, 09:47 AM   #4
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In (a bit of) fairness, Munich is a good sized city and city driving is probably the worst if you're having trouble with a stick.

But yeah, why would you go on TAR without learning to drive a stick?

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I don't understand why they changed cars.

Blair will probably have a lot of sympathetic women all over him after this.

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Old 04-04-2015, 10:07 AM   #6
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In (a bit of) fairness, Munich is a good sized city and city driving is probably the worst if you're having trouble with a stick.
I'm sure it would be nerve wracking. And potentially dangerous. But the instructions were to drive themselves somewhere relatively far away from Munich, so they had to know that if they took a cab, they'd get a penalty. So rather than give up, why not at least try a little longer?

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Old 04-04-2015, 10:09 AM   #7
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As for the pack, maybe there is a rule, like in Survivor where you're not allowed to steal the immunity idol, that you can't really steal or mess with someone's fanny pack. So, maybe once it was left in the car, it had to stay in the car and they weren't allowed to remove it and leave it back on the sidewalk or anything.
I wondered about this, too. I love the show, but I really wish we were privy to all of the rules that the contestants have to abide by.

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Old 04-04-2015, 10:15 AM   #8
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I don't understand why they changed cars.
They changed cars because Laura apparently isn't great at driving a stick. When she first let out the clutch, the car popped up onto the curb. Rather than try to maneuver back and forth out of that parallel parking spot, they decided to just jump in the car in front of it, because it was at the end of the row and didn't have another car parked in front of it, so they could just drive straight ahead without having to maneuver out of that tight spot.

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Speaking of Tyler, I'm kind of surprised they didn't get some kind of penalty for losing their passports, and I'm also surprised Jeff and Jackie didn't do something to make it more difficult or use it as a bargaining chip. Maybe at least try to get a hint for completing the task or something.
We've seen a team get penaltied in the past for slightly messing with another team's task supplies (kicking over a parts box or something like that). This probably would've been even more egregious. As to whether it would draw a penalty? Who knows?

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I believe the rule is you cannot check in without your passports. Having to sit and wait like what happened here, or having to backtrack and find it is penalty enough IMO.

I think purposely sabotaging/denying another team's equipment/items needed to continue the race is against the rules. If it weren't it would probably happen more often. Them moving it under the seat is probably the most they could do without it becoming too ugly and facing a penalty of their own.

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Old 04-04-2015, 12:52 PM   #11
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There is a penalty for touching or tampering with another team's possessions. I don't know if we've ever seen a team get penalized for it, but we've definitely seen teams mention that they can't touch another team's stuff.

There was one time that a team had left their bags in the back of a cab and another team came up to take the cab, but said they couldn't remove another team's bags, so the driver removed the bags and took the team.

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I wonder just how many penalties those guys racked up by not driving the car after the initial one where they had to wait 2 hours, since they couldn't drive themselves through the obstacle course, and the next clues also said "drive yourselves". Not that it made any difference in the outcome but I wonder if they technically got like 6+ hours worth of penalties.

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Old 04-04-2015, 03:51 PM   #13
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I wonder just how many penalties those guys racked up by not driving the car after the initial one where they had to wait 2 hours, since they couldn't drive themselves through the obstacle course, and the next clues also said "drive yourselves". Not that it made any difference in the outcome but I wonder if they technically got like 6+ hours worth of penalties.
Our guess was that the "let's just go back to the train station" conversation was preceded by a producer telling them "You're essentially Philiminated already, since the last team is on their way to the pit stop. We need you to go to the train station so that Phil can meet you at a travel via point for the next leg since you have no meaningful way to actually get to the tasks. Muster what dignity you can for this next filming segment."

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Old 04-04-2015, 07:33 PM   #14
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There is a penalty for touching or tampering with another team's possessions. I don't know if we've ever seen a team get penalized for it, but we've definitely seen teams mention that they can't touch another team's stuff.

There was one time that a team had left their bags in the back of a cab and another team came up to take the cab, but said they couldn't remove another team's bags, so the driver removed the bags and took the team.
The twins picked up and kept the money dropped by the rockers. I think they even split the money with another team. The rockers had to beg in Bangladesh in order to have enough money to continue.

I don't remember any penalties for the twins.

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I think this is the first time that not being able to drive stick led so directly to a Philimination. Awesome!

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Old 04-05-2015, 10:03 PM   #16
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Can't go wrong with an episode in beautiful fun Bavaria! Nice mix of challenges although I wish "drinking" the beer was one if them.

I had hopes early on that things would change for Blair and Haley, but she is just non-stop obnoxious. In fact, she is so bad that I wouldn't be surprised if the show is egging her on to keep up the entertainment value or she is doing it as a personal stunt to make herself a known "character". Not the kind of character I would want to watch again.

Like the Olympic athlete team. Not much love simmering in the blind dates...

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Old 04-06-2015, 02:44 AM   #17
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Okay.... So if there was any question whether Hayley was a victim of editing or is really as annoying as she is portrayed, this episode pretty much puts it to rest...

Wow... Simply wow...

I am surprised that the couple in the blue Ford didn't admit to finding the fanny pack and used it to establish a strong relationship with the couple who lost it... If they did that, they could have avoided a future U-Turn...

But instead, they decide to hide it (poorly) in the car and let them find it after acting very elusive when questioned about it? This has actually put a target on their back for a future U-Turn (or other consequence). If you are going to screw them, really screw them...throw the fanny pack in the garbage can before arriving at the detour... Put the fanny pack in your backpack before leaving the car... I think they really screwed up...

Haven't people realized that going on the Amazing Race without knowing how to drive a stick shift is the equivalent of going on Survivor without learning how to make fire (or knowing how to swim)?

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Old 04-06-2015, 08:07 AM   #18
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Haven't people realized that going on the Amazing Race without knowing how to drive a stick shift is the equivalent of going on Survivor without learning how to make fire (or knowing how to swim)?
Ha! That's the exact same analogy my wife made (even used those same two Survivor examples). Yeah that was no great loss: giving up like that and getting so flustered over nothing, really... yikes. It didn't even seem like the drivers around them were giving them any hassle; they were just freaking out over basically nothing. How can you get nervous when you can't even get the car to go more than 10 mph? If they really wanted to get flustered they should come to Boston and trying learning to drive manual transmission on our streets .

I had to pause and wait for laughter to subside when Tyler was giving Blair sympathetic looks and saying "good luck" after the driving backwards challenge. Loved it! Then Blair telling Hayley he just wanted to talk to someone who wasn't angry at him. Wow, she is a handful! They have to be editing her to make her seem even worse than she is... don't they?

I wonder what people think when they see themselves on TV like this? Does Hayley try to change? Does Jeff see today's episode and think "man, I was a total ass to Jackie; I'll have to work on that?" Or, do they just say that it was all in the editing and forget about it?

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Kurt seemed like a total ****** and didn't give a crap. Bergen had said that Kurt didn't need the money and it sure seemed like it. Once he determined Bergen wasn't the man of his dreams he pretty much stopped trying. I felt bad for Bergen.

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I can almost understand the stick driving thing if you absolutely know who your partner is and you know that they can drive stick. But if you don't know who it is going to be? No way!

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The funny thing to me is, if you already know how to drive, driving stick isn't that hard to learn, even on the fly with no instruction. They did have to drive a bit through Munich, but it looked like a lot of it was open road as well, which is even easier. I don't see why they gave up, but as far as the show, it was no great loss. I don't think anyone was really rooting for them - I certainly wasn't.

I remember Jeff Goldblum being on Top Gear not knowing how to drive stick, and he still did the lap, albeit he did the entire lap in second gear.

And Haley... just wow. I think it's only partly editing, but she is the most bickery bickerer I've seen in a long time. I remarked to my wife that she obviously has no chance Blair, and she'll be hard pressed to find a love connection with anyone who's seen the show or knows how to use google. I really hope she is watching the show and seeing herself from another point of view.

Or it could all be an act just so she can gain some notoriety, to try to parlay that into some future endeavor.

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I wish they'd get a new sponsor. I've had enough of the Ford Focus.

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Did only some of the cars have GPS, because some used it and some got lost. Or just some found it in the head unit and others not?

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Did only some of the cars have GPS, because some used it and some got lost. Or just some found it in the head unit and others not?
I think most of the teams didn't realize the cars had GPS until after they got the second clue, which specifically said that they could use the car's GPS system.

I only recall one team finding the GPS before that, but I might have been half-watching at the time.

Personally, that is something that I would always check immediately.

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I think they were specifically told they couldn't use GPS for the leg from Munich to the Winter Wonderland factory. But then the clue they received at that place told them they could start using it.

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The funny thing to me is, if you already know how to drive, driving stick isn't that hard to learn, even on the fly with no instruction.
Personally, I think it is.

I bought a car on that "it can't be that hard to learn" principle in 2003 when the color I wanted was not available in automatic, and I traded it in 3 years later for an automatic because while I did learn to drive it adequately on flat ground, I could never truly get the hang of hills and they made me extremely anxious because I'd just roll back into the other cars or keep stalling it. If I couldn't plan a route where there'd be no hills in my trip, I would not go anywhere, and as a result spent a long time not going anywhere because I was afraid to drive my car.

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Personally, I think it is.

I bought a car on that "it can't be that hard to learn" principle in 2003 when the color I wanted was not available in automatic, and I traded it in 3 years later for an automatic because while I did learn to drive it adequately on flat ground, I could never truly get the hang of hills and they made me extremely anxious because I'd just roll back into the other cars or keep stalling it. If I couldn't plan a route where there'd be no hills in my trip, I would not go anywhere, and as a result spent a long time not going anywhere because I was afraid to drive my car.
But you did learn.

Moving from a stop on a hill is a challenge, granted, but there were other teams that didn't know how to drive a manual transmission and were able to complete the challenge successfully.

They gave up because one was a coward and the other was a pushover.

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But you did learn.

Moving from a stop on a hill is a challenge, granted, but there were other teams that didn't know how to drive a manual transmission and were able to complete the challenge successfully.

They gave up because one was a coward and the other was a pushover.
I don't really blame the pushover. It would be hard to drag a partner that gave up through the race. Season 3 being the exception, of course.

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I think they were specifically told they couldn't use GPS for the leg from Munich to the Winter Wonderland factory. But then the clue they received at that place told them they could start using it.
But some of them used it inside Munich, because they showed shots of them, with the navi telling them to get on the A9.

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I think they were specifically told they couldn't use GPS for the leg from Munich to the Winter Wonderland factory. But then the clue they received at that place told them they could start using it.
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But some of them used it inside Munich, because they showed shots of them, with the navi telling them to get on the A9.
Yep - I don't recall them being told that they couldn't use it, they were just not told about it.

This reminds me of the previous season where the teams had reservations already made for a flight, but the clue never said that they had to use that flight, so only one team got an advantage because they changed their flight.

Anything that might be an advantage should be actively sought out at all times on this show.

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