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Old 05-27-2014, 02:13 PM   #1621
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I was and am okay with how it all resolved.
This. The emotional resonance of the finale far outweighed any bother I felt about unanswered questions or curious pacing choices for the final season.

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Old 05-27-2014, 02:49 PM   #1622
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Yeah, I think they do. For such a high budget, long running, high ratings series with writers who kept saying it was all going to make sense, there is still severe anger over no answers. Even some of the comments above were not explanations, the smoke monster was not explained at all, we just were shown the beginning one, not why or how. That's like asking how the atomic bomb works and being shown just a movie of the first drop. There was a bomb in this show and it even went off but made no sense at all as did a million other things, folks are still mad over spending so much time trying to figure out a mystery. Suppose you spent a year reading a big mystery murder book and at the end instead of a resolution they just told you it was just a dream and no crime even occurred, forget all the characters you followed and the plot, I bet you'd be mad.
What possible explanation can you come up with for the Smoke Monster that would be satisfying? It was always going to be something supernatural and unexplainable.

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What if when everyone guessed it was purgatory early on, the writers admitted it. How many people would have stopped watching? Lots. They HAD to deny it. Could they have been more coy about it? Sure. And they should have been. Part of the problem, I think, is that they should have been told, after season 1, not season 3 (if I have my timelines correct) that this series was going x amount of years, and they need to plan the story out accordingly. There's no reason, once they resolved the story in x amount of time, they couldn't have done another story with the same characters post what happened in the finale if they wanted to extend the series past that. You still had Hugo and Ben on the island after and there could have been more stories to tell.
That's not how TV shows are written or how the TV business works. After S1, the network isn't going to guarantee the show another five seasons. The network makes its decision after each season whether it's going to renew each show. In very rare instances, it will renew a show for more than one year. But even this year, when CBS renewed the highest-rated show on TV, The Big Bang Theory, for another three seasons, the industry was very surprised at such a lengthy renewal, because it's so out of the ordinary.

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Dahhh... of course the writers would not admit it was going to be purgatory after it was guessed, that is my point---they should WRITE something else, they are writers, they are not bound just because in the start they were going to do that, they are supposed to have an imagination, see? By ending up using purgatory they looked even dumber as well as lying. That's why many are still mad.
I'm curious what part of the final season you are having a problem with. Because for me, the flash-sideways plots to all the characters interacting in LA were actually enjoyable and I really liked the final ending of them meeting up in the church and moving on together. What I didn't like about the final season was the disjointed story of what happened on the Island. The Temple, the brothers, the Black Rock, the foot statue, etc. All of that was a complete mess and shows that the writers had no idea how they were going to resolve the story.

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What possible explanation can you come up with for the Smoke Monster that would be satisfying? It was always going to be something supernatural and unexplainable.
That's not what they said. They promised everything would have a logical explanation.

What bothered me was that they both explicitly (through what they said) and implicitly (through the way they built their show over time) promised a different kind of show than what they delivered.

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Old 05-27-2014, 03:15 PM   #1624
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That's not what they said. They promised everything would have a logical explanation.

What bothered me was that they both explicitly (through what they said) and implicitly (through the way they built their show over time) promised a different kind of show than what they delivered.
I never put any faith into their claims that everything would be logically explained, because it wasn't possible. There was just way too much unexplainable stuff on that Island that it would have been impossible for them to write an ending that was satisfactory to anyone who was expecting logical explanations. Thus, I was never expecting a logical explanation.

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Am I the only one here who posted in this resurrected thread and suddenly was getting unsolicited emails from an old Lost fan using an old forum email list to spam us with requests for money for his kickstarter film project? A bunch of us have been trying to get off of that list, but he has no formal "unsubscribe" option. It just seemed to be pretty coincidental that this old thread and the sudden spam occurred one after the other.

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Old 06-03-2014, 08:47 AM   #1626
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Nice article about Damon Lindelof and it speaks about some of the thought process behind Lost. I think, from what I gather, that he and Cuse were so surprised that this show was such a hit and they'd have to come up with SEASON'S worth of material that perhaps this lead to much of the disjointed stuff they came up with.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/01/ma...lost.html?_r=0

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Old 06-03-2014, 04:18 PM   #1627
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I think I've discussed this somewhere before - perhaps even upthread - but Lost was the brainchild of the then-ABC president, who had the thumbnail sketch of an idea for a show, and brainstormed it with JJ Abrams, and then had JJ do a pilot in a remarkably short amount of time. Abrams brought on Lindelof to help write it, and then after the pilot was shot and the show picked up, he got the Mission Impossible directing gig, and he left Lindelof to run it.

So yeah, he kind of got stuck holding the bag, so to speak, and had to create a show out of all the crazy ideas they threw into the pilot.

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Old 06-03-2014, 04:20 PM   #1628
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The ABC President was Lloyd Braun, and his is the voice you hear say "Previously on LOST."

Don't remember where I read that.

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I think I've discussed this somewhere before - perhaps even upthread - but Lost was the brainchild of the then-ABC president, who had the thumbnail sketch of an idea for a show, and brainstormed it with JJ Abrams, and then had JJ do a pilot in a remarkably short amount of time. Abrams brought on Lindelof to help write it, and then after the pilot was shot and the show picked up, he got the Mission Impossible directing gig, and he left Lindelof to run it.

So yeah, he kind of got stuck holding the bag, so to speak, and had to create a show out of all the crazy ideas they threw into the pilot.
And then after the pilot was made and they had already begun writing and producing S1, Lindeloff (or the network suits) realized he wouldn't be able to run this show on his own, so they brought in Cuse to help make the trains run on time.

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The ABC President was Lloyd Braun, and his is the voice you hear say "Previously on LOST." Don't remember where I read that.
I'm pretty sure that voice is Carlton Cuse's. Very distinctive, and identical to "Previously, on Bates Motel" (his current project).

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Old 06-03-2014, 04:55 PM   #1631
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I'm pretty sure that voice is Carlton Cuse's. Very distinctive, and identical to "Previously, on Bates Motel" (his current project).
Nope. Aindik was right.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Previously_on_Lost

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... and yet many people will remember him only as the guy on Seinfeld who didn't sell computers.

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Old 06-03-2014, 05:53 PM   #1633
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Wow, I've been marathoning a rewatch with my daughter and we're almost done with season 3, so I've been hearing it several times a day for the last few months. I would have bet money it was him. All I can say is this: [media]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GcatQSyRK6c[/media]

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... and yet many people will remember him only as the guy on Seinfeld who didn't sell computers.
The guy on Seinfeld was named after the network exec.

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The guy on Seinfeld was named after the network exec.
I know. He and Larry David had a business relationship. I'm just saying I bet more people will associate that name with the Seinfeld character than for any real-life accomplishments of the actual person who owned that name.

It's sort of the opposite of what they did with Steinbrenner, who they made into a larger-than-life parody of himself.

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I have come to the sad conclusion that it's be really difficult to do a rewatch with my kids. There were so many episodes! And there are so many other shows out there that we haven't seen. I don't know if I can rewatch the entire series. Key moments sure, but unless it was a week long marathon or something, it might not happen.
Ha! Good news - that was crazy talk.. I've got my three daughters hooked - we're into season 2, and the hatch surprise was maintained (S2E1 generated exactly the "OHH!!!!!" moments I hoped for, and that we all experienced).

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Yeah. As I watched Lost, I was actively excited about a rewatch so that I could re-experience it with fresh insights ("oh, that's why that horse appeared!"). When I got to the end and learned that 90% was left unexplained (even the freaking numbers) Lost became dead to me. Dead to me forwards, backwards, sideways and on into not-purgatory-but-really-purgatory.

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Blah blah blah I didn't like it blah blah blah.

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90% was left unexplained (even the freaking numbers)
They're just the core numerical values of the Valenzetti Equation. Alvar Hanso talked about them on one of the videos (in the Lost Experience).

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I watched with my son a couple of years ago...

At the time, my son was on a race to get to the end...

I told him that somethings are more about the journey than about the destination... And Lost was definitely more about enjoying the journey...

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This date/time is coming up.

4/8/15 16:23:42

I'll rip a partial quote from a recent reddit.com/r/lost/ thread (that I won't link to due to language): "The sky will light up, then we're all back in the 70's."

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4/8/15 16:23:42

I'll rip a partial quote from a recent reddit.com/r/lost/ thread (that I won't link to due to language): "The sky will light up, then we're all back in the 70's."
Oh I am sooo going to borrow that for my facebook timeline

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I watched with my son a couple of years ago...

At the time, my son was on a race to get to the end...

I told him that somethings are more about the journey than about the destination... And Lost was definitely more about enjoying the journey...
I've said this many times. It's like taking a cross country trip to California, getting to the Pacific Ocean, and looking at it for a couple of minutes, going meh and heading back east. But all those stops along the way were what made the trip. And when I look back on Lost, that's how I feel. Yeah, the last season sucked, but I can still recall it being one of the only shows I made sure to watch that night and looking forward to it all week. For all the hours of enjoyment I had leading up to the meh ending, it was worth it.

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I've said this many times. It's like taking a cross country trip to California, getting to the Pacific Ocean, and looking at it for a couple of minutes, going meh and heading back east. But all those stops along the way were what made the trip. And when I look back on Lost, that's how I feel. Yeah, the last season sucked, but I can still recall it being one of the only shows I made sure to watch that night and looking forward to it all week. For all the hours of enjoyment I had leading up to the meh ending, it was worth it.
That's pretty much my take on it. The anger and sense of betrayal I felt at the ending (in that they seemed to deliberately promise something they did not deliver) faded a lot faster than the enjoyment from the previous seasons.

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I've just started re-watching too. I'm half-way through the first season. I know how it all ends but I'm still really enjoying "the ride" again.

This show is very heavy on interesting characters, mysterious island with secrets, and enemies that turned out to be very complex. Throw in some Sci-fi and I love it. And the actors are very good in this show.

I didn't have HD for about half the seasons, so it was fun to watch in HD.

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Yeah. As I watched Lost, I was actively excited about a rewatch so that I could re-experience it with fresh insights ("oh, that's why that horse appeared!"). When I got to the end and learned that 90% was left unexplained (even the freaking numbers) Lost became dead to me. Dead to me forwards, backwards, sideways and on into not-purgatory-but-really-purgatory.
This pretty much exactly. While I appreciate that the journey is much of the fun, it is only so DURING the journey as the ending is still unknown but highly anticipated particularly in a show like this which raises so many questions.

After investing years I expected some kind of payoff in the end to at least come close to the level of pent up anticipation and not the nebulous blather we ended up with.

Similarly, I won't see a movie if I know the ending is vague, up to the viewer to interpret what happens. No, that's what writers are for - tell a story, lead me along the path, address the riddles and questions and tell me how it ends.

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I wonder if its possible for enough people to organize on a website and rewrite Lost. Maybe on a site like this, although greater numbers would really help with the imagination needed to come up with an ending that would answer the questions from the early episodes. Perhaps a thread to present ideas for each alternate episode and then add a poll a month later to vote for the best idea. But the question is how far back to go, where did Lost start to go bad. The last season sure, but some plot lines conceived in earlier seasons were painted into corners. I guess a starting point could be voted on as well.

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I wonder if its possible for enough people to organize on a website and rewrite Lost. Maybe on a site like this, although greater numbers would really help with the imagination needed to come up with an ending that would answer the questions from the early episodes. Perhaps a thread to present ideas for each alternate episode and then add a poll a month later to vote for the best idea. But the question is how far back to go, where did Lost start to go bad. The last season sure, but some plot lines conceived in earlier seasons were painted into corners. I guess a starting point could be voted on as well.
At this point, I don't really care anymore.

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I wonder if its possible for enough people to organize on a website and rewrite Lost. Maybe on a site like this, although greater numbers would really help with the imagination needed to come up with an ending that would answer the questions from the early episodes. Perhaps a thread to present ideas for each alternate episode and then add a poll a month later to vote for the best idea. But the question is how far back to go, where did Lost start to go bad. The last season sure, but some plot lines conceived in earlier seasons were painted into corners. I guess a starting point could be voted on as well.
I saw this happen before with Buffy Season 7.
A group of people got together to write their own version of Season 7 (while the show was still in production) and would post it on a website.

I lasted about four "episodes" before I couldn't take it anymore.
Because it was awful.
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