"Chuck" season three discussion (ongoing as I watch)

[mrdazzo7]

I want to discuss season three of Chuck as I watch it (as opposed to waiting until the end like I did with one and two) and since I still can't go to IMDB I figured I'd start a thread here. It's a little tricky because I'll be discussing as I go, so if participating please try to make sure the discussion doesn't go beyond the latest episode I've seen (I'll be sure to mention where I'm at as I post).

For those who haven't gotten to season three at all yet, please refrain from this thread... goes without saying but I'm saying it anyway to avoid angry board'ers.











So far I've gotten through Episode 4 - "Chuck vs. Operation Awesome" where The Ring tries to recruit Devon. I think they're handling the Devon aspect well so far. First he gets involved in a mission because he happened to be the on-call doctor for an important political figure, then that leads to his being mistaken for a CIA agent and recruited by The Ring. It's funny because he's Awesome at everything but is completely unnerved at the idea of by spy. Hopefully they continue to explore the dynamic of him knowing.

*The dynamic shift is a little hard to get used to - I kind of miss the early days (about two months ago for me) where Chuck fully depended on Sarah and Casey and only wanted to the intersect out of his head. The decision at the end of S2 to willfully download the new one into his brain (hours after finally getting rid of the first one) was the logical evolution for the character, but it killed a bit of the charm/humor. It shifted a lot of the focus on to the Chuck/Sarah thing which so far is bordering on "soap opera" status. It was always in the consciousness of the show but now that Chuck is more of an equal and they're both out about their feelings, it's a little too much drama.

*Brandon Routh premiered in this episode; I'm surprised he sticks around so long (according to IMDB). I thought he'd be a new love interest for Sarah but the episode ended with him putting on his wedding ring, so maybe not. Hopefully not, actually... no mi gusta love triangles.

*Maybe it's because I've watched so many episodes in the last two months but I'm growing a bit weary of the Jeff and Lester antics. I wonder how much longevity the two of them can possibly have on the show. I wasn't surprised that Anna didn't come back since she had almost no business being a regular last season, but I'm still surprised Beckman is a guest star every week. Unless she's not sticking around....hmmm...

*One fun aspect of this show is to speculate as to how incredibly fast their team would be shut down if it were reality. Handlers and Assets openly in love with each other, team members constantly disobeying orders and risking national security to save each other and random friends and family members. I guess they do get the job done though, lol...

[betts4]

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...light=Chuck+vs

[Hunter Green]

Originally Posted by mrdazzo7

*Maybe it's because I've watched so many episodes in the last two months but I'm growing a bit weary of the Jeff and Lester antics.

Despite the speed with which you're watching, your comments (not just about this) echo the same things we were thinking at the same time, so it's not just the speed. I for one am heartily sick of Jeffster. But apart from them, most of your concerns are not to worry about -- they will make all these changes work and fairly soon too.

[DevdogAZ]

Originally Posted by mrdazzo7

*Brandon Routh premiered in this episode; I'm surprised he sticks around so long (according to IMDB). I thought he'd be a new love interest for Sarah but the episode ended with him putting on his wedding ring, so maybe not. Hopefully not, actually... no mi gusta love triangles.

I'll be interested to see what you think about this as you move forward in S3. There was a bit of a mini-fan revolt at one point during this season.

[mrdazzo7]

Originally Posted by betts4

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...light=Chuck+vs

I know, I thought about doing it that way but then I figured it would be easier than resurrected 19 other ones. Plus this is specific to me watching it--everyone has already had big discussions on each ep, etc. This way it's containted.

Originally Posted by Hunter Green

Despite the speed with which you're watching, your comments (not just about this) echo the same things we were thinking at the same time, so it's not just the speed. I for one am heartily sick of Jeffster. But apart from them, most of your concerns are not to worry about -- they will make all these changes work and fairly soon too.

Cool. It must have been tiresome to watch those two over three years--they're comic relief but it wears thin after a while, and there is no real evolution to the characters... I'd have to imagine that if the show goes through another "game changer", that they would get phased out. I do find Lester funny sometimes, but almost never Jeff. Got old fast.

Originally Posted by DevdogAZ

I'll be interested to see what you think about this as you move forward in S3. There was a bit of a mini-fan revolt at one point during this season.

Awesome... now I'm really curious.

[mrdazzo7]

Season three is getting really good. I've gone through 9 episodes already... Just finished "Chuck vs. The Beard"... great episode. I really thought the writers would find a way to make it so that Morgan wouldn't know the truth but as the episode went on they just went further and further with it.. I figured if that would happen it would have come at the end of the season.

One device the show continues to use too much is that nearly every week someone from The Ring figures out a key piece of information yet the team stops them before they "relay the information to their superiors". This is the same thing I complained about with Fulcrum. How stupid are these allegedly bad ass operations? I know, I know, it's just a show. That's really the only weak point I've seen in the writing, and I get that it's necessary to keep the show going.

Looking forward to seeing what happens now that Morgan knows the truth. Due to Devdog's comment about a fan revolt I thought for a second that it would be revealed that Morgan was recruited by the ring and that the whole thing was a set up to get Chuck to reveal everything he knows... I kind of dispelled that thought quickly though because there were too many scenes of him looking absolutely shocked by everything that was going on. Still, it wouldn't be the first time a show went for a "shock" twist with no previous set up... (see: 24).

I'm curious to see where everything goes. I'd imagine that there will have to come a point soon where the show has to change in a big way--the bad guys are way too close to the truth, and Chuck can only keep his secret safe for so long (his stories all have a million holes in them). Plus Ellie will figure it out eventually seeing how her husband is obviously hiding something.

If it stays this good I'll probably be done with the remaining 10 episodes by the end of this coming weekend. I really didn't expect to move through it so fast.

[mrdazzo7]

Just finished Episode 14: "Chuck vs. The Honeymooners". Not sure if others felt the same way watching over time but I have to say, there really hasn't been any loss of quality as the season goes on, and there are only five episodes left. I don't feel like there were weeks where nothing happened--everything moves a long good. I don't think it's as great as the early days but no show is--I think they did a good job at keeping it consistently good and evolving (most) of the characters.

The one thing I didn't expect was Morgan finding out Chuck's secret and then even further, him becoming part of the team. It's a good evolution for the character and the show, but probably by far the most unrealistic/"non-sensical" storyline the show has done so far--the government seemed to let him in *way* too fast. Oh well.

Originally Posted by DevdogAZ

I'll be interested to see what you think about this as you move forward in S3. There was a bit of a mini-fan revolt at one point during this season.

I'm gonna need a hint on this now... I haven't seen anything that I would say was 'revolt worthy' so I'm curious to see what it was that pissed fans off when it happened. Did it happen by/in episode 14? I can't even go to a Chuck message board to find out... If I haven't seen it then that's fine, just say that, but if it's happened already, what was it?

[LoadStar]

Originally Posted by mrdazzo7

I'm gonna need a hint on this now... I haven't seen anything that I would say was 'revolt worthy' so I'm curious to see what it was that pissed fans off when it happened. Did it happen by/in episode 14? I can't even go to a Chuck message board to find out... If I haven't seen it then that's fine, just say that, but if it's happened already, what was it?

Yeah, you're past it... there were a LOT of people quite angry at the way the show was writing the Sarah/Chuck relationship, particularly with how cold she was being to him for a while. They were also angry that the show was appearing to hook her up with Shaw, and Chuck with Hannah.

[daveak]

Originally Posted by LoadStar

Yeah, you're past it... there were a LOT of people quite angry at the way the show was writing the Sarah/Chuck relationship, particularly with how cold she was being to him for a while. They were also angry that the show was appearing to hook her up with Shaw, and Chuck with Hannah.

This, though I was not to upset with the Hannah thing after all Sarah had put Chuck through. Of course, I do think Sarah and Chuck need that romantic friction for the benefit of the show and... well I better stop here for now.

Spoiler:

Now that they are together again - it will be interesting to see how that works. And the way Hannah seemed to be suddenly out of the show, not so great.

[mrdazzo7]

Ah, gotchya. I didn't think it was that crazy--I thought it made sense actually. Any show with two leads who are in a "we work together so we can't be together" situation has to draw it out... Maybe it didn't seem like so much time to me... The last episode I watched was their first episode as a couple, so it should be interesting to see what happens next.

Does the season end on a cliffhanger? I don't want to know ANYTHING about it, just if it does or not. I only ask because I am a huge believer in the season finale cliffhanger and get upset when there isn't one where I expect there to be, so I'd rather know now if there's not.

Also, just read that the lady playing Beckman was finally promoted to a series regular. I don't know what was up with her contract negotiations but how she was a guest star on almost every episode for three seasons was crazy to me.

[LoadStar]

Originally Posted by mrdazzo7

Ah, gotchya. I didn't think it was that crazy--I thought it made sense actually. Any show with two leads who are in a "we work together so we can't be together" situation has to draw it out... Maybe it didn't seem like so much time to me... The last episode I watched was their first episode as a couple, so it should be interesting to see what happens next.

It plays out quite a bit differently when you're watching the episodes as they air, and the show seems to string out this "will they get together or won't they?" question over months or even years. After a few months, the back and forth makes you want to strangle the show producers/writers/etc.

Does the season end on a cliffhanger? I don't want to know ANYTHING about it, just if it does or not. I only ask because I am a huge believer in the season finale cliffhanger and get upset when there isn't one where I expect there to be, so I'd rather know now if there's not.

Cliffhanger? No. It does introduce a few of the plot elements from next season though, so it is a bit open ended from that perspective.

Also, just read that the lady playing Beckman was finally promoted to a series regular. I don't know what was up with her contract negotiations but how she was a guest star on almost every episode for three seasons was crazy to me.

A lot of it has to do with the amount that she's on the show. She might be on it on virtually every week, but only for a few minutes at most. I'd bet she's only been on the main sets a very small number of times. Most of her stuff is probably filmed by a second unit separately from the main show. She may not even act against any of the main cast when she does her video conference stuff. They may have her reading against a producer or something.

[wprager]

Originally Posted by LoadStar

Yeah, you're past it... there were a LOT of people quite angry at the way the show was writing the Sarah/Chuck relationship, particularly with how cold she was being to him for a while. They were also angry that the show was appearing to hook her up with Shaw, and Chuck with Hannah.

Wasn't part of the problem the Olympic break? It made it look like they were stringing us along longer because of the hiatus.

[doom1701]

Originally Posted by mrdazzo7

One device the show continues to use too much is that nearly every week someone from The Ring figures out a key piece of information yet the team stops them before they "relay the information to their superiors". This is the same thing I complained about with Fulcrum. How stupid are these allegedly bad ass operations? I know, I know, it's just a show. That's really the only weak point I've seen in the writing, and I get that it's necessary to keep the show going.

And that really nailed the problem I had with the season (and one of the big problems I had with the series). In "vs. the Beard", the Ring is at the Buymore, thinking that it's a central place for the Intersect crew. And they are all taken out. Yet we're told that everyone is safe because they stopped the Ring from contacting their superiors.

Um, didn't *anybody* know where this team of highly trained Ring agents was going? Nobody at Ring HQ is going to say "We sent a team to the Buy More, and they never reported back after that...must be a fluke."

Really, I don't like the Ring/Fulcrum thing at all--the show tries to get laughs from characters and somewhat real world interactions...but the bad guys are right out of Get Smart. I fully expected someone to start talking in a bad German accent at some point.

Season 3 was really hit or miss for me. Angel of Death and First Class were some of the best episodes of the series. They way they brought Morgan into the team was brilliant, and played out exactly how it should have. But the Ellie stuff was too far over the top, "The Ring" was a joke, some of the better plot points were totally left hanging, and Jeffster didn't die.

[mrdazzo7]

Originally Posted by LoadStar

It plays out quite a bit differently when you're watching the episodes as they air, and the show seems to string out this "will they get together or won't they?" question over months or even years. After a few months, the back and forth makes you want to strangle the show producers/writers/etc..

I can absolutely understand that. Part of the reason I never checked out the show in the first place was because I thought it would be too heavily slanted towards the relationship aspect... I think if I had watched it over time I would have liked it, but not nearly as much as I like it having watched it so quickly. No breaks, nothing seems drawn out, etc. It almost makes me nervous for when season four starts. Might have to save a few episodes at a time.

A lot of it has to do with the amount that she's on the show. She might be on it on virtually every week, but only for a few minutes at most.

True, but even Anna was a regular for all of season two, and she was in MAYBE half the episodes, and aside from I think two of those episodes, she didn't have more than one or two brief scenes. I guess the producers wanted to do more with her but couldn't figure it out. Beckman deserves regular status.

Originally Posted by doom1701

And that really nailed the problem I had with the season (and one of the big problems I had with the series). In "vs. the Beard", the Ring is at the Buymore, thinking that it's a central place for the Intersect crew. And they are all taken out. Yet we're told that everyone is safe because they stopped the Ring from contacting their superiors.

Um, didn't *anybody* know where this team of highly trained Ring agents was going? Nobody at Ring HQ is going to say "We sent a team to the Buy More, and they never reported back after that...must be a fluke.".

HAHAH I thought the exact same thing. As I watched the episode I was all into it because I thought FOR SURE it was a "game changer"--the ring clearly knows about the Buy More or they wouldn't have sent a team in. The whole episode was great because just about every secret was exposed so you're all "wow where's it gonna go from here?".... but then with one line of dialogue everything is back to normal. Probably the single weakest part of writing they've done to date--it just makes no sense.

Season 3 was really hit or miss for me. Angel of Death and First Class were some of the best episodes of the series. They way they brought Morgan into the team was brilliant, and played out exactly how it should have. But the Ellie stuff was too far over the top, "The Ring" was a joke, some of the better plot points were totally left hanging, and Jeffster didn't die.

Watch it... I still have five episodes left. I was holding out hope that jeffster would get blown up (or at least just Jeff, Lester is kind of funny). I wonder what happens with Ellie that is over the top. You have me intrigued. Do not reveal though.

[DevdogAZ]

Originally Posted by mrdazzo7

I'm gonna need a hint on this now... I haven't seen anything that I would say was 'revolt worthy' so I'm curious to see what it was that pissed fans off when it happened. Did it happen by/in episode 14? I can't even go to a Chuck message board to find out... If I haven't seen it then that's fine, just say that, but if it's happened already, what was it?

LoadStar already clued you in pretty much, but just for a little more background, lots of Chuck fans follow TV critic Alan Sepinwall, because he is a huge fan/promoter of the show. He's hosted the last two Chuck panels at Comic-Con, he gets exclusive interviews with the creators, etc. So about 3-4 episodes into the season, when it appeared that, yet again, they were finding some stupid reason not to get Chuck and Sarah together, many fans on Sepinwall's blog were expressing their displeasure, and some even suggested that fans begin boycotting the show until they get Chuck and Sarah together.

Here's an interview Sepinwall did with the creators after the whole "Chuckpocalypse." You can safely read it, since it only talks specifically about the first few episodes of S3.

Also, I'm curious whether you're aware that S3 was really kind of two separate seasons. NBC originally ordered 13 episodes, and the creators plotted those out and were most of the way finished shooting those, when NBC decided to increase the order to 19 episodes. So rather than changing the plotlines that they'd already written and filmed, they simply decided to start a sort of Season 3.1 after the end of 3.0. So the episode where Chuck and Sarah get together in Paris after Chuck kills Shaw was originally supposed to be the end of the season (and perhaps the series finale, if the show wasn't renewed). Everything you see after that, starting with "vs. the Honeymooners" is Season 3.1 and is what the creators came up with to fill the extended order.

[mrdazzo7]

Yeah, i didn't know that about splitting the season up. Looks like there was just a two or three week gap between episodes, but I see what you mean about that being them planning that to be the end--it would have been somewhat fitting. The shaw thing was wrapped up, Chuck and Sarah were together, Casey was reinstated...etc.

I'm becoming more and more a fan or watching shows later on DVD... some shows are just better that way. I really like Chuck and think if I had watched the pilot I would have kept watching, but I would have probably felt the same way as a lot of fans. But watching it unfold so quickly makes it "Awesome". I'm down to the last five episodes and I have to admit, I'm kind of disappointed that it's over. Does Chuck come back in Sepetember or is it a mid-season show? I have to check but I'm trying to avoid ninja-spoilers.

[DevdogAZ]

Originally Posted by mrdazzo7

Yeah, i didn't know that about splitting the season up. Looks like there was just a two or three week gap between episodes, but I see what you mean about that being them planning that to be the end--it would have been somewhat fitting. The shaw thing was wrapped up, Chuck and Sarah were together, Casey was reinstated...etc.

I'm becoming more and more a fan or watching shows later on DVD... some shows are just better that way. I really like Chuck and think if I had watched the pilot I would have kept watching, but I would have probably felt the same way as a lot of fans. But watching it unfold so quickly makes it "Awesome". I'm down to the last five episodes and I have to admit, I'm kind of disappointed that it's over. Does Chuck come back in Sepetember or is it a mid-season show? I have to check but I'm trying to avoid ninja-spoilers.

It premieres on September 20.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/guide/fall-2010-grid/

[Shaunnick]

Originally Posted by mrdazzo7

Yeah, i didn't know that about splitting the season up. Looks like there was just a two or three week gap between episodes, but I see what you mean about that being them planning that to be the end--it would have been somewhat fitting. The shaw thing was wrapped up, Chuck and Sarah were together, Casey was reinstated...etc.

I'm becoming more and more a fan or watching shows later on DVD... some shows are just better that way. I really like Chuck and think if I had watched the pilot I would have kept watching, but I would have probably felt the same way as a lot of fans. But watching it unfold so quickly makes it "Awesome". I'm down to the last five episodes and I have to admit, I'm kind of disappointed that it's over. Does Chuck come back in Sepetember or is it a mid-season show? I have to check but I'm trying to avoid ninja-spoilers.

I'm a little bit excited for you. There are a couple of shockers still to come. One you might consider good, the other might make you real sad. One thing is for sure, the last couple of episodes get very intense.

[mrdazzo7]

Originally Posted by Shaunnick

I'm a little bit excited for you. There are a couple of shockers still to come. One you might consider good, the other might make you real sad. One thing is for sure, the last couple of episodes get very intense.

Good stuff so far. I just watched episode 16, where Chuck is committed to a psych ward when the intersect starts to mesh with his dreams... (side note, how sad was the security at that *CIA run* psych ward?) I'm 50/50 on that development, I'll have to see where it goes. At the end he dreams that Shaw is still alive, but there is no way that can be in the intersect, so it seems to be coming from nowhere.

I like the developments with Ellie and Awesome... at first I thought the writers were running out of ways to include them in each episode so they were sending them to Africa, and that time would be off screen. Then in the last episode when it actually showed them there, I figured they would eventually get caught up in a political thing and Chuck would have to go rescue them, so I didn't see the Ring connection coming. I thought him pretending to be CIA in order to track down their father was a convincing way to bring Ellie into the story. I'm very interested to see where that goes.

The whole episode, Anna was trying to talk to Morgan and he kept blowing her off--I thought for sure she was gonna tell him she was pregnant..glad they didn't go there. As for Chuck and Sarah, they seem to have ramped that right up... It went from three seasons of nothing to him killing a man to save her life, them trying to run away together, admitting their relationship to the brass, and then moving in together, in the span of like three episodes. I'm sure people who watched over time felt like it was WAY overdue.

Got three episodes left. Psyched to see what happens from here. Now that Ellie knows Casey is NSA it seems that it's only a matter of time before she learns the whole story (shh--don't tell me), and if that happens then it would effectively end the "keeping the secret from those you love" aspect of the show, so I'm interested to see where it would go from there.

[mrdazzo7]

Down to the final two episodes--how sad is it that I'm actually kind of mourning the fact that it's almost over? I didn't expect to love the show or to make it through the entire thing before the summer was over, but here I am. It's almost gonna be weird to *not* have any more episodes to watch.

The concept is over-the-top, but the core idea of going from a dead end, increasingly pointless existence to doing something that matters is something that resonates with me, so I really connected with the show on that level. It definitely has that "wish fulfillment" thing going for it, to the point that part of me is actually sad it's almost done, lol.

Anyway, episode 17 was intense--Shaw is alive, Ellie almost killed Casey, the Ring has Ellie, etc... I can only imagine what the last two episodes are gonna be like. I'm a little confused as to how Shaw is not only alive but seems totally fine (I could understand if he was f***ed up but he seemed strong, etc, but also as to how the ring completed their intersect. I thought they couldn't complete it which is why they were always trying to figure out how to build it or find the existing one. Maybe I missed something.

I'm trying to figure out if Justin actually does work for the CIA and is a double agent, or if he's strictly a ring agent and that whole office was a set up "mock" CIA office. Hmmm. I can't wait for the scene where Ellie learns the truth about what's going on--should be good stuff (assuming she does, anyway).

[Shaunnick]

Not really a good post, but I can't really say anything else.

[mrdazzo7]

Ok, I'm done... great stuff those last two episodes. Ellie, Devon, and Morgan teaming up to save Chuck, Sarah, and Casey must have been a trip for people who watched over time. It's gonna be interesting to see where the show goes from here, as the episode was definitely a game changer. No more Buy More, no more Ring, everyone in Chuck's life now officially knows that he works for CIA. Wherever it goes now it'll be a different show to a degree. Did people like the finale when it aired? Was anyone really surprised about the "mother" twist?

Hopefully the changes don't hurt though. Part of the fun of the show is the double life stuff and balancing regular normal characters/situations with the over-the-top...ness... of the CIA stuff. If it becomes a 100% spy show, something might get lost there. However, that last 30 seconds made it seem like whatever is coming is gonna be fairly epic, so it might work out.

Did Subway single-handedly sponsor the show? I know the show was in trouble a few times and I vaguely remember reading something about how Subway helped save it, but man those were probably the most in-your-face product placements I've ever seen on a TV (outside of 'The Biggest Loser'--they win hands down). Big Mike's ode to the Subway breakfast sandwich--complete with caloric content *and* the slogan--was pretty major. Good times.

Have to say, kind of sad that it's over.

[DevdogAZ]

Just in case you're interested, they announced at Comic-Con who will be playing Chuck's mom.

Spoiler:

Linda Hamilton

And I think the consensus from the thread about the finale is that Chuck followed through on his promise to Ellie that he actually quit the CIA, so whatever the next chapter is, it will either involve Chuck secretly working for the CIA behind Ellie's back, or it will involve Chuck & Co. doing freelance spy work trying to find his mom.

[mrdazzo7]

Originally Posted by DevdogAZ

Just in case you're interested, they announced at Comic-Con who will be playing Chuck's mom.

Spoiler:

Linda Hamilton

And I think the consensus from the thread about the finale is that Chuck followed through on his promise to Ellie that he actually quit the CIA, so whatever the next chapter is, it will either involve Chuck secretly working for the CIA behind Ellie's back, or it will involve Chuck & Co. doing freelance spy work trying to find his mom.

I'm not sure what happened when I typed out my thread but I had a paragraph in there about the bad-assery of the casting of Mama Bartowski--I love everything about it. I don't think you have to spoiler that since it's more or less a news item.

You're right about the secret life stuff, that makes sense. I watched the comic-con panel and am very excited about what's in store now--it sounds like they have a clear idea of what the deal is, so it should be interesting.

The only thing that concerns me is that even going into season four, the show is still a perennial "bubble" show. I remember reading about it early on about how it always had to fight for renewal, but I thought that the S4 pick up had been a lock and that it was a full season order. But from what I'm reading, it's only 13 at this point, and that the ratings for the second half of season three were so bad that it's a miracle it even got the 13 that it got.

By all accounts NBC had done everything in it's power to keep the show going, so I can't blame them. Is season four like a Jericho situation, where we're lucky we're getting 13 episodes and we should pretty much expect that to be it? It seems that unless there is a major, major uptick in viewers, it wont last (especially since it seems like it's more expensive to make than other shows).

I'm not really in the loop on all this so if I'm wrong/misinformed, let me know.

[DevdogAZ]

The show is actually very inexpensive to make. After S2, the producers agreed to slash the budget pretty dramatically, which led to several of the regular castmembers not being present in several episodes in S3. The reduction was also apparent in the effects budget during S3.

As for whether we'll get anything past the first 13 episodes of S4 - there's no guarantee. It really depends on the rest of NBC's shows. It's a pretty safe bet that the only reason Chuck was renewed for S4 was to maintain a little schedule stability since so many other shows were axed. If some of the new stuff looks to be catching on this fall, it will give the network the opening it needs to send Chuck packing. But if some of its new shows fail miserably, it could mean that Chuck, even with mediocre ratings, could stick around again just so NBC can avoid a complete firesale again.

So if you're a big fan of Chuck, you're probably rooting for shows like Undercovers, The Event and Chase to fail. And of course, Chuck has to maintain (or improve) on its ratings from S3.

[mrdazzo7]

Originally Posted by DevdogAZ

So if you're a big fan of Chuck, you're probably rooting for shows like Undercovers, The Event and Chase to fail. And of course, Chuck has to maintain (or improve) on its ratings from S3.

Hopefully Undercovers fails because the premise is a little too close for comfort, especially now that Chuck and Sarah are a couple... and Chase looks horrible so hopefully that doesn't last. The Event is the only new show I'm looking forward to (I need my serialized fix) so hopefully it doesn't come down to that and Chuck (of course, if it does, Chuck wins).

[mrdazzo7]

side note, is it sad that I'm kind of bummed out that I'm done with the show? I was really getting into it and looked forward to watching it, so now that it's over I'm kind of feeling the sadness, hahaha...

good job, show runners...