Survivor - 12/15/10

[VegasVic]

Good riddance Jane. Alliances change, that's part of the game.

Jane's only possible chance to stay in was to vote for Holly and hope Dan and Fabio do the same. So she votes for Sash, who she knew had to play the idol. Idiot.

[terpfan1980]

Originally Posted by VegasVic

Good riddance Jane. Alliances change, that's part of the game.

Jane's only possible chance to stay in was to vote for Holly and hope Dan and Fabio do the same. So she votes for Sash, who she knew had to play the idol. Idiot.

She may have assumed that Sash might give the idol to Holly based on her putting the target on Holly's back, but then again given Sash's prior history, no way he gives the HII to anyone else.

I was telling my daughter (as we discussed what happened after it aired) that Jane really screwed up in not really working over Fabio and Dan to get the vote against Holly. She knew that Chase had the idol, or at least she blurted it out at Tribal, and they could certainly see it that point which should have solidified a vote against Holly to break up that potential 3 way alliance. That Dan and Fabio voted for anyone but Holly shows how stupid they were. They should have forced the tie and taken their chances, especially with Fabio having won the idol anyway.

Getting Jane to flip on her original alliance was, in many ways, their only real chance to stay, short of winning more of the immunity challenges. Dan has almost no chance to win a physical challenge so he should have known he was gone anyway, and Fabio should have figured out by now that the target was on him but he keeps playing as if he really does trust Chase and Sash.

[Magister]

I think Fabio is betting he can win challenges into the final and didn't want to see Jane there. Dan is worthless.

I was really hoping for a tie. Would have been a lot of fun.

[acegolfer]

Who do you think will win, if Sash, Chase, Holly get to the final 3?

[VegasVic]

I don't know if anyone is really ticked at Holly. Maybe Dan for when she stole his shoes.

[DevdogAZ]

There may not be a smart player left in this game. That was a clinic of how not to play Survivor. First, you can't get pissed when you don't get chosen to go on a reward. There are only so many spots and some people have to get left behind. Deal with it.

Second, you don't tell the person you're voting for that they're going home. It will give them a chance to scramble and possibly screw up your plans. Especially when there are just as many people outside your alliance as in it. Blindsides are always better.

Third, if you're on the chopping block, and there are an equal number of people outside the dominant alliance as in it, you get the other people who are outside the dominant alliance to vote against a member of the alliance.

Fourth, if you're at tribal council and the dominant alliance basically tells you you're next on the chopping block, you don't then vote along with them. Especially when Probst basically inserts himself into the game and tells you what you need to do in order to stay in the game.

Fifth, if you're on the chopping block and you're the best person at making fire, you should be doing everything you can to force a tie so you can win the tiebreaker and take control of the game.

Finally, if you're going home, don't show the world how immature you are by dousing the fire. That was just petty.

But I can't say I'm unhappy with the result. Jane is a hateful, spiteful wench and I'm glad to see her gone. And the rest of them were right to think they wouldn't be able to beat her. I'm just baffled at what Dan and Fabio were thinking voting along with the group that wants you gone next.

[pudding7]

What a sorry bunch of Survivor players. I don't care for anyone on the jury, and I don't care for anyone still playing. My wife were trying to predict jury votes but it's impossible because these people are just all over the place.

[Neenahboy]

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the Jane vote was initially intended as a blindside but ultimately scrapped to get Chase and his pansy ass on board. There's no WAY Sash and Holly could execute a play like that with so big a wild card hanging over their heads.

From my perspective, their choice was to either:

(a) tell Jane, wait out her wrath, and attempt to use it to convince Chase while accepting the consequences of her exposing their immediate plans that should have been well known to Fabio and Dan anyway; or

(b) keep Jane in the dark and risk Chase (aka the impulsive Jane loyalist) breaking rank to form an alliance with Jane, throwing the game into complete disarray

The latter seems like the riskier proposition, because Jane has contributed nothing of substance to the strategic side of the game, and any plan involving her taking a front-row seat seemed destined to fail. To protect against the scenario introduced by Probst, either Sash or Chase probably should have used their HII to insulate Holly, but what's done is done. Either way, I don't think a blindside was feasible with Chase in the picture.

[DevdogAZ]

That's my point. These people, especially Chase, are a bunch of boneheads. If they knew anything about how to play the game, they would have lied to Jane. And if Jane, Fabio or Dan had half a brain, they'd have tried to make a move. Jeff really tried to clue them in, but even with his meddling, they still couldn't figure it out.

[acegolfer]

I agree that these players are idiots but

1. Dan can get into final 3 arguing that he has done nothing so far and won't win.
2. Fabio thinks he can win the challenges and get himself in the final 3.
3. Chase could have saved Jane by giving his HII to her. After all, Chase didn't want to take Jane to the end. Perhaps, he thinks he can get Jane's jury vote to beat Holly and Sash in the final 3.
4. Jane? She should have convinced the other 3 that she's not a lock to win. The others were convinced that Jane will win it all but I still don't see why that's the case. She should have told Chase and Holly that they can't beat Sash in the final 3. From the jury pool, Sash has the most vote, imho.
5. Holly. Once she knows Jane is going home, she needed to talk to Jane to win her jury vote. It looks Holly tried to avoid Jane.
6. Sash. Arguably, the best strategic player left in the game. I hate his arrogance but he is playing the smartest.

[steve614]

I'm surprised that Dan, Jane, and Fabio didn't vote for Holly after that tribal counsel. I would have taken my chances with a tie.

Oh, and Fabio has a MILF!

[LifeIsABeach]

I don't read Jeff's blog nor do I read these threads after they get a page or two long. What is Jane's background that supposedly makes her a shoe-in? I know if I were on the jury I would vote for the best player, not the one with the best story (after all who even knows if someone is lying or not ala Johnny Fairplay).

[heySkippy]

Chase sure has a big mouth. I loved how Jeff forced Sash and Holly to confirm what Chase said about who goes next. It was painfully clear they didn't want that to be openly said.

[bikegeek]

Originally Posted by steve614

I'm surprised that Dan, Jane, and Fabio didn't vote for Holly after that tribal counsel. I would have taken my chances with a tie.

Oh, and Fabio has a MILF!

[IJustLikeTivo]

Originally Posted by pudding7

What a sorry bunch of Survivor players. I don't care for anyone on the jury, and I don't care for anyone still playing. My wife were trying to predict jury votes but it's impossible because these people are just all over the place.

+1. Sad sad season. It's not compelling at all. I barely pay attention and I wait several days to watch and don't care if it get spoiled since I honestly don't give a darn who wins. ( well, as long as it isn't Dan. He may be the most useless person ever)

[betts4]

After all the shenigans at last nights tribal, I would love it if Dan was the winner in the end. Simply because he hasn't done anything all season. I would laugh and laugh. I don't understand why when it was brought out in tribal that there was an alliance of 3, and Jeff outlined the steps that could happen with the votes that it didn't go that way. Stupid. Is Fabio thinking not only that he can win in challenges but also that this move may bring him back in favor with Chase? He was like a little boy crying about losing his best friend when Chase didn't pick him for the reward. Then instead of going against the man that has kicked you out of the alliance, he brown noses and votes the way they wanted him to do it. bleh. stupid.

[laria]

Originally Posted by DevdogAZ

Fifth, if you're on the chopping block and you're the best person at making fire, you should be doing everything you can to force a tie so you can win the tiebreaker and take control of the game.

I don't think Jane is necessarily any good at making fire. She might be, but we've never actually seen her make a fire from scratch. She started it originally with her glasses and the sun, and the one time we saw her make her own fire off in the woods to cook her fish that she caught, she stole a coal out of the camp's fire to make it because the sun was too low to start another one with her glasses.

Originally Posted by LifeIsABeach

I don't read Jeff's blog nor do I read these threads after they get a page or two long. What is Jane's background that supposedly makes her a shoe-in?

They've never actually come out and said it on the show which is frustrating and I don't think Jeff has really said in his blog. From these threads and passing mention on the show, I gather that her husband recently died, leaving her and her daughter behind to take care of their farm.

[Steveknj]

Two things struck me after watching last night:

1) I say this every year, but don't these people EVER watch Survivor before coming on the show? I am amazed that time and time again, these players, when they realize their alliance turns on them and they get voted out, whine and whine about how they were back stabbed and how the other players lied to them and all that. People, if you don't want to be lied to, don't go on Survivor (or into politics ). Lying is a major portion of the game, and you should NEVER be surprised that any of these people lie to you. And to top it all off, they TOLD her why she was being voted off!!

2) Is it me, or is Probst inserting himself more and more into the game to try and help determine the outcome. I don't see how it's fair to the other players that he basically LAID out the strategy of how to foil the alliances plan!! Is that fair? The fact that these people are too stupid to heed his advice has nothing to do with it. It makes me think he is trying to manipulate the game so that certain players make it to the finals. Yes, I know they show only a small portion of the TC, but the fact that they did show it the way they did is interesting.

I though this season had some potential, but it quickly has gone south. Of course it is being compared to the last two Russell seasons which were up there as some of the most interesting Survivors ever, so this was never going to look as good.

[betts4]

Originally Posted by Steveknj

2) Is it me, or is Probst inserting himself more and more into the game to try and help determine the outcome. I don't see how it's fair to the other players that he basically LAID out the strategy of how to foil the alliances plan!! Is that fair? The fact that these people are too stupid to heed his advice has nothing to do with it. It makes me think he is trying to manipulate the game so that certain players make it to the finals. Yes, I know they show only a small portion of the TC, but the fact that they did show it the way they did is interesting.

I wonder if he is doing this BECAUSE they are so stupid.

[Steveknj]

Originally Posted by betts4

I wonder if he is doing this BECAUSE they are so stupid.

Maybe it is, but either way, I just don't like the idea of the host trying to change the game based on who knows what. I always considered the host of these types of shows as the "referee" Imagine if football ref told a WR to cut across the field 5 yards further down the field because the defense is playing a certain way. Of course it's up to the WR to decide if he wants to do this. For Jeff to ask questions regarding what has happened and what might happen is ok. To out and out try to coerce a player into revealing their strategy or even lead his questioning toward that conclusion to me is akin to that situation.

[heySkippy]

IMO, Jeff is and always has been more than the host. At TC and sometimes in challenges, he's part of the game. I see him as a wild card the contestants must adapt to and deal with. His job is to make Survivor more entertaining for us and as long as he doesn't play favorites, I don't see it as unfair.

[heySkippy]

Jeff's blog - http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/12/16/je...ua-episode-14/

[Steveknj]

Originally Posted by heySkippy

IMO, Jeff is and always has been more than the host. At TC and sometimes in challenges, he's part of the game. I see him as a wild card the contestants must adapt to and deal with. His job is to make Survivor more entertaining for us and as long as he doesn't play favorites, I don't see it as unfair.

Maybe I am looking at it wrong, but last night, it seemed to me that he was absolutely playing favorites. I felt, for whatever reason, he was trying to save Jane. And he did this by planting the seed that the non-aligned should band together and vote out Holly. It has seemed in the past he's played favorites, just in his comments toward other contestants, and you can clearly tell that there's some he likes better than others by the names he calls them by. It's one thing to make it entertaining, it's another to steer the direction of a "GAME SHOW" which is, essentially what this is. I think, in this case, he felt having Jane in the finals would have been more interesting than those who are left (and I agree, even though I don't particularly LIKE Jane), but that doesn't make it right for him to "help" her.

[Steveknj]

Originally Posted by heySkippy

Jeff's blog - http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/12/16/je...ua-episode-14/

Does Jeff write his blog during the filming or afterward? If it's after, does he know who will win before the finale in LA when they reveal the winner? If so, I find it kind of interesting that he "handicaps" who will win, even though he already knows the answer.

[laria]

Originally Posted by Steveknj

Does Jeff write his blog during the filming or afterward? If it's after, does he know who will win before the finale in LA when they reveal the winner? If so, I find it kind of interesting that he "handicaps" who will win, even though he already knows the answer.

He writes them afterwards, although I'm sure that he takes notes during the filming. He obviously knows who made it to the final tribal, but I don't think he gets to look in the vote bucket until the finale.

[heySkippy]

Jeff doesn't need to look in the vote bucket. Every contestant shows their vote to the camera before putting it in the bucket. There's no doubt in my mind that Jeff knows who won before the season airs.

[hummingbird_206]

Originally Posted by DevdogAZ

Jane is a hateful, spiteful wench and I'm glad to see her gone. And the rest of them were right to think they wouldn't be able to beat her. I'm just baffled at what Dan and Fabio were thinking voting along with the group that wants you gone next.

Yep, glad Jane is gone. Fabio has wanted Jane gone for a long time and he finally got his wish. Not at all surprised he didn't switch his vote to Holly. Jane was way more of a threat not only to win individual immunity, but also to get jury votes.

I'd be happy to see either Fabio or Holly win.

[DevdogAZ]

Originally Posted by heySkippy

Jeff's blog - http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/12/16/je...ua-episode-14/

I sometimes wonder what Probst is thinking when he writes these things. He's talking about the revelation to Jane that she was going, and her escalating reaction, from hurt, to anger, to dousing the fire. He then says:

And with that moment I think Jane solidified her spot as the most “root worthy” person on this season of Survivor.

Really, Jeff. You think that makes her likeable? Sorry. It makes me dislike her even more. And this is coming from someone whose favorite players are Richard Hatch, Brian Heidik, Russell Hantz, Rob Mariano, and Rob Cesternino. So I like a good villain, as long as they're smart strategically. But Jane is not smart. She's just spiteful and petty. And she's a complete hypocrite. She wants everyone else play the game with a team mentality (to take her to the finals because she needs the money), but she's not willing to concede that the best thing for the team might be for her to go home.

[janry]

I thought it interesting that Jeff was the one trying to create an alliance for Jane, Fabio and Dan. And after all that, they still wouldn't drink the water.

[laria]

Originally Posted by heySkippy

Jeff doesn't need to look in the vote bucket. Every contestant shows their vote to the camera before putting it in the bucket. There's no doubt in my mind that Jeff knows who won before the season airs.

I guess... I am assuming that he doesn't see the footage before it airs, since his job is basically done except maybe for some voiceover work.