HP partners with TiVo to bring add on to WHS

jmpage2 · 03-10-2010, 09:35 AM

http://www.wegotserved.com/2010/03/1...tivo-revealed/

Pretty cool stuff!

While there are plenty of ways to do this, it looks like one of the slickest ways to manage a TiVo collection back and forth between a home server.

As I already have the HP MSS EX495 I will be downloading and setting this up right away, comments to follow!

TriBruin · 03-10-2010, 10:03 AM

I am so all over this. I have been waiting for this ever since I got MSS last year.

ZeoTiVo · 03-10-2010, 10:15 AM

it looks like a really nice skin of TiVo desktop but does not support automatic transfers. I do not get it?

CuriousMark · 03-10-2010, 10:17 AM

It looks like they made it run as a service.

TiivoDog · 03-10-2010, 11:24 AM

What really sucks is it is only compatible with the latest HP Mediasmart Servers - once again, early adopters (HP MSS EX475) are screwed.... I've got Series 3 Deja Vu ownership issues all over again inside of 1 week with the no updated GUI on the heels of the Premier..... I couldn't even have time to get over that one!!

atomarchio · 03-10-2010, 11:35 AM

I have Tivo and the LX195 HP Home Server. How do I upgrade this model to V3.0 so I can download this new add-on?

Please let me know. Thanks.

jmpage2 · 03-10-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeoTiVo

it looks like a really nice skin of TiVo desktop but does not support automatic transfers. I do not get it?

A lot of people don't do automatic transfers, they just archive select shows for later viewing or retrieval.

Hopefully they will add the automatic transfer feature eventually since it's a big deal to a select group of folks.

I have installed the add-on and all I had to do was put in my media key and it sees the recordings on both of my TiVos.

The beauty here really is that if you have the WHS client installed on all of your PCs and Macs in the house then you can pull up this control console from any of them and quickly move shows around. Pretty cool stuff.

jmpage2 · 03-10-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by atomarchio

I have Tivo and the LX195 HP Home Server. How do I upgrade this model to V3.0 so I can download this new add-on?

Please let me know. Thanks.

You need to order the 3.0 upgrade from HP, it's not free. I also am not sure if the LX195 is able to run the 3.0 software, so you should check the HP support website.

TriBruin · 03-10-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TiivoDog

What really sucks is it is only compatible with the latest HP Mediasmart Servers - once again, early adopters (HP MSS EX475) are screwed.... I've got Series 3 Deja Vu ownership issues all over again inside of 1 week with the no updated GUI on the heels of the Premier..... I couldn't even have time to get over that one!!

I wonder if you upgrade to 3.0 if you can run it.

MichaelK · 03-10-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeoTiVo

it looks like a really nice skin of TiVo desktop but does not support automatic transfers. I do not get it?

it just makes it easier to install rather then having to sneak your way into the box to install tivo desktop and/or pytivo.

jkhansen · 03-10-2010, 12:38 PM

Can anyone confirm if this will run on an EX47x or EX48x upgraded to the 3.0 software?

ZeoTiVo · 03-10-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jmpage2

The beauty here really is that if you have the WHS client installed on all of your PCs and Macs in the house then you can pull up this control console from any of them and quickly move shows around. Pretty cool stuff.

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Originally Posted by MichaelK

it just makes it easier to install rather then having to sneak your way into the box to install tivo desktop and/or pytivo.

ah. so is the client a remote control of the WHS? can you watch the videos on other PC's as well via the client or by copying the file to the other PC?

MichaelK · 03-10-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeoTiVo

ah. so is the client a remote control of the WHS? can you watch the videos on other PC's as well via the client or by copying the file to the other PC?

each client in the house installs some software that gives it remote control of the server and does the nightly backups (and checks on the clients antivirus and whatnot).

So you can remote control the WHS from any client in the house (or on the web- as the WHS comes with built in remote access and DDNS support). (in fact many of the WHS' sold are headless without even a VGA port)

Not sure of the mechanism of watching the videos on other pc's but the WHS can act as a DLNA server so maybe that could be leveraged? (not sure how the whole decrypt would be handled- I have a first gen WHS so no fun for me as not supported)

atomarchio · 03-10-2010, 12:51 PM

Looks like I am screwed on getting 3.0 for the LX195. It's not even available. That and HP can't even get the Media Collector to work right. They lied to me about having an upgrade to 2.5 coming out which never did. Thanks for nothing HP! What a waste of $

MichaelK · 03-10-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TiivoDog

What really sucks is it is only compatible with the latest HP Mediasmart Servers - once again, early adopters (HP MSS EX475) are screwed.... I've got Series 3 Deja Vu ownership issues all over again inside of 1 week with the no updated GUI on the heels of the Premier..... I couldn't even have time to get over that one!!

i just found out (via wegotserved) that HP sells an upgrade disk to their 3.0 version of the software for our first gen boxes.

it's like 27.95 plus a couple bucks for 2 day shipping. Check out their support site.

jmpage2 · 03-10-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeoTiVo

ah. so is the client a remote control of the WHS? can you watch the videos on other PC's as well via the client or by copying the file to the other PC?

The add-in for WHS puts the transferred recordings in the WHS media share called "Recorded TV" in a subfolder called "tivo".

This should make the recordings available to any device on the network that can access an SMB share.

jmpage2 · 03-10-2010, 01:17 PM

More info found in this write up from MediaSmartServer.net

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010...asmart-server/

Looks like HP has admitted that the scheduled automatic transfers would be a big feature and they will consider it for a future version.

atomarchio · 03-10-2010, 03:27 PM

Since I can't upgrade to 3.0 with the LX195. Is there another way I can access the content on my Tivo and copy it over to the LX195?

Please let me know. Thanks.

ZeoTiVo · 03-10-2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by atomarchio

Since I can't upgrade to 3.0 with the LX195. Is there another way I can access the content on my Tivo and copy it over to the LX195?

Please let me know. Thanks.

I would assume you can get TiVo desktop installed on the WHS. maybe others can chime in on that that have tried

innocentfreak · 03-10-2010, 04:26 PM

The disadvantage of doing it that way is you would need to remote into your WHS instead of using the WHS connector software to use it.

atomarchio · 03-10-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by innocentfreak

The disadvantage of doing it that way is you would need to remote into your WHS instead of using the WHS connector software to use it.

For the cost of a new HP Home Server, I can live with my LX195 if that's what I have to do. Hopefully, someone can show me how to do this.

ellinj · 03-10-2010, 05:43 PM

Can this device do any transcoding similar to tivo desktop plus?

Johncv · 03-10-2010, 06:05 PM

How does this bypass the copy protection carp that prevent transfer of shows?

ellinj · 03-10-2010, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Johncv

How does this bypass the copy protection carp that prevent transfer of shows?

I would imagine that it can't

tomm1079 · 03-10-2010, 08:25 PM

This is pretty much the same thing and not limited to what WHS you have:

http://www.whsplus.com/2009/04/11/ti...s-home-server/

I take that back. This just sends to the tivo...does not receive back.

mattack · 03-10-2010, 09:22 PM

Darn, OK, so it's still "pull". One of the earlier articles made me think/hope that you could, on the Tivo itself, say copy to the server.

Seems very very expensive for what we can do already with third party tools. Though admittedly, being able to just plop more hard drives in is very cool..

TriBruin · 03-10-2010, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mattack

Darn, OK, so it's still "pull". One of the earlier articles made me think/hope that you could, on the Tivo itself, say copy to the server.

Seems very very expensive for what we can do already with third party tools. Though admittedly, being able to just plop more hard drives in is very cool..

But if you already have an HP MediaSmart Server, it costs nothing. I have installed it, and, well, it works. I hope to see improvements (Autotransfers, please!) But at least it is an option.

Bsteenson · 03-11-2010, 01:21 AM

I'm not sure why this is a big deal.

PyTiVo, which is free, will let you stream just about any video file format from any computer to all the TiVo's in your house that are connected to your home network.

kmttg, which is also free, will let you pull programs from TiVo, cut commercials automatically and even transcode them to different format for viewing on computer or portable device.

There are also pyTiVo scripts available which will push content automatically from a "watched" folder on your computer to your TiVo.

ZeoTiVo · 03-11-2010, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mattack

Darn, OK, so it's still "pull". One of the earlier articles made me think/hope that you could, on the Tivo itself, say copy to the server.
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yep - that is what I am looking for. The early galleon had this ability via an HME app as it simply got the now playing list from all TiVo DVRs in the house = presented the list in hme app and then you picked the show and then galleon running on your PC initiated the pull from the TiVo for you. Kind of cool but cumbersome and then when HME public API work was abandoned

there was no way to streamline the concept further.

jmpage2 · 03-11-2010, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bsteenson

I'm not sure why this is a big deal.

PyTiVo, which is free, will let you stream just about any video file format from any computer to all the TiVo's in your house that are connected to your home network.

kmttg, which is also free, will let you pull programs from TiVo, cut commercials automatically and even transcode them to different format for viewing on computer or portable device.

There are also pyTiVo scripts available which will push content automatically from a "watched" folder on your computer to your TiVo.

I've used PyTiVo and kmttg in the past. However setting it up takes a bit of time, compared to this add-in, which takes about 3 seconds to install and set up.

It's just another option for those who don't need extra storage or some archiving capability but don't want to set multiple applications and scripts up on a computer in their house.