14.6 or 14.7 when?

curiousgeorge · 09-16-2010, 04:49 AM

It's been 2 months since 14.5K initial rollout and no new update. Has there been any information released on when 14.6 or 14.7 (if 14.6 is some kind of slide remote specific update already out) will be out? There's still so much wrong with the HDUI, and these updates are coming out at a galacial pace, with almost no additional work to the menus and little improvement to the HD UI performance. Two months is way too long to wait for more fixes.

alokkola · 09-16-2010, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ferrumpneuma

It's coming. When it gets here it is going to be sweet.

Do you know if 14.7 is coming or are you speculating?

ghuido · 09-16-2010, 09:26 AM

they said it would almost a rolling monthly update. Now I am wondering when V15.0 would come out as well.

wp746911 · 09-16-2010, 09:35 AM

lol I was wondering when someone was going to post this...I'm ready for a v15 update. none of this 14.5-->14.6 mess, lets go straight to 15!

wp746911 · 09-16-2010, 09:39 AM

oh wait isn't 14.6 already out (for the new remote?)

ghuido · 09-16-2010, 09:52 AM

I think 14.6 came out for hte remote and an attempt to fix the Out of Memory Error

andyf · 09-16-2010, 11:18 AM

no 14.6 here and I'm using two Slide Remotes on two Premiers.

curiousgeorge · 09-16-2010, 03:41 PM

Yeah, that's why I posted. I seems like they pushed 14.6 to a smattering of people, but it wasn't really a general release, so I'm thinking they'll jump to 14.7, but it's been TWO MONTHS now and not even a controlled rollout has started. It's really getting depressing considering that they were going to get problems addressed in a timely fashion when this mess started, and we're 5, heading into 6 MONTHS into the process with almost NO PROGRESS. HD UI is still largely unfinished and very unstable for a 24/7 device, relegating many to SDUI if they want to USE it.

andyf · 09-16-2010, 03:50 PM

Actually I've had no problems using the HDUI. No hangs or freezes.
I do come home from work occasionally and one of my units is at the back end of the live buffer but no biggie, easy to skip back to live.

DaveWhittle · 09-16-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by curiousgeorge

HD UI is still largely unfinished and very unstable for a 24/7 device, relegating many to SDUI if they want to USE it.

Unfinished? Yes.

Unstable? Maybe for some people, but I and others haven't had a lock-up and/or reboots with 14.5 using the HD-UI.

I feel for those having problems and encourage TiVo to address stability for them, but I don't think whatever is happening is universal.

wp746911 · 09-16-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by curiousgeorge

Yeah, that's why I posted. I seems like they pushed 14.6 to a smattering of people, but it wasn't really a general release, so I'm thinking they'll jump to 14.7, but it's been TWO MONTHS now and not even a controlled rollout has started. It's really getting depressing considering that they were going to get problems addressed in a timely fashion when this mess started, and we're 5, heading into 6 MONTHS into the process with almost NO PROGRESS. HD UI is still largely unfinished and very unstable for a 24/7 device, relegating many to SDUI if they want to USE it.

I agree it's getting depressing- I keep on telling myself they will fully update the UI and maybe even update amazon/netflix etc...but they don't. My box still performs well, it just pains me to see tivo having produced a pretty good piece of hardware (it is) which has sooo much potential, but then tivo just not delivering... I mean, the HD ui is nice, they just need to spread it to all the menus- tivo led the field in netflix integration, but haven't updatet that in ages, etc. Tivo was pretty quick with the first update or so and gave me some optimism...I only hope now that tivo has been so quiet b/c they have a huge massive update pending...

curiousgeorge · 09-16-2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveWhittle

Unfinished? Yes.

Unstable? Maybe for some people, but I and others haven't had a lock-up and/or reboots with 14.5 using the HD-UI.

I feel for those having problems and encourage TiVo to address stability for them, but I don't think whatever is happening is universal.

Maybe not universal, but FAR too widespread. It's easily the worst TiVo FUBAR in my entire dozen+ unit history with TiVo, going back to day 1, Series 1. All three of my Premieres perform similarly bad in HD UI, so it's not just a defective box.

Premieres falling from $299 to $136 (latest price last week at EE) in 5 months is telling of how much inventory they must have. I can only assume the poor word of mouth and reviews are weighing heavily on sales. It's not an isolated drop, either. Lots of places are having "special" sales to try to move the units in a sea of bad press and word of mouth, and these slow, unsatisfying updates for the early adopters suffering through this crappy software are not helping.

crxssi · 09-16-2010, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by curiousgeorge

It's been 2 months since 14.5K initial rollout and no new update. Has there been any information released on when 14.6 or 14.7 (if 14.6 is some kind of slide remote specific update already out)

There is no special 14.6 required for the slide remote. I have the slide remote and it works fine with 14.5-01-3-746. I didn't have to update nor did it update or was there any mention of a required or available update. I have been using the slide from day 1 of this unit (08-30-2010). Last service connection was this morning at 4:43am...

Unrelated, but I should also mention I have never had a crash, reboot, error (of any type), or freeze using the HDUI or SDUI... although I did switch to the SDUI after several days of the HDUI. (Knocking on wood right now...)

caddyroger · 09-16-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveWhittle

Unfinished? Yes.

Unstable? Maybe for some people, but I and others haven't had a lock-up and/or reboots with 14.5 using the HD-UI.

I feel for those having problems and encourage TiVo to address stability for them, but I don't think whatever is happening is universal.

Since the 14.5 update the HDUI is faster but still not where it should be. It never froze and rebooted until last Saturday during a football game. I got a feeling it is universal and needs to be fixed. They are a lot posts in other threads where people have reported their premiere has froze and rebooted with 14.5

curiousgeorge · 09-17-2010, 03:53 PM

Somone in another thread said TiVo support said the next update is FOUR WEEKS away. That will be OVER three months since the last one. The speed of these bug-fix and interface completion fixes is unacceptably slow. What is going ON at TiVo?

steve614 · 09-17-2010, 03:57 PM

From what I understand, the Premiere is stable for most people, so now they are (hopefully) taking their time to finish everything instead of small update here / small update there.

Which way would you prefer?

caddyroger · 09-17-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by steve614

From what I understand, the Premiere is stable for most people, so now they are (hopefully) taking their time to finish everything instead of small update here / small update there.

Which way would you prefer?

Get the HDUI up to speed and the rebooting issues done before any thing else. If the unit keeps rebooting in the HDUI then their no need to have a premiere. Their still to many people that having problems just to say the hell with your problems. If it takes now to next April to fix the rebooting keep up the small updates.

Dan203 · 09-17-2010, 07:34 PM

I plan to continue using the old UI until they get the new one completely finished. If it has to drop back to the old UI for anything, even the system information screen, I'm going back to the old UI. They never should have released it in this half finished state to begin with. The current HDUI is an Alpha release at best.

The only problem I have with the old UI is that they don't let you use TiVo Search. I like to use that to look up specific episode names of shows that I might have missed. Now I have to switch to one of my other TiVos to do that.

Dan

curiousgeorge · 09-17-2010, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by steve614

From what I understand, the Premiere is stable for most people, so now they are (hopefully) taking their time to finish everything instead of small update here / small update there.

Which way would you prefer?

I feel that you will be terribly wrong/bitterly disappointed by the next update, then.

Premiere in HD UI mode is not stable ENOUGH - any reboots and freezes are unacceptable, and it has too many in 14.5 to use. It's also too SLOW now - BEFORE they even add back all the missing features from SDUI and expand the new ones. Speed and stability need to be properly addressed - and still haven't been.

TrueTurbo · 09-18-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by curiousgeorge

Premiere in HD UI mode is not stable ENOUGH

Speak for yourself! It's perfectly stable for me.

By the way, where's all this bad press you keep blathering on about? Do you go trawling through the internet explicitly searching for TiVo bad news? Granted, this site is full of it, but this site in no way represents the general press TiVo gets in the real world.

deandashl · 09-18-2010, 12:37 AM

I think he probably reads the reviews from professional reviewers like HomeTheaterMag.com, Endgaget, etc.

But, yes, there are plenty of places to read bad things about the Premiere. Some would say it's because there are bad things about it. Others would say, well, whatever you'd like to say at this point....

When "defenders" admit "not all problems are universal" well, that says it all. It's the best they can do.

Maybe TiVo should make "Bud, the part-time Flash programmer" full-time so he can get something done. Maybe TiVo should even hire a SECOND Flash programmer so the DVR HDUI that is going to save the company could be more than PARTLY done after 5 months of the DVR being out on the market.

Embarrassing. And, of course, reinforces the "TiVo is dying" crowd.

But, hey, the Slide Remote is fantastic!!! Unfortunately, the Slide Remote does not SELL TiVo's.

It's easy to defend poor performance of companies until they go out-of-business and then start defending the next poorly run company. But, I, like other real TiVo fans would like TiVo to get it's act together so it actually IS successful. Continually defending bad performance is not going to SOLVE the problem, it just makes "defenders" feel good about themselves.

curiousgeorge · 09-18-2010, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TrueTurbo

Speak for yourself! It's perfectly stable for me.

By the way, where's all this bad press you keep blathering on about? Do you go trawling through the internet explicitly searching for TiVo bad news? Granted, this site is full of it, but this site in no way represents the general press TiVo gets in the real world.

Literally every in-depth TiVo review from a major website or publication at Premiere release was lukewarm to negative. And most were done with the promise from TiVo that the glitches and freezes they experienced would be fixed shortly after launch, which was and is a lie. If they knew THAT, I believe a fair number of those lukewarm reviews would have been negative.

You're apparently lucky. The HD UI is unstable for far too many. I have three and they are all too unstable to run in HD UI for 14.5. I can't believe that I received three bad ones, since they were all shipped at different times. They work fine in the SD UI.

I have been TiVo's biggest defender - until now. I'm still a customer (from the first day of Series 1), I want to believe again, but 5 months with precious little progress toward a stable, acceptably fast HD UI (let alone a finished one with all menus and features) really has me doubting for the very first time.

TrueTurbo · 09-18-2010, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by curiousgeorge

Literally every in-depth TiVo review from a major website or publication at Premiere release was lukewarm to negative. And most were done with the promise from TiVo that the glitches and freezes they experienced would be fixed shortly after launch, which was and is a lie. If they knew THAT, I believe a fair number of those lukewarm reviews would have been negative.

You're apparently lucky. The HD UI is unstable for far too many. I have three and they are all too unstable to run in HD UI for 14.5. I can't believe that I received three bad ones, since they were all shipped at different times. They work fine in the SD UI.

I have been TiVo's biggest defender - until now. I'm still a customer (from the first day of Series 1), I want to believe again, but 5 months with precious little progress toward a stable, acceptably fast HD UI (let alone a finished one with all menus and features) really has me doubting for the very first time.

I really hope one day that we find out why the Premiere is unstable for some and stable for others. The 14.5 release made a noticeable difference to my Premiere XL. It wasn't unstable or particularly slow before the update, but afterward, the HD UI was positively pleasant to work with! I experience no delays longer than 2 secs (which are rare) and pretty much every action executes sub-second.

I also have a TiVo HD and my Premiere XL in HD UI mode responds about the same as my TiVo HD does. The Premiere in SD mode absolutely screams! Adding the Slide Remote has noticeably increased the speed of the HD UI.

I'm perfectly happy with the speed and stability of my Premiere XL in HD UI mode. For me, the icing on the cake will be when they finish the HD interface completely.

tenthplanet · 09-18-2010, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TrueTurbo

I really hope one day that we find out why the Premiere is unstable for some and stable for others. The 14.5 release made a noticeable difference to my Premiere XL. It wasn't unstable or particularly slow before the update, but afterward, the HD UI was positively pleasant to work with! I experience no delays longer than 2 secs (which are rare) and pretty much every action executes sub-second.

I also have a TiVo HD and my Premiere XL in HD UI mode responds about the same as my TiVo HD does. The Premiere in SD mode absolutely screams! Adding the Slide Remote has noticeably increased the speed of the HD UI.

I'm perfectly happy with the speed and stability of my Premiere XL in HD UI mode. For me, the icing on the cake will be when they finish the HD interface completely.

I'm in the same situation, I got a new Premiere a couple of weeks ago and when I first hooked it up it installed a new update (must have been 14.5) after that no problems with it. I already had a TiVo HD and my experiences are similar to True Turbo's. I'm very happy with both units.

angel35 · 09-18-2010, 09:27 AM

My 14.5 works like it should. No problems

caddyroger · 09-18-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by angel35

My 14.5 works like it should. No problems

Well I missed my football game this mourning because of the premiere distortion. I guess I better start using the s3 for important recording that is not rebroadcast.
Last week I missed about 10 min of a football game because of freezing and rebooting

wp746911 · 09-21-2010, 03:08 PM

maybe we could ask them on their blog when any update is coming? this is killing me. I hope they havent spent the past 2 months on just the pandora app...

crxssi · 09-21-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wp746911

maybe we could ask them on their blog when any update is coming? this is killing me. I hope they havent spent the past 2 months on just the pandora app...

Yeah. I was thinking the same thing. "Pandora, oh, neat.... but I would much rather they speed up XXX, fix YYY, and upgrade ZZZ FIRST". Of course, it could be different teams working on each.... who knows.

innocentfreak · 09-21-2010, 05:56 PM

Margaret tweeted yesterday I believe that some people were starting to see 14.6 so it sounded like it was doing the initial test roll-out.

curiousgeorge · 10-06-2010, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by innocentfreak

Margaret tweeted yesterday I believe that some people were starting to see 14.6 so it sounded like it was doing the initial test roll-out.

Has *anyone* here seen this in the wild? I mean, I know 14.6 is a minor bugfix and we're really waiting for 14.7 for possible relief from the unfinished/buggy HD UI, but no 14.6 in general release more than 3 months after 14.5 is severely depressing when the HD UI is still in such a crappy, unfinished state.

But we have Pandora. Oh, and Hulu+ is coming shortly. Yay.