No DirecTV HD Tivo Announcement at CES?

TallShip · 01-09-2010, 03:58 PM

So I have been waiting with bad breath (that's beyond bated) for the rumored announcement about the new DirecTV HD TIVO, having not attended CES. I was suprised to not see a word blogged about this.

What happened? Were we simply scooped by 3D, or is the new Tivo not happening? Any info would be welcome.

thanks

HiDefGator · 01-09-2010, 07:05 PM

It's still coming but not this week.

stevel · 01-09-2010, 07:12 PM

No TiVo hardware announcements of any kind from CES. Looking to be several more months at least for the new DTiVo.

Adam1115 · 01-09-2010, 07:45 PM

DirecTV wasn't at CES. I would be surprised to hear TiVo demo a directv box that would have to be leased from directv....

But TiVo doesn't really have a booth at CES anyway...

jbell639 · 01-09-2010, 09:18 PM

so should i get the hddvr they offer now... or wait? it'll be at least feb. before i can get it so..

bigpuma · 01-09-2010, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jbell639

so should i get the hddvr they offer now... or wait? it'll be at least feb. before i can get it so..

I would be very surprised to see the new HD TiVo in the first half of 2010. If we are lucky we will see it some time this year.

OrangeKid · 01-09-2010, 11:55 PM

I visited the Tivo meeting room at CES and asked about the DirecTV HD Tivo. The Tivo representatives were reluctant to talk about it. When pressed they told me that they were in partnership with DirceTV but that it was a DirecTV product and I should talk to DirecTV about it. They also said if I found anythng out from DirecTV I should let them know. My conclusion is that the DirecTV HD Tivo is not imminent.

20TIL6 · 01-10-2010, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeKid

I visited the Tivo meeting room at CES and asked about the DirecTV HD Tivo. The Tivo representatives were reluctant to talk about it. When pressed they told me that they were in partnership with DirceTV but that it was a DirecTV product and I should talk to DirecTV about it. They also said if I found anythng out from DirecTV I should let them know. My conclusion is that the DirecTV HD Tivo is not imminent.

I think there's your answer.

samo · 01-10-2010, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam1115

DirecTV wasn't at CES. I would be surprised to hear TiVo demo a directv box that would have to be leased from directv....

But TiVo doesn't really have a booth at CES anyway...

The Entropic Technology is showing a next-generation, DirecTV multi-room DVR at CES. If TiVo had anything ready to demo they would too.

aeisner007 · 01-10-2010, 02:36 AM

these dtv guys can't fight their way our of a paper bag! Still can't record more than 50 series...could do that with tivo last century!

stevel · 01-10-2010, 08:38 AM

These TiVo guys can't fight their way out of a paper bag! Still can't provide a free space indicator... could do that with DirecTV DVR last century!

aeisner007 · 01-10-2010, 12:21 PM

Agreed....so why are they both so lame?

nrc · 01-10-2010, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stevel

These TiVo guys can't fight their way out of a paper bag! Still can't provide a free space indicator... could do that with DirecTV DVR last century!

What does a "last century" DirecTV DVR look like?

Kablemodem · 01-10-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nrc

What does a "last century" DirecTV DVR look like?

Dante101 · 01-10-2010, 01:48 PM

I guess both the DTV DVR and the Tivo have their limitations; but for me, I have 90 series in my Tivo's Season Pass Manager, and 117 saved WishList Searches. Originally I got DTV because I was tired of years of consistently bad quality TV signals from my cable providers. Through DTV I fell in love with the Tivo. Now I've reached a point where the Tivo is more important than DTV.

And in the past few years I've been seeing all these great new Tivos dancing around outside my window, just out of reach, with the ability to send programs to other rooms and download movies from Netflix and make me breakfast -- and I wonder what's keeping me at DTV.

Getting absolutely no updates from DTV about the new Tivo tells me that it's gonna be a long wait still. I think it's now down to me doing a Sophie's Choice -- DTV or Tivo, which one will I stay with. I feel like they've been stringing us along with empty promises just hoping we'll stay for some reason.

I really don't wanna leave, but...

Dante101 · 01-10-2010, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeKid

I visited the Tivo meeting room at CES and asked about the DirecTV HD Tivo. The Tivo representatives were reluctant to talk about it. When pressed they told me that they were in partnership with DirceTV but that it was a DirecTV product and I should talk to DirecTV about it. They also said if I found anythng out from DirecTV I should let them know. My conclusion is that the DirecTV HD Tivo is not imminent.

But then if you asked the DTV people, wouldn't they say, "We're waiting for Tivo to finish development and testing of the new box"? I mean who is actually making the box -- DTV or Tivo?

aeisner007 · 01-10-2010, 02:02 PM

You are right on target with your evaluation....but I guess almost all agree, except for the wordsmiths who wish to argue just for the sake of doing so....let's hope the Tivo partnership works out! I am sure someone is designing a fine machine somewhere in China!

convergent · 01-10-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante101

I guess both the DTV DVR and the Tivo have their limitations; but for me, I have 90 series in my Tivo's Season Pass Manager, and 117 saved WishList Searches. Originally I got DTV because I was tired of years of consistently bad quality TV signals from my cable providers. Through DTV I fell in love with the Tivo. Now I've reached a point where the Tivo is more important than DTV.

And in the past few years I've been seeing all these great new Tivos dancing around outside my window, just out of reach, with the ability to send programs to other rooms and download movies from Netflix and make me breakfast -- and I wonder what's keeping me at DTV.

Getting absolutely no updates from DTV about the new Tivo tells me that it's gonna be a long wait still. I think it's now down to me doing a Sophie's Choice -- DTV or Tivo, which one will I stay with. I feel like they've been stringing us along with empty promises just hoping we'll stay for some reason.

I really don't wanna leave, but...

Well the grass isn't really all that greener on the other side. I have had Time Warner Cable and Tivo for many years and am at the point of looking to ditch them both and go to DirecTV. I think that every day one of my TVs is missing some channels. The cable card + tuning adapter solution is something that is ridiculous (and I think has to be the result of something the government did). I have to choose between no-HD and having MRV from Tivo, or using HD and not having MRV, thanks to TWC's agressive use of the copy flags in the content. Not to mention I'm paying through the nose. And finally, that Tivo's latest and greatest DVR is years old and yet they still can't produce a Tivo HD XL (their flagship) that works properly (read the thread on hanging at the power on page).

I was hoping that something would come from Tivo at this CES cycle... a new box from them, news from DirecTV... something.

nrc · 01-10-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kablemodem

That unit ran TiVo software and I don't recall it having a free space indicator in any case. Either way, it doesn't support the notion that TiVo isn't able to provide a free space indicator.

It's pretty well known that the lack of a FSI is a design choice and not a lack of ability. Since it's a choice that doesn't really prevent you from doing anything it's hardly comparable to a 50 recorded series limit.

Adam1115 · 01-10-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nrc

That unit ran TiVo software and I don't recall it having a free space indicator in any case. Either way, it doesn't support the notion that TiVo isn't able to provide a free space indicator.

Sure it did! Those units were EASY to hack... You could have any 'indicator' you wanted...

stevel · 01-10-2010, 04:41 PM

The 50-series limit for DirecTV's DVRs is a design choice too. To think it comes from a lack of ability strains credulity.

Sir_winealot · 01-10-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stevel

The 50-series limit for DirecTV's DVRs is a design choice too. To think it comes from a lack of ability strains credulity.

So then it's simply ignorance/stupidity on DirecTV's part?

This is something that truly limits its capabilities, so for them to make this a design 'choice' is a major flaw IMO.

HiDefGator · 01-10-2010, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir_winealot

So then it's simply ignorance/stupidity on DirecTV's part?

This is something that truly limits its capabilities, so for them to make this a design 'choice' is a major flaw IMO.

But be fair for a minute. What percentage of DVR users would want\need more than 50 series links? 1%, 2%?

I suspect that for performance and speed of implementation they made the original design only 50. I would guess that very very few people have called them to complain about it. If it was percieved as a major issue it would have been changed by now.

nrc · 01-11-2010, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HiDefGator

But be fair for a minute. What percentage of DVR users would want\need more than 50 series links? 1%, 2%?

Based on perusing a few threads about how many season passes people have the number is higher than that - I would guess between 20% and 30%.

stevel · 01-11-2010, 09:39 AM

I'd more guess it's like 2-3% among the general user base. If that.

TallShip · 01-11-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante101

I guess both the DTV DVR and the Tivo have their limitations; but for me, I have 90 series in my Tivo's Season Pass Manager, and 117 saved WishList Searches. Originally I got DTV because I was tired of years of consistently bad quality TV signals from my cable providers. Through DTV I fell in love with the Tivo. Now I've reached a point where the Tivo is more important than DTV.

And in the past few years I've been seeing all these great new Tivos dancing around outside my window, just out of reach, with the ability to send programs to other rooms and download movies from Netflix and make me breakfast -- and I wonder what's keeping me at DTV.

Getting absolutely no updates from DTV about the new Tivo tells me that it's gonna be a long wait still. I think it's now down to me doing a Sophie's Choice -- DTV or Tivo, which one will I stay with. I feel like they've been stringing us along with empty promises just hoping we'll stay for some reason.

I really don't wanna leave, but...

This is exactly where I am at. I have canceled all my premium content in preference to other devices supporting NetFlix and other movie providers. I have three HR10-250s that are working fine - for now. My one HR20 goes into stupid mode a couple of times a month searching for satellite signal and I have to hit the reset button (it is back in stupind mode as we speak). I returned from holiday on 1/1 to find it had failed to record the Rose Bowl in HD for this reason. I cannot initiate recording of an OTA HD channel on my TIVO via DirecTV website...

I continue to consider the other options in the absence of any news on the new TIVO, sigh...

jcaudle · 01-11-2010, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by convergent

Well the grass isn't really all that greener on the other side. I have had Time Warner Cable and Tivo for many years and am at the point of looking to ditch them both and go to DirecTV. I think that every day one of my TVs is missing some channels. The cable card + tuning adapter solution is something that is ridiculous (and I think has to be the result of something the government did). I have to choose between no-HD and having MRV from Tivo, or using HD and not having MRV, thanks to TWC's agressive use of the copy flags in the content. Not to mention I'm paying through the nose. And finally, that Tivo's latest and greatest DVR is years old and yet they still can't produce a Tivo HD XL (their flagship) that works properly (read the thread on hanging at the power on page).

I was hoping that something would come from Tivo at this CES cycle... a new box from them, news from DirecTV... something.

I can't wait for Fios. They recently wired our neighborhood and we have recevied promotional materials in the mail. Hopefully they will complete their system checks and offer installation soon. I am tired of cox and their balky Scientific Atlanta Tuning adapter and CCI flags preventing Multiroom Viewing on digital channels. I was at my father in law's over the holidays...and that reminded me of why I don't want satellite....a bit of rain brings signal disruption...and no highspeed internet service. Fiber optic is the future.

Sir_winealot · 01-11-2010, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HiDefGator

But be fair for a minute. What percentage of DVR users would want\need more than 50 series links? 1%, 2%?

I suspect that for performance and speed of implementation they made the original design only 50. I would guess that very very few people have called them to complain about it. If it was percieved as a major issue it would have been changed by now.

Maybe. Your guess is as good as mine as to the percentage of folks who need more than 50......but I would imagine that not everyone who wants more than 50 will call in and complain about it. Having to deal with DTV to voice a complaint (at least by phone) can often times be a daunting task. Heck, I was on hold for 15 minutes the other day dealing with a card problem.

I considered having more than 50 available as being part of the basic DVR function, so I was surprised it was limited. Ie., HR2x should have the same basic functions as the HR10, plus some new-and-improved, IMO.

whitepelican · 01-11-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TallShip

[snip]I cannot initiate recording of an OTA HD channel on my TIVO via DirecTV website...[snip]

If you are running Tivo version 6.4a on your HR10-250s, then you can schedule OTA recordings by using the mobile version of DirecTV's DVR Schedular found at http://m.directv.com

HiDefGator · 01-11-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TallShip

...My one HR20 goes into stupid mode a couple of times a month searching for satellite signal and I have to hit the reset button (it is back in stupind mode as we speak)...

That's not normal. I have 4 HR20's. Three of them are over 2 years old. I can't remember ever needing to reboot any of them in the past 12 months.