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10-21-2010, 07:14 PM
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GoogleTV being F****ed by the Networks
I find this amusing:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/21/t...web-based-con/
Maybe it explains why more content isn't available through TiVo appears the Networks only want you to watch their shows over the Internet if you do it on a computer, unless of course you are paying extra.
Makes me appreciate good old OTA with a TiVo DVR.
Thanks,
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10-21-2010, 09:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by atmuscarella
I find this amusing:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/21/t...web-based-con/
Maybe it explains why more content isn't available through TiVo appears the Networks only want you to watch their shows over the Internet if you do it on a computer, unless of course you are paying extra.
Makes me appreciate good old OTA with a TiVo DVR.
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So I can watch for free at my PC but not in front of my TV? Why do we allow TV networks to have so much control. I think we should all download a torrent tonight to teach them a lesson!
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10-21-2010, 09:28 PM
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Free on the computer but not on a Google enabled device? I'll just keep watching with my laptop hooked to my HDTV until they work it all out. It sure seems like nobody wants to play nice together.
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10-21-2010, 11:53 PM
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It's free on PC because all you get is a tiny little window or some horrible low-res thing that looks awful when blown up on the HDTV. The networks don't want to undermine their lucrative distribution on various medium (cable/satellite/etc) and ad revenue. Plus they don't want to anger their partners as well by offering for free what the cable/etc companies are forcing people to pay $50+ a month for.
It's why Hulu only works on PC, but if you pay, you can get Hulu Plus on your TV in higher quality. And everyone should know it already when Hulu kept blocking various means of easily watching Hulu on a TV.
In the end, it boils down to "you're not getting TV for free without sticking an ugly antenna on the roof".
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10-22-2010, 02:12 AM
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This begs for creating a simple proxy that changes the user-agent string so that it makes it look like the request is coming from plain ordinary internet explorer browser and not a google tv box...
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10-22-2010, 02:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Worf
It's free on PC because all you get is a tiny little window or some horrible low-res thing that looks awful when blown up on the HDTV.
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You haven't really checked the networks' websites recently, have you?
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10-22-2010, 04:13 AM
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So the HTPC (or even the laptop with an HDMI port) becomes the new analog hole?
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10-22-2010, 06:11 AM
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Apparently so. Quite stupid on their part, since they already have commercials inserted when you play shows. It shouldn't matter how anyone accesses the content.
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10-22-2010, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit
Apparently so. Quite stupid on their part, since they already have commercials inserted when you play shows. It shouldn't matter how anyone accesses the content.
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YEah except networks get per-subscriber fees from cable and satellite companies.
And programming on internet doesn't have half the commercials programming on cable/satellite/antenna have unless that has changed.
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10-22-2010, 07:56 AM
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Thats why I didn't understand the point of GoogleTV. Surely they knew they would get blocked by the networks?!
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10-22-2010, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Gene S
Thats why I didn't understand the point of GoogleTV. Surely they knew they would get blocked by the networks?!
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If it's running on Android, won't there be ways around it?
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10-22-2010, 09:01 AM
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it looks like google is in negotiations w/ 3 networks now.
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10-22-2010, 09:41 AM
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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69K5QS20101022
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Google in talks to unblock access to TV websites
Thu, Oct 21 2010
By Alexei Oreskovic
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Google Inc is actively negotiating with three television networks that have blocked access to their websites on Google TV, a source familiar with the matter said...
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10-22-2010, 09:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aadam101
If it's running on Android, won't there be ways around it?
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You would think...
(cross posted from other thread....)
http://phandroid.com/2010/10/21/goog...possibilities/
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Google TV Root: First Signs & Possibilities
One member of AndroidForums Apeman has gained access to Recovery Mode on Sony Internet TV and has recorded video on how to do it:
Could this be the first hint at how to gain root access on Google TV? Hopefully all the modders, rooters, hackers and Software Engineers in the Android Community will head over to our Google TV forum and start comparing notes...
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10-22-2010, 09:58 AM
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why is this a surprise to anyone?
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10-22-2010, 11:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trip1eX
YEah except networks get per-subscriber fees from cable and satellite companies.
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And the point is? They don't block the content no matter which payTV provider you have. If you can watch it on a laptop with HDMI (readily available and easy to hookup to your HDTV), why does it matter if it's GoogleTV instead? You're using the internet to access their content either way.
From the article:
Google said in a statement that its new Google TV service "enables access to all the Web content you already get today on your phone and PC, but it is ultimately the content owner's choice to restrict users from accessing their content on the platform."
Exactly, and this is why I don't get it.
Last edited by slowbiscuit : 10-22-2010 at 02:09 PM.
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10-22-2010, 08:47 PM
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it's no surprise to me- the network tv websites blocked android phones as soon as flash for android came along.
there are patches around to change the user agent to get it to work on an android phone if it's rooted.
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10-22-2010, 09:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigpatky
it looks like google is in negotiations w/ 3 networks now.
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What do you want to bet that "unlocking" access to the 3 major networks will require a monthly fee not dissimilar to that of Hulu+ ?
It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that the networks did this. Obviously they want to protect not only their affiliates but also their advertising revenue. PC-Streaming users likely use cable or OTA on their TV sets. GoogleTV-Streaming users would be tempted to cut the cord. The networks won't let that happen unless they can either charge a fee or come up with a better structure for embedding commercials.
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10-22-2010, 10:47 PM
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Rebus Philbin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelK
it's no surprise to me- the network tv websites blocked android phones as soon as flash for android came along.
there are patches around to change the user agent to get it to work on an android phone if it's rooted.
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Don't even need to be rooted. Enter about :debug into the browser, then look at the settings and you'll see the UA settings.
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10-22-2010, 11:40 PM
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The networks will agree if Google pays something for it.
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10-22-2010, 11:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Worf
It's free on PC because all you get is a tiny little window or some horrible low-res thing that looks awful when blown up on the HDTV. The networks don't want to undermine their lucrative distribution on various medium (cable/satellite/etc) and ad revenue. Plus they don't want to anger their partners as well by offering for free what the cable/etc companies are forcing people to pay $50+ a month for.
It's why Hulu only works on PC, but if you pay, you can get Hulu Plus on your TV in higher quality. And everyone should know it already when Hulu kept blocking various means of easily watching Hulu on a TV.
In the end, it boils down to "you're not getting TV for free without sticking an ugly antenna on the roof".
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10-23-2010, 10:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeoTiVo
why is this a surprise to anyone?
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This.
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10-25-2010, 07:54 AM
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And now for more amusement: The first device running GoogleTV (the logitech Revue) is basically the same hardware as a netbook from 2008 without the screen:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/25/l...ecs-found-wit/
Content blocked - old low end hardware - limited functionality - fairly high price
Sure makes a normal everyday HTPC look more interesting.
Thanks,
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10-25-2010, 08:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by atmuscarella
And now for more amusement: The first device running GoogleTV (the logitech Revue) is basically the same hardware as a netbook from 2008 without the screen:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/25/l...ecs-found-wit/
Content blocked - old low end hardware - limited functionality - fairly high price
Sure makes a normal everyday HTPC look more interesting.
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If they could detect what type of display you are using they'd be blocking those too.  When flash and silverlight start monitoring for an HDMI port to give you "better quality" you can bet those will be turned off when using the network sites.
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10-25-2010, 08:49 AM
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It's OK - my HDTV has a 9-pin PC connector as well. For streaming video it's better than what's required.
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10-25-2010, 08:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pdhenry
It's OK - my HDTV has a 9-pin PC connector as well. For streaming video it's better than what's required.
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I think you mean 15 pin, but i get your point. 
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10-25-2010, 10:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by atmuscarella
And now for more amusement: The first device running GoogleTV (the logitech Revue) is basically the same hardware as a netbook from 2008 without the screen:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/25/l...ecs-found-wit/
Content blocked - old low end hardware - limited functionality - fairly high price
Sure makes a normal everyday HTPC look more interesting.
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Not really. I'd rather have one box I can buy and have it do the job. I'm not interested in putting a PC in my entertainment center. (Wouldn't fit, anyway.)
I guess the low end netbook can also run apps designed for the TV and do integrated searches of TV and web, HDMI overlay, and incorporate my phone and Harmony remote?
I haven't bought GTV yet, but I certainly have no desire to kludge together my own either.
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10-25-2010, 10:17 AM
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I think you mean 15 pin, but i get your point. |
...but who's counting? Should have said D-Sub and let it go at that.
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10-25-2010, 11:11 AM
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Quote:
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Not really. I'd rather have one box I can buy and have it do the job. I'm not interested in putting a PC in my entertainment center. (Wouldn't fit, anyway.)
I guess the low end netbook can also run apps designed for the TV and do integrated searches of TV and web, HDMI overlay, and incorporate my phone and Harmony remote?
I haven't bought GTV yet, but I certainly have no desire to kludge together my own either.
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I guess it all depends on what you want to do with it.
I don't have a web/smart phone, already have a harmony remote and don't use it anymore, and could care less about integrated searches or HDMI overlay.
I don't subscribe to premium or sports channels so what special apps does GoogleTV have that any Internet connect computer doesn't?
Frankly without free Network and Hulu content about the only thing I would do with it is check my email and this forum.
The one reason I would want to connect a computer to my TV is to watch the few (very few) cable shows I still watch (mostly SyFy) and then dump my sat sub. I have just been to lazy to get something setup or as you said kludge together. If the Logitech Revue foot the bill I would be interested if not I will wait until I update something and have a spare laptop/PC around.
Hulu Plus at $10 might also work so something that has that might work and also allow my to dump my sat sub.
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