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Old 12-15-2010, 08:39 PM   #31
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I went to the TiVo site and the terms are pretty clear. Unfortunately, I was wrong...

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1 year commitment to the TIVO service required After which your service plan will continue at $19.99 a month on a month-to-month basis.
If you want a different rate you are going to have to call them and enter into another commitment. Not a big deal, but not automatic.
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Old 12-15-2010, 09:06 PM   #32
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Ok, let's do the math...

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I would trust what's in black and white on the policies page over anything verbal on the phone (or typed in a chat session).
You can buy a Premiere for $299 and pay $12.95 a month or
You can buy a Premiere for $99 and pay $19.95 a month for a year.

If you do that, you end up paying $84 more. Add $99 to that and you have bought a TiVo for $183. There is NO WAY they're going to give you a box for $183 when they used to sell for $299.

Same goes for the 2 year deal. After 2 years, you will have paid $168 for the TiVo instead of $299.

There is no way both deals don't require ongoing month to month commitments at $19.95 a month.

I think the only thing you can do after your 1 or 2 years commitment is up is to buy a lifetime subscription for the box.
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Old 12-15-2010, 09:12 PM   #33
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Pricing..

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I went to the TiVo site and the terms are pretty clear. Unfortunately, I was wrong...



If you want a different rate you are going to have to call them and enter into another commitment. Not a big deal, but not automatic.
Sorry, just saw your previous post before I posted my math.

According to the rep I spoke with, unless the used TiVo Premiere has a receipt dated prior to November 14th OR the TiVo is currently on a $12.95 a month plan with TiVo that they can look up and verify in their system, you're stuck with $19.95 a month forever.

Sad part is, if you fulfill your commitment and then try to sell the TiVo used, they'll see in their system is either is or was on a $19.95 plan and probably won't let you activate it at the cheaper rate.

This whole thing is royally screwing the used TiVo Premiere market. There are a bunch of people in my area selling new in box Premieres they got as presents and didn't want, and have no receipt and couldn't unload them before November 14th. They wanted $199 for them, but now they'll be lucky to get $50.
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Old 12-16-2010, 12:47 AM   #34
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You can buy a Premiere for $299 and pay $12.95 a month or
You can buy a Premiere for $99 and pay $19.95 a month for a year.

If you do that, you end up paying $84 more. Add $99 to that and you have bought a TiVo for $183. There is NO WAY they're going to give you a box for $183 when they used to sell for $299.

Same goes for the 2 year deal. After 2 years, you will have paid $168 for the TiVo instead of $299.

There is no way both deals don't require ongoing month to month commitments at $19.95 a month.

I think the only thing you can do after your 1 or 2 years commitment is up is to buy a lifetime subscription for the box.
I don't understand your math.

Here are the numbers and equations from the policy page I linked to earlier:


|- Commitment cost -| + | TiVo| = |Total cost|
$19.99 x 12 = $239.88 + $ 99.99 = $339.87 (i)
$19.99 x 24 = $479.76 + $ 00.00 = $479.76 (ii)
$12.95 x 12 = $155.40 + $299.99 = $455.39 (iii) or
$399.99 x 1 = $399.99 + $299.99 = $699.98 (iii)

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2.1.1 When purchasing a TiVo Premiere box and subscription at the same time directly from TiVo, you may select one of the following options:
(i) You may purchase a TiVo box and service bundle with
(a) a box fee of $99.99 (includes an instant $200 savings off MSRP) for the TiVo Premiere box or $299.99 (includes an instant $200 savings off MSRP) for the TiVo Premiere XL box and
(b) a monthly service fee of $19.99 a month with a one (1) year commitment (renews monthly after one year); or
(ii) You may purchase a TiVo box and service bundle on a monthly basis with
(a) no upfront cost for the TiVo Premiere box (an instant savings of $299 off MSRP) or a reduced upfront box fee of $199 (an instant savings of $300 off MSRP) for the TiVo Premiere XL box and
(b) a monthly service fee of $19.99 a month with a two (2) year commitment (renews monthly after two years); or
(iii) You may purchase a TiVo box at the full MSRP (no instant savings) and subscribe to the TiVo Service on a monthly basis for $12.95 a month with a one (1) year commitment (renews monthly after 1 year) or you may purchase a Product Lifetime Subscription (defined below) for a onetime fee of $399.
Further math shows that compared with the PLS plan:
(i)
will take ~18 months @$19.99 to match the price of PLS, making PLS a more economical choice after ~30 months of owning the box
or if the "then current" rate is back down to $12.95,
will take ~28 months @$12.95 to match the price of PLS, making PLS a more economical choice after ~40 months of owning the box

(ii)
will take ~11 months @$19.99 to match the price of PLS, making PLS a more economical choice after ~35 months of owning the box
or if the "then current" rate is back down to $12.95,
will take ~17 months @$12.95 to match the price of PLS, making PLS a more economical choice after ~41 months of owning the box

(iii)
will take ~19 months @$12.95 to match the price of PLS, making PLS a more economical choice after ~31 months of owning the box
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:19 AM   #35
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Your math is better

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I don't understand your math.

Here are the numbers and equations from the policy page I linked to earlier:


|- Commitment cost -| + | TiVo| = |Total cost|
$19.99 x 12 = $239.88 + $ 99.99 = $339.87 (i)
$19.99 x 24 = $479.76 + $ 00.00 = $479.76 (ii)
$12.95 x 12 = $155.40 + $299.99 = $455.39 (iii) or
$399.99 x 1 = $399.99 + $299.99 = $699.98 (iii)
Wow, my math was done like this and it probably wrong:

Regular montly rate is $12.95. New monthly rate is $19.99. Difference per month is $7.04. $7.04x12=$84.48. Box costs $99. Therefore after your one year commitment, you have paid:

$12.95x12=$155.40
$7.04x12=$84.48
box price=$99.99

So, if you figure that you're paying an EXTRA $7.04 a month, and you have a one year commitment, the price of the box under the new plan is $99.99+$84.48=$184.47

That means the box is $115.52 cheaper than it is now. There is no way TiVo is going to let you go on a $12.95/month plan when they still have $115.52 to recoup.

Does this math make any sense, or do I need to re-enroll in Kindergarten?
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:39 AM   #36
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I think you guys should forget about the math. People who buy stuff on time don't do it because it is cheaper.

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Wow, my math was done like this and it probably wrong:

Regular montly rate is $12.95. New monthly rate is $19.99. Difference per month is $7.04. $7.04x12=$84.48.
Ok, I'm with ya so far!
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Box costs $99. Therefore after your one year commitment, you have paid:

$12.95x12=$155.40
$7.04x12=$84.48
box price=$99.99

So, if you figure that you're paying an EXTRA $7.04 a month, and you have a one year commitment, the price of the box under the new plan is $99.99+$84.48=$184.47
Shouldn't that be $99.99+$84.48=$184.47+$155.40=$339.87 because you still have to pay the regular commitment cost as well?
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That means the box is $115.52 cheaper than it is now. There is no way TiVo is going to let you go on a $12.95/month plan when they still have $115.52 to recoup.
I think TiVo's expectation is that you will continue to use their Service after the initial commitment has lapsed, and will recoup the $115.52 after only ~9 months at $12.95, or ~6 months at $19.99. 9 additional months of continued use of their Service doesn't seem too unreasonable of an expectation.

If you cancel the Service after the commitment has elapsed, sure TiVo will lose out on the box, but you'll basically have a doorstop/paperweight/brick after that time and effort. TiVo's history (from Earnings Results) shows that TiVo doesn't plan or expect positive revenue from their hardware.
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:56 AM   #38
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...The software has a LOT of issues but the company spends all of its resources on marketing as the "next revolution" and messing around with the price...
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I'm assuming those numbers are in thousands, so are we saying they honestly spent 58 million dollars in research and development this year, and still there has been no progress on the Premiere since launch?
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I'm assuming those numbers are in thousands, so are we saying they honestly spent 58 million dollars in research and development this year, and still there has been no progress on the Premiere since launch?
I updated my post to include that yes, that those number are in thousands.

I wouldn't say there has been "no" progress. At launch, the software was 14.1. 14.7 has been limitedly released. Pandora has been introduced. Fewer lockups have been reported here at TCF. Speed has been improved, but further improvements are definitely needed. Dunno about other improvements, but I'm sure there are some threads here that detail them.

Sign up at the Field Trials site. I'm sure TiVo would love to have your valuable input.
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I think TiVo's expectation is that you will continue to use their Service after the initial commitment has lapsed, and will recoup the $115.52 after only ~9 months at $12.95, or ~6 months at $19.99. 9 additional months of continued use of their Service doesn't seem too unreasonable of an expectation.

If you cancel the Service after the commitment has elapsed, sure TiVo will lose out on the box, but you'll basically have a doorstop/paperweight/brick after that time and effort. TiVo's history (from Earnings Results) shows that TiVo doesn't plan or expect positive revenue from their hardware.
Since they're expecting $12.95 a month, the $115.52 needs to be recouped from the extra $7.04 each month. That's going to take another 17 months.

These boxes do seem to last forever, and TiVo is still supporting the Series 1s with guide data, so they could easily get their money back in the long run.
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Since they're expecting $12.95 a month, the $115.52 needs to be recouped from the extra $7.04 each month. That's going to take another 17 months.
Not exactly. It costs the company very little more to have 1 million subscribers as it does to have 5 million subscribers. Now that the infrastructure is in place, they may as well sell the boxes without regard for the profit on the hardware. Just like cell phones, the money is in the service.

The Premiere I just paid $100 for may have cost them $300 to make (assuming that they sell them at full price without profit, and I doubt that). The $200 they lost is made up in 10 months of service, and I have to think most Tivo users have their service for a LOT longer than 10 months.
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I guarentee that Tivo looses money on Lifetime subscriptions vs. the monthly service fees, but yet it is offered as an option.

What TIVO is banking on is that most consumers will simply not pay attention to the expiration of their committment period and continue to pay the higher price. Since it would take a possitive action by a consumer to call TIVO and ask for a new service contract such as a yearly or lifetime option - I suspect they are correct, and a large number of consumers will continue to pay the higher fee for at least some extended period.

So I disagree with your math... In general, people do not pay close enough attention to this kind of stuff and I think TIVO will make money on the deal in the end.

So, if you really pay attention to your contract - This could end up being a good deal for you.

But my personal opinion is; if you can afford the upfront costs, the lifetime option is almost always a better deal!
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But my personal opinion is; if you can afford the upfront costs, the lifetime option is almost always a better deal!
If you're the kind of person that wants a new TiVo every time it comes out, then you definitely want to pay monthly instead of lifetime.
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If you're the kind of person that wants a new TiVo every time it comes out, then you definitely want to pay monthly instead of lifetime.
Not if your willing to sell your old TiVo with Lifetime as it will bring your cost down more than monthly as all monthly money is down the drain, you can get back most of your Lifetime cost when you sell, look at what Series 3 with Lifetime service are selling for on E-Bay and compare that to Series 3 without any service. I just looked on completed sales of the TiVo-HD: without Lifetime $104 (inc S&H) (E-Bay 330507650590) with Lifetime $380 (E-Bay 160515750473) so you get back $276 on your Lifetime payment vs the $300 you have put out over say two years vs monthly of $10 or a loss of $240.
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Lifetime service at $299 takes about two years to break even (The price can very, you can do your own math).

I am just now retiring my origional Series 2 which I have had for a loooong time (with Lifetime, it still has value so I may either use it or ebay it). I have had the Series 3 since December 2006 and the TIVO HD since early 2008. You see, that is what's nice about the lifetime service, when I retire a box, I never really retire it - I just move it to another room for FREE!

Paying the monthly service fee makes no sense to me at all! Heck, I just checked ebay and a Series 3 with lifetime + upgraded HD is going for ~$400 and only $100 without and it looks like I could sell the Series 2 for ~$100... (I think I will keep it)

The only way lifetime would not work is if you had permature hardware failure. But I have never had an issue that the TIVO warrenty didn't take care of.

No - if you have a desire to keep upgrading, lifetime is a MUCH better deal!
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Quick question:

I currently have 2 Tivo Premieres that I just bought Brand new for about $100 a piece via eBay.

Long story short, since I had older HD boxes current on my account at that moment in time (not anymore though), and the way I opened service with them, Tivo signed me up for $9.95 a month for both Premiere boxes. So Im paying $20.00 for 2 Premieres per month under a year contract, and they assured once the contract is over its just goes Month to Month at that rate.

My question is, is this a deal worth keeping? I'm on FIOS and been trying out the new 7232 500GB Motorola boxes which run $15.00 a month, but would allow me to sell the premieres and get rid of the Cable card fees of $8 a month.

I'm a long time Tivo user, and still like the Premiere... just not sure what to do. Thoughts?
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I currently have 2 Tivo Premieres that I just bought Brand new for about $100 a piece via eBay.

Long story short, since I had older HD boxes current on my account at that moment in time (not anymore though), and the way I opened service with them, Tivo signed me up for $9.95 a month for both Premiere boxes. So Im paying $20.00 for 2 Premieres per month under a year contract, and they assured once the contract is over its just goes Month to Month at that rate.

My question is, is this a deal worth keeping? I'm on FIOS and been trying out the new 7232 500GB Motorola boxes which run $15.00 a month, but would allow me to sell the premieres and get rid of the Cable card fees of $8 a month.

I'm a long time Tivo user, and still like the Premiere... just not sure what to do. Thoughts?
Looks like you got a good deal!

Tivo has always offered a multi-unit discount @ the $10 rate and it looks like the CSR allowed you to simply replace your existing units with the new units. I suspect she made a mistake to your benifit. I would not expect this to be the normal outcome after purchasing a discounted unit.
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SOLVED - I called and they gave me the 12.95 rate. Waiting for my M-Card now from Time Warner. 2.50 + 12.95 for Tivo vs 5.00 + 7.95 TW Crappy Box.
So far the 2.50 extra I'm going to be spending seems like it will be worth it.
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Well I'm no genius, as witnessed by my user name, but I don't get all the fuss about how Tivo makes its money.
I just did my arithmetic from my end and left it at that.
I went with $0 for the Premiere with $19.95/mo with 2 year contract.
My figures:
Cable costs/month-HDTV box $6
DVR fee 10.95 Total $16.95
Tivo costs/month- Tivo subscription $19.95
Cable card 1.99 Total $21.94
The risks I assume: The Tivo box blows up in 2 years.
If I don't like Tivo service(I have 30 days to decide.)
The way I see it I get a free DVR and Tivo service for $4.99/month.
Is it a good deal? I don't know. You tell me.
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Going from TWC to TiVo is definitely an upgrade, I just did it this past weekend. I briefly visited Amazon, and this is that it says in the fine print:



Right now, TiVo is offering a special if you get it through their website, that you get the box free if you sign for two years at $19.99/mo. So it might be worth returning it to Amazon, cuz if you're going to keep it for longer than a year, you're going to paying $19.99/mo for the second year anyway.
YOU FINISH PAYING $480.28 FOR THE TIVO AND $528.00 WITH THE CABLE CARD, IS THAT A DEALLL! NOT THAT IS A RIP OFF, CABLE CO. CHARGE ONLY 12.95 A MONTH INCLUDING THE DVR! SO I THINK TIVO IS TIDE THE ROPE TO MUCH FOR THE LOYAL COSTUMERS, I GET A PREMIERE, AND I NOT GET A MULTI USER DISCOUNT, SO, I RETURNED TO BESTBUY AGAIN, GOOD LUCK FOR THOSE WHO BITE THE BAIT
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Wow-Is this messed up!!!
Nothing like keeping it simple!
Still have no idea which is cheaper-Either choice it still costs more than cable. I am trying to justify paying more. So I am trying out how to save the money!

When you call Tivo sales-they push 2 years @ $19.99. They are commissioned sales and need I say more! They are going to get paid highest where Tivo makes the most money-so figure this program makes them the most.

I would figure $99 for unit and 1 year commitment for $19.99. If they are going to allow changing to$12.95 after two years-why wouldn't they do the same after 1 year? Unless they are NOT going to let you change monthly fees once started.

So figure this:
$99 + (19.99 x 12) $240=$339
Now add another year at $12.99 x 12=$156
Then add $339+$156=$495 total payments over 2 years.
With this you can cancel after 1 year and sell the box for $50 if you do not like or they will not lower monthly payments.

if you take $19.99 x 24=$480 and you have the box with same scenario.

Would you spend $15 more over 2 years with the option of getting out after 1 year if they do not allow you to change to lower price???
What make you think they will lower price in two years vs 1 year. Disclosure wise when you are signing- "The Song Remains The Same" after 1 year vs. 2 years! (class action suit????)

So there fore anyone hoping that they go to lower price do the $99- 1 year plan and you have out!!!

This still sucks though, because there are too many variables!
Somehow if a company gives you too many choices/variables the customers suffer.

Someone give me the simple simplest cheapest solution???
Hopefully it will come from Tivo???
Can Tivo COMMIT to stating you can go to lower price after plan ends?
Ask any rep and they will do a song and dance-did you notice that?

Please?
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Old 12-19-2010, 09:40 AM   #54
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Wow-Is this messed up!!!
Nothing like keeping it simple!
Still have no idea which is cheaper-Either choice it still costs more than cable. I am trying to justify paying more. So I am trying out how to save the money!

When you call Tivo sales-they push 2 years @ $19.99. They are commissioned sales and need I say more! They are going to get paid highest where Tivo makes the most money-so figure this program makes them the most.

I would figure $99 for unit and 1 year commitment for $19.99. If they are going to allow changing to$12.95 after two years-why wouldn't they do the same after 1 year? Unless they are NOT going to let you change monthly fees once started.

So figure this:
$99 + (19.99 x 12) $240=$339
Now add another year at $12.99 x 12=$156
Then add $339+$156=$495 total payments over 2 years.
With this you can cancel after 1 year and sell the box for $50 if you do not like or they will not lower monthly payments.

if you take $19.99 x 24=$480 and you have the box with same scenario.

Would you spend $15 more over 2 years with the option of getting out after 1 year if they do not allow you to change to lower price???
What make you think they will lower price in two years vs 1 year. Disclosure wise when you are signing- "The Song Remains The Same" after 1 year vs. 2 years! (class action suit????)

So there fore anyone hoping that they go to lower price do the $99- 1 year plan and you have out!!!

This still sucks though, because there are too many variables!
Somehow if a company gives you too many choices/variables the customers suffer.

Someone give me the simple simplest cheapest solution???
Hopefully it will come from Tivo???
Can Tivo COMMIT to stating you can go to lower price after plan ends?
Ask any rep and they will do a song and dance-did you notice that?

Please?
What's messed up is your thought process.

If someone came to you and said they wanted to buy the cheapest car possible and at the same time wanted it to be a Cadillac not a Chevy what would you think? Well that is exactly what you are saying.

TiVo is designed and marketed as superior product and a premium upgrade compared to cable company DVRs. If you do not believe it is a premium/superior product you should not be buying it. To expect a superior product should cost less than an inferior one is foolishness.

However if you would like to know how to purchase a TiVo at the over all lowest cost, the answer is fairly simple. Find a friend who owns an TiVo and has upgrade offers. Then have them buy you a TiVo Premiere with lifetime service. It will cost either $470 or $500 depending on what upgrade offers the person has.

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What's messed up is your thought process.

If someone came to you and said they wanted to buy the cheapest car possible and at the same time wanted it to be a Cadillac not a Chevy what would you think? Well that is exactly what you are saying.

TiVo is designed and marketed as superior product and a premium upgrade compared to cable company DVRs. If you do not believe it is a premium/superior product you should not be buying it. To expect a superior product should cost less than an inferior one is foolishness.

However if you would like to know how to purchase a TiVo at the over all lowest cost, the answer is fairly simple. Find a friend who owns an TiVo and has upgrade offers. Then have them buy you a TiVo Premiere with lifetime service. It will cost either $470 or $500 depending on what upgrade offers the person has.

Good Luck,
Interesting-I do have a person that has Tivo with 3 boxes. What is pricing for upgrading? If he upgrades how can I use his box and lifetime subscription in my house? Also, I think he already has lifetime subscription. How does it work as mentioned?
Thanks.

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Interesting-I do have a person that has Tivo with 3 boxes. What is pricing for upgrading? If he upgrades how can I use his box and lifetime subscription in my house? Also, I think he already has lifetime subscription. How does it work as mentioned?
Thanks.
If you friend is willing he can buy a Premiere with lifetime service for whatever his upgrade offer is and then "gift" you the box for what it cost him/her. Lifetime Service stays with the box and TiVo has no issue with people gifting (or selling) their TiVos with lifetime service on them. Once you have it you can transfer it to your own account by calling TiVo pretty straight forward process. The pricing for upgrade offers has been either $470 or $500 for Premiere's with lifetime service.

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Since I am in the market, decided to do a quick spreadsheet comparison of the plans:

Unit: $0
Service: $19.99 / month
Commitment: 24 months
Total cost at 24 months: $479.76
Total cost at 36 months: $720

Unit: $99
Service: $19.99 / month
Commitment: 12 months
Total cost at 24 months: $578.76
Total cost at 36 months: $819

Unit: $299
Service: $12.95 / month
Commitment: 12 months
Total cost at 24 months: $609.80
Total cost at 36 months: $765

For the XL
Unit: $299
Service: $19.99 / month
Commitment: 12 months
Total cost at 24 months: $778.76
Total cost at 36 months: $1,019

Unit: $499
Service: $12.95 / month
Commitment: 12 months
Total cost at 24 months: $809.80
total cost at 36 months: $965

This assumes that the service charges stay the same as when you started service over the entire period of ownership.

At 2 years, the non-XL $0 down and $19.99 / 24 months is the best deal at 2 and 3 year marks. For the XL, the $299 unit at $19.99 for 12, then continuing another 12 months at $19.99 is the best 2 year ownership deal. This is edged out at 36 months with the other $499 unit deal.

The differences are noticeable between the 24 month non-XL deals.... not so much with the XL.

Feel free to rip apart...
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Since I am in the market, decided to do a quick spreadsheet comparison of the plans:

Unit: $0
Service: $19.99 / month
Commitment: 24 months
Total cost at 24 months: $479.76
Total cost at 36 months: $720

Unit: $99
Service: $19.99 / month
Commitment: 12 months
Total cost at 24 months: $578.76
Total cost at 36 months: $819

Unit: $299
Service: $12.95 / month
Commitment: 12 months
Total cost at 24 months: $609.80
Total cost at 36 months: $765

For the XL
Unit: $299
Service: $19.99 / month
Commitment: 12 months
Total cost at 24 months: $778.76
Total cost at 36 months: $1,019

Unit: $499
Service: $12.95 / month
Commitment: 12 months
Total cost at 24 months: $809.80
total cost at 36 months: $965

This assumes that the service charges stay the same as when you started service over the entire period of ownership.

At 2 years, the non-XL $0 down and $19.99 / 24 months is the best deal at 2 and 3 year marks. For the XL, the $299 unit at $19.99 for 12, then continuing another 12 months at $19.99 is the best 2 year ownership deal. This is edged out at 36 months with the other $499 unit deal.

The differences are noticeable between the 24 month non-XL deals.... not so much with the XL.

Feel free to rip apart...
I did the same math, but after the commit I assumed that one would go with the 12.95 plan. In this scenario, the lines crossed in month 29 making the box purchase + lifetime the best deal starting in month 30.
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So....competition-

1o you think with Google TV and some more competition that the $19.95 price will will be coming down?

2:Cablevision will be coming out soon with what Fios has where you can do a lot of taping and watching on multiple TV's. If this happens don't you think TiVo will have to lower monthly prices?
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