Stargate Universe 06/04/2010 "Incursion"

[sushikitten]

We were sure that Chloe and Eli will find something great to help them in the current situation or the ship in general. Why else would be the point of them being flung so far into the ship where they'd never been?

[Rob Helmerichs]

Originally Posted by cheesesteak

The Lucian Alliance also had a handy dandy Destiny door opener thingy while never having been on the ship, let alone having technical specs for the door lock. Maybe they could spin it that Telford stole the info.

Well, it's clear that Telford was passing information about Destiny to the Alliance while he was brainwashed.

But it does seem a little unlikely that they would be able to engineer a fix without any direct hands-on experience. Then again, I'm not sure where exactly on the Stargate Reality scale of unlikeliness this would fall...

[Sromkie]

Originally Posted by cheesesteak

The Lucian Alliance also had a handy dandy Destiny door opener thingy while never having been on the ship, let alone having technical specs for the door lock. Maybe they could spin it that Telford stole the info.

I don't think the door information is necessarily from Telford at all. I am thinking that they know more about Destiny than the Earth group does. If they didn't know more, I don't see why they would go to all the trouble to strand themselves in another galaxy. Their leader even mentioned something about exploring the ship's purpose. She probably has some information about the ship that makes it much more valuable to her than we can see at this point.

[ronsch]

Originally Posted by sushikitten

We were sure that Chloe and Eli will find something great to help them in the current situation or the ship in general. Why else would be the point of them being flung so far into the ship where they'd never been?

So Eli can have enough time to seduce her of course!!

[Anubys]

Originally Posted by sushikitten

We were sure that Chloe and Eli will find something great to help them in the current situation or the ship in general. Why else would be the point of them being flung so far into the ship where they'd never been?

I'm simply hoping so they can find a closet with some new clothes at this point

[Rob Helmerichs]

On his blog, Stargate: Universe writer-producer Joseph Mallozzi answers reader questions (scroll down past the working with John Scalzi stuff), many of which are the same ones being raised here. His answers do not inspire confidence...many of them are of the "That's the way it is because that's the way we want it to be" variety.

[Anubys]

Originally Posted by Rob Helmerichs

His answers do not inspire confidence...

His answers do not inspire confidence...

I was going to say "you can say that again!"...and then figured I would say it so you don't have to repeat yourself

[busyba]

Originally Posted by Rob Helmerichs

On his blog, Stargate: Universe writer-producer Joseph Mallozzi answers reader questions (scroll down past the working with John Scalzi stuff), many of which are the same ones being raised here. His answers do not inspire confidence...many of them are of the "That's the way it is because that's the way we want it to be" variety.

He also got one answer completely wrong:

vvv0472 writes: “Technically speaking, if the Lucian Alliance can dial Destiny in another universe from their Icarus-type planet, could they have dialed Atlantis in another galaxy as well?”

Answer: Yep.

Dialing Atlantis in another galaxy involves more than just having enough power to dial the 8th cheveron. The Atlantis gate is configured to only allow intergalactic connections between it and the stargate that is on earth.

It's like the Pegasus and Milky Way stargate networks are two seperate LANs that are completely isolated except for the Earth and Atlantis gates that are connected to each other by a VPN.

In any case, isn't Atlantis floating somewhere in San Francisco Bay right now?

[Bierboy]

Originally Posted by busyba

...If Chloe lives though, she better give up some nookie to Eli; he's earned it.

More than "some", I'd say...

[ADent]

Ugghhh.

What the hell?

Why does anyone want to destroy a planet to gate into a ship very, very, very far away with apparently no way back? Ship technology? Aren't the Ancient ships in Atlantis thousands of years newer?

Blow the air and pick up people after they pass out.

Do we really need a 3rd party here? Are they planning something long term, or just a way to get rid of some bad casting?

Too many actors asking for a raise?

[Church AV Guy]

They really need to explain why the Alliance wants Destiny. The trip is one-way, so what is the value to them? It makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Blowing up a planet each time you gate there seems awfully wasteful, especially with no way back.

[busyba]

Originally Posted by Church AV Guy

They really need to explain why the Alliance wants Destiny.

I agree. I'm marginally confident that an explanation will be forthcoming in the next episode.

[Anubys]

Originally Posted by busyba

I agree. I'm marginally confident that an explanation will be forthcoming in the next episode.

thunder stolen...

but I'll go out on a limb and say the reason will be lame

[jking]

I'm not sure that destroying the planet is a necessary by-product of gating to Destiny. It's just that both times it's happened have been because both groups have been being attacked and they have had to go before the proper (non-planet destroying) sequence can be ironed out. That said, I agree that a good explanation needs to be given as to why the Alliance is so interested in Destiny.

I'm going to venture a guess that we will learn the Alliance somehow knows that buried within Destiny's databanks is some Holy Grail-like secret, and once the dust settles on this incursion, the surviving members of the Alliance and the Earth force will join forces on the ship in a loose alliance to unlock the secret and take Destiny on a quest to find the secret. And that will be the new direction of the series going forward.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Originally Posted by jking

I'm not sure that destroying the planet is a necessary by-product of gating to Destiny. It's just that both times it's happened have been because both groups have been being attacked and they have had to go before the proper (non-planet destroying) sequence can be ironed out.

If I understand correctly, both planets were ones that had high concentrations of some high-energy element that was necessary for the intergalactic gate to work. In both cases, the gate travel had no connection to the planet exploding; the gate travel was an attempt to escape the exploding planet.

I suppose in a sense they've written themselves into an odd little corner; the only way they can get new cast members to the ship while maintaining Destiny's isolation is to blow up a planet every time somebody gates there, thus destroying the gate behind them. Which could get old...in fact, I'd say it already has!

[eddyj]

It really bugs me when people that should be at least marginally intelligent act like total morons. The stupidity shown in this episode was almost impressive.

[Anubys]

Originally Posted by eddyj

It really bugs me when people that should be at least marginally intelligent act like total morons. The stupidity shown in this episode was almost impressive.

almost

I don't know about you, but I was VERY impressed

[busyba]

Originally Posted by Rob Helmerichs

If I understand correctly, both planets were ones that had high concentrations of some high-energy element that was necessary for the intergalactic gate to work. In both cases, the gate travel had no connection to the planet exploding; the gate travel was an attempt to escape the exploding planet.

I suppose in a sense they've written themselves into an odd little corner; the only way they can get new cast members to the ship while maintaining Destiny's isolation is to blow up a planet every time somebody gates there, thus destroying the gate behind them. Which could get old...in fact, I'd say it already has!

The element was naquadria, a very powerful but highly unstable variant of naquada.

The planetary explosion is the result of harnessing the power of all that naquadria that was saturating the planet. Both the Icarus Project and the Lucian Alliance research team were trying to develop a method of harnessing that power for the gate in a way that wouldn't explode the planet, but they each ended up in circumstances where they were forced to activate the gate before they had found a safe way to do so, and that's why planet go boom.

Under ideal circumstances, they would be able to research the planet without coming under attack, and thus eventually find a way to use the gate without destryoing a planet in the process. But when do ideal circumstances ever arise on TV?

[eddyj]

Originally Posted by Anubys

almost

I don't know about you, but I was VERY impressed

Remember I grew up around Spanish Novelas. Hard to beat the stupidity levels on those!

[busyba]

Originally Posted by eddyj

Remember I grew up around Spanish Novelas. Hard to beat the stupidity levels on those!

Besos y Lagrimas

"No!"
"Si!"
"No!"
"Si!"
"No!"
"Si!"
"Si?"
"Si."

[kaszeta]

Originally Posted by eddyj

The stupidity shown in this episode was almost impressive.

I've previously argued that they staffed Icarus base solely with morons, incompetents, and people that pissed off higher-ups.

"What do we do with this moron?"

"I dunno, assign him to Icarus Base. The crap that idiot Rush is working on is never going to work anyways...."

[Church AV Guy]

Originally Posted by Rob Helmerichs

If I understand correctly, both planets were ones that had high concentrations of some high-energy element that was necessary for the intergalactic gate to work. In both cases, the gate travel had no connection to the planet exploding; the gate travel was an attempt to escape the exploding planet.

I suppose in a sense they've written themselves into an odd little corner; the only way they can get new cast members to the ship while maintaining Destiny's isolation is to blow up a planet every time somebody gates there, thus destroying the gate behind them. Which could get old...in fact, I'd say it already has!

I was being sarcastic when I said that they needed to blow up a planet to get to Destiny, but that you said is really what I meant. In order to add to the cast, they need a planet with naquadria. Of course, Jonas Quinn's home world had plenty of the stuff, but given the track record of the "project" if I were him, I woun't let them near the solar system!

I agree, the Alliance must have found some reference to Destiny where it was disclosed that there was something really valuable in on the ship, or in the data records. I would just like to know what that is.

[acvthree]

Originally Posted by Church AV Guy

Blowing up a planet each time you gate there seems awfully wasteful

It's the first one that's the hardest...I'm just saying.

[lordargent]

Originally Posted by busyba

then Young probably should give the Lt a heads-up so he doesn't intervene (as he would be required to do if Young were actually going to kill a prisoner in cold blood) and mess things up.

That would be pointless though, because if Young wanted to kill someone, he could say "hey, I'm not actually going to kill this guy, I want to scare him." And then, proceed to kill the guy despite his prior denial. "Ohh, I lied".

Originally Posted by cheesesteak

Why did the Lucian Alliance people come flying through the gate? Is that a 9th chevron thing?

IIRC it happened in the first episode as well. People came flying out and landed on each other.

[BitbyBlit]

Originally Posted by busyba

It's like the Pegasus and Milky Way stargate networks are two seperate LANs that are completely isolated except for the Earth and Atlantis gates that are connected to each other by a VPN.

It's funny thinking about the Ancients setting up VPGNs (Virtual Private Gate Networks) with Stargates.

Perhaps that would be an alternative to blowing up planets. If they could establish a chain of Stargates from one galaxy to the next, perhaps they could connect all the galaxies from the Milky Way to wherever Destiny is.

Maybe something like this already exists, and that's what the Alliance is after. If they could quickly get to virtually anywhere in a significant percentage of the known universe, that would allow them to greatly expand their empire.

Originally Posted by busyba

But when do ideal circumstances ever arise on TV?

When they need everything to work out in the end.

Usually to balance out everything going perfectly wrong they eventually need everything to go perfectly right.

[wedgecon]

I thought ZPM were the ultimate in Ancient power technology?

[dianebrat]

Originally Posted by wedgecon

I thought ZPM were the ultimate in Ancient power technology?

Pretty sure the ZPM was a later technology, post-Destiny

[Tangent]

Originally Posted by dianebrat

Pretty sure the ZPM was a later technology, post-Destiny

Yup. All the power, none of the explaining to do after you blow up yet another planet.

[cheesesteak]

The Lucian Alliance must have an enormous clothing budget with all those black leather uniforms. Or maybe they do bondage videos on Tuesday nights to help out with the costs.

[kaszeta]

Originally Posted by cheesesteak

The Lucian Alliance must have an enormous clothing budget with all those black leather uniforms.

They've found some secret Goa'uld Pleather Generators.