Top Shot Season 2

RonDawg · 01-17-2011, 05:23 PM

Debuts February 8. History Channel has been showing promo videos for it last weekend, in-between Ax Men and Top Gear.

http://www.history.com/shows/top-shot with info on this season's participants. Not surprisingly, there are a couple of cops, several ex-military, and even a cowboy shooter a la Denny Chapman.

Even though Season 2 has yet to air, the producers are already taking preliminary applications for Season 3.

MikeMar · 01-17-2011, 05:26 PM

Oh F-yeah, 3 seasons!!!!

LOVE shooting stuff

Ment · 01-17-2011, 06:35 PM

More hot girls with guns please.

vertigo235 · 01-17-2011, 09:08 PM

I enjoyed the first season, but I couldn't help but think most of the contestants really weren't very good. Certainly not experts, IMO. Hopefully this season will have some more impressive shooting since they had the first season as a promo of sorts.

MikeMar · 03-14-2011, 07:14 AM

I'll just use this thread

This season so far has been great! The people aren't too annoying, but the competitions are great!

Loved the speed shooting one last ep, and that they brought back JJ and Blake (Think that are their names) for the experts.

Big Deficit · 03-14-2011, 03:22 PM

The gun they used was designed by and named after JJ. I'm guessing it looks much better in person, because it looked like a cheap movie prop to me. Seems like things are getting more personal now, or at least the producers are making it seem so.

MikeMar · 03-14-2011, 03:26 PM

He produced that??

I thought they said there were only a few dozen in the world and one of the ones used WAS JJ's, not that he designed it.

MarkofT · 03-14-2011, 04:18 PM

One of the little popup facts they flashed on the screen stated that the gun was named after JJ. I don't know how much input he had into the design of the gun.

Amnesia · 03-14-2011, 05:34 PM

From the Limcat Website:

The Razorcat was designed for Limcat team shooter JJ “Razor” Racaza, based on his preferences for an Open gun. The result is a short, fast cycling gun that includes the new long threaded V-6 Razorcomp and L-Cut slide. The Razorcat can be chambered for 9mm Major or .38 Super (or super comp) and is also designed for Open Division USPSA and IPSC competition.

RonDawg · 03-18-2011, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeMar

This season so far has been great! The people aren't too annoying, but the competitions are great!

I finally got to watch this season's shows, so far the first two. For some reason my U-verse DVR never bothered to record them

Good thing for iTunes.

I love the competitions so far. The one with them shooting at targets while being shot at with paintballs by the opposing team has been my favorite so far.

Is it me or is Coby really overdoing the play-by-play narration this season? I don't recall him being this bad last year.

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Originally Posted by Ment

More hot girls with guns please.

Especially the one that has more than a passing resemblance to Angelina Jolie

The Asian chick...meh

MikeMar · 03-18-2011, 12:45 PM

Loved the last episode, especially the blowgun elimination. That was cool!

RonDawg · 03-19-2011, 08:42 AM

Just finished episodes 3 and 4. Jermaine, dude, WTF??? Two identical brain farts in a row?

I'm disappointed in Daryl, the police lieutenant on the blue team. Rather than bitch and moan about Jay's "leadership style" to anybody who would listen including members of red team, as an experienced commanding officer himself (both in law enforcement and the military) he should have taken the opportunity to mentor Jay and foster what leadership potential Jay may have had in him. There are no "ranks" in Top Shot so it's not like Daryl was going to be written up for insubordination.

Instead, Daryl waits until Jay fought his way back onto the team and Daryl was forced to give that lame-azz apology for breaking ranks and shooting Jay's target instead of letting Jermaine decide as previously agreed. That lack of cohesiveness I think is what cost them in the compound bow competition, since NOBODY offered to tell Maggie what she was doing wrong. Even red team felt sorry for her.

I'll miss Maggie. Yeah she sucked at compound bow but I think she was the best hope for blue team to become more focused as a team.

sieglinde · 03-19-2011, 07:11 PM

I missed the entire thing and I had enjoyed the first season. I was gone when it started and must have decided that my Tivo was too full. (why didn't I record it on my series II.) Oh well, will watch the third season.

snowjay · 03-19-2011, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RonDawg

Just finished episodes 3 and 4. Jermaine, dude, WTF??? Two identical brain farts in a row?

I'm disappointed in Daryl, the police lieutenant on the blue team. Rather than bitch and moan about Jay's "leadership style" to anybody who would listen including members of red team, as an experienced commanding officer himself (both in law enforcement and the military) he should have taken the opportunity to mentor Jay and foster what leadership potential Jay may have had in him. There are no "ranks" in Top Shot so it's not like Daryl was going to be written up for insubordination.

Instead, Daryl waits until Jay fought his way back onto the team and Daryl was forced to give that lame-azz apology for breaking ranks and shooting Jay's target instead of letting Jermaine decide as previously agreed. That lack of cohesiveness I think is what cost them in the compound bow competition, since NOBODY offered to tell Maggie what she was doing wrong. Even red team felt sorry for her.

I'll miss Maggie. Yeah she sucked at compound bow but I think she was the best hope for blue team to become more focused as a team.

I don't think Jay cares to be mentored. He hasn't taken the simplest advice given to him, forget trying to critique his "leadership."

MikeMar · 03-19-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sieglinde

I missed the entire thing and I had enjoyed the first season. I was gone when it started and must have decided that my Tivo was too full. (why didn't I record it on my series II.) Oh well, will watch the third season.

It repeats a lot, I'm sure the whole season will repeat many time before next season. Its not like History Channel has a lot of other stuff

vertigo235 · 03-19-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sieglinde

I missed the entire thing and I had enjoyed the first season. I was gone when it started and must have decided that my Tivo was too full. (why didn't I record it on my series II.) Oh well, will watch the third season.

It's far from over, I think there has only been 6 or 7 episodes of season 2

RonDawg · 03-19-2011, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by snowjay

I don't think Jay cares to be mentored. He hasn't taken the simplest advice given to him, forget trying to critique his "leadership."

Perhaps not. But, except for instructors, nobody tried to mentor him at all. Except for perhaps Maggie, all of the other blue team members share the blame for the team dynamic.

But because he is a police lieutenant (albeit with a mere 5 years' experience per his History Channel bio) and a former Marine Corps officer, I hold Daryl most accountable for failing to address the underlying issues that negatively impacted team cohesiveness. Would he tolerate that kind of back talk and backstabbing within his own squad at his job? My own "Ell-Tee" certainly wouldn't.

Instead, Daryl simply focused his efforts into back talk and overall negativity. The very opposite of leadership.

I'm not letting Jay off the hook either. He ultimately is responsible for his own behavior. But, I do believe he was totally unaware, or totally clueless, about him rubbing everybody else the wrong way. You saw that during Daryl's too little, too late, totally lame "sort of" apology. Jay looked genuinely surprised when Daryl finally confronted him about his behavior.

Jay has had only a year's firearms' experience, so the fact that he can not only make it onto the show, but also out-shot far more experienced peers and rivals, perhaps sparked quite a bit of jealousy. Daryl mentioned that he's used to being in charge, so I do think that Daryl felt threatened when someone else was in charge.

I checked out the Top Shot forums at History.com and opinions over there about Daryl are even harsher, with some questioning his integrity and a few even accusing him of being a racist.

Spoiler:

sieglinde · 03-20-2011, 10:45 AM

I'll start watching it when episode 201 shows up.

Thanks

RonDawg · 03-20-2011, 10:02 PM

Just finished episodes 5 and 6 so now I'm all caught up.

Blue team seems to have quite literally "buried the hatchet" with Jay. I do have to give Jay credit for resisting getting his revenge on Daryl and jumping on the "let's send Daryl to elimination for screwing up the tomahawk throw" bandwagon that his teammates did. Instead he backed Daryl's decision to send Chris T. as his competitor, and was the only one to do so.

Red team does appear to be stronger than blue at this point, but I think George's outright dismissal of Jay and Kyle's abilities might turn against them. Even Chris R. has expressed concern that Jay may not be as weak as his teammates believe.

For Jay to only begin firearms training a year earlier and yet has managed to hang on this far is pretty amazing. Some folks may not care for his refusal to accept instruction on occasion, but so far it's worked for him, and he did very well with the 1911 in episode 5 despite his insistence on the "cup and saucer" hold on the firearm.

Speaking of George, he's a curious one. He's gotten to trash-talking Jamie, and yet when Jamie was successful with the tomahawk exercises George was the one cheering him on the most. But George was also the one who did convince the others to send Jamie to elimination, but they ended up losing Eric instead.

George seems to hinge his behavior (which comes across even WORSE with his posts on the Top Shot forums on History.com) on his perception about Jamie being secretive with his Navy career. To his credit, Jamie has posted exactly what he has done in the Navy over at the Top Shot forums, and IMHO his resume is a lot more impressive than George's.

I do hope Jamie gets Top Shot. He's one to simply let his skills do the talking. He may not have the experience or competition wins of some of the others, but frankly the so-called "favorites" haven't necessarily lived up to their reputations either.

snowjay · 03-22-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RonDawg

For Jay to only begin firearms training a year earlier and yet has managed to hang on this far is pretty amazing. Some folks may not care for his refusal to accept instruction on occasion, but so far it's worked for him, and he did very well with the 1911 in episode 5 despite his insistence on the "cup and saucer" hold on the firearm.

The issue I have with him not taking instruction is that in his interviews he basically mocks their efforts and keeps saying he just wants them "to show me how to shoot faster."

Well pal, you ain't gonna do it holding the firearm like that.

vertigo235 · 03-22-2011, 01:03 PM

While I respect his whole "don't change the fundamentals", he could at least try to hold it the way they recommend. He mind find that he likes it better...

Unbeliever · 03-22-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by vertigo235

While I respect his whole "don't change the fundamentals", he could at least try to hold it the way they recommend. He mind find that he likes it better...

He posts on Calguns. He does the Weaver now.

Edit: "swingcoach" on calguns.

--Carlos V.

vertigo235 · 03-22-2011, 03:21 PM

I wonder if he can shoot faster now

Steve_Martin · 03-22-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Unbeliever

He posts on Calguns. He does the Weaver now.

Edit: "swingcoach" on calguns.

--Carlos V.

His original reasoning was "I don't want to change things now".

Wow, calguns is big! (I post there too occasionally)

RonDawg · 03-23-2011, 06:17 PM

With this last episode, I don't understand why individual members of blue team chose the various challenges that they did. For example, if Daryl is supposedly the best trick-shooter of the team, he should have done the final challenge (plates spread far apart) since I thought that was the hardest and you get the most points from it. Kyle, the weakest shooter of the four, should have done the corn cob shoot.

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Originally Posted by Steve_Martin

His original reasoning was "I don't want to change things now".

And I can see that reasoning. They don't have a lot of official practice time before each competition, aren't allowed to leave the ranch to go to a local gun range, and for safety reasons aren't allowed to their own practicing with firearms the way they did with the blowgun and tomahawk competitions.

Steve_Martin · 03-23-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RonDawg

And I can see that reasoning. They don't have a lot of official practice time before each competition, aren't allowed to leave the ranch to go to a local gun range, and for safety reasons aren't allowed to their own practicing with firearms the way they did with the blowgun and tomahawk competitions.

I agree with his reasoning too. The pros should just help him fine tune his techniques with the limited time available. He seems to have earned back the respect of most of his team (what's left of it).

Einselen · 03-25-2011, 07:13 AM

Just found out that my cow-orker was in the Marine Corp with Joe (he was the corncob shooter for the red team).

RonDawg · 03-30-2011, 02:04 AM

O. M. G.

I did NOT expect Jay to beat Daryl in the elimination challenge for the "Catch .22" episode. And neither did the rest of the contestants (except of course Jay).

Jay deserved to go to elimination challenge again. I thought his stubbornness and refusal to accept instruction was going to cost him this time, and his S-L-O-W-N-E-S-S during the team competition definitely cost them the win. With only 5 points separating them, by simply picking up the pace, Jay could have easily helped blue team win this time.

But as Daryl said, Jay has this remarkable ability to pull magic tricks out of his azz just as you think he's going to fall flat on his face.

(As an aside, I'm not sure why Daryl didn't start off with the more difficult but greater gain moving targets? The team knows Jay is a slowpoke, and Daryl could have made up for that by concentrating on the moving targets first, since he's the best shot of the 3.)

I'm looking forward to the next episode, just to see everybody's reaction back at the house.

Spoiler:

Unbeliever · 03-30-2011, 11:03 AM

Jay lucked out on the challenge. The sight picture didn't move. It just got smaller.

--Carlos V.

snowjay · 03-30-2011, 05:35 PM

I don't understand why Daryl didn't go first either, he would of been up to the bench twice.

That bullseye shooting stance is weak, and I'll say it again it wouldn't be a big deal for him to move that support hand, even less of an issue than on a hand gun.

Daryl losing the challenge was disappointing. He had the lead and blew it, he was still trying to go fast. Jay gets lucky again.