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Old 08-03-2009, 10:03 PM   #1
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TiVo Desktop doesn't work with Snow Leopard

I just updated to a Snow Leopard seed and I see that my TiVo Desktop won't work anymore. The console spew below. I tried installing it again, I get "Tivo Desktop can't be installed on this computer" "The specified message could not be found for the index 19"

Console spew when trying to start the existing TiVo Desktop:
8/3/09 7:38:18 PM [0x0-0x109109].com.apple.systempreferences[61067] [Deprecated] CocoaJava: com.apple.cocoa.foundation.NSData
8/3/09 7:38:18 PM [0x0-0x109109].com.apple.systempreferences[61067] Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/apple/cocoa/foundation/NSData
8/3/09 7:38:18 PM [0x0-0x109109].com.apple.systempreferences[61067] at com.tivo.server.TiVoDesktop.getTiVoDesktopVersion(TiVoDeskto p.java:89)
8/3/09 7:38:18 PM [0x0-0x109109].com.apple.systempreferences[61067] at com.tivo.server.TiVoDesktop.<clinit>(TiVoDesktop.java:21)
8/3/09 7:38:18 PM [0x0-0x109109].com.apple.systempreferences[61067] Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.apple.cocoa.foundation.NSData
8/3/09 7:38:18 PM [0x0-0x109109].com.apple.systempreferences[61067] at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:200)
8/3/09 7:38:18 PM [0x0-0x109109].com.apple.systempreferences[61067] at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
8/3/09 7:38:18 PM [0x0-0x109109].com.apple.systempreferences[61067] at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:188)
8/3/09 7:38:18 PM [0x0-0x109109].com.apple.systempreferences[61067] at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:319)
8/3/09 7:38:18 PM [0x0-0x109109].com.apple.systempreferences[61067] at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:330 )
8/3/09 7:38:18 PM [0x0-0x109109].com.apple.systempreferences[61067] at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:254)
8/3/09 7:38:18 PM [0x0-0x109109].com.apple.systempreferences[61067] at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:399 )
8/3/09 7:38:18 PM [0x0-0x109109].com.apple.systempreferences[61067] ... 2 more
8/3/09 7:38:18 PM [0x0-0x109109].com.apple.systempreferences[61067] TiVoDesktop: can't launch TiVoDesktop!
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:12 PM   #2
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Aren't Snow Leopard seeds covered under NDA?

In any case, the exception indicates that TiVo Desktop is still using the deprecated-since-2005 Cocoa-Java bridge classes. Sounds like the window for using the deprecated API closed.
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Old 08-04-2009, 01:18 AM   #3
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So where did you obtain an advance copy of SL? Just jealous.
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Old 08-04-2009, 01:20 AM   #4
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Does kmttg work with Snow Leopard?
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Old 08-27-2009, 10:08 PM   #5
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Hm...

Would appreciate any info as to whether Tivo is working on fixing this or if you all think it is patchable. I don't know if I can endure another multiyear wait for a mac update from TiVo ...
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Old 08-28-2009, 02:37 PM   #6
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Similar reports elsewhere

Someone on the Roxio boards was able to get TiVo Transfer to launch by installing Rosetta (optional with Snow Leopard) and telling the OS to launch it with Rosetta. However, they are still having problems...

I can't post the link since I don't have enough TiVo Community posts, but if you Google for "Tivo Transfer and Snow Leopard" in quotes, you'll find it quickly.
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Old 08-28-2009, 04:07 PM   #7
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Those upgrading to Snow Leopard today, might want to wait if you use Tivo Desktop or Toast:

http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/

TivoDesktop 1.94 NOT working Does not start, shows java errors in log files
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:21 PM   #8
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I'll confirm it: I received and upgraded to Snow Leopard this afternoon and my Tivo Desktop is no longer working. My TivoHD no longer sees my MacBook Pro on the network.

This is an unpleasant surprise. I use Tivo Desktop regularly to stream music from my iTunes library through either of our two TivoHD units. It's become an important feature to me. I'm at a loss as to how to work around this.
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:44 PM   #9
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A good/better alternative for transferring files to/from TiVo and Mac is PyTiVoX and iTiVo. KMTTG is another good one. I have all three loaded on my iMac 24" aluminum.

That said, I have Snow Leopard sitting here and intend to install it later this evening or tomorrow so I can't say if they will work or not right now. If no one else confirms one way or the other I'll post later.
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:50 PM   #10
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Does this really surprise anyone! I mean really look how they treat Mac users.
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Old 08-28-2009, 09:30 PM   #11
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Yup, it's broken, for exactly the reason I mentioned in my last post (the Java/Cocoa bridge classes are gone, since Apple has moved to the Java 6 SE JVM).

Fortunately, it doesn't look as if they're using those classes for too much, so it shouldn't be too difficult to fix. I'm not sure what the state of the lame-based audio transcoder portions will be with the move to QuickTime X, since I don't follow those APIs as closely as I once did.

I know that the TiVo Transfer app (from the TiVo/Roxio partnership) also broke with 10.6, and there's already (beta) patches for that available for Toast 9/10 and Popcorn users:

http://twitter.com/toastguy/status/3613790424
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Old 08-29-2009, 12:44 AM   #12
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I know that the TiVo Transfer app (from the TiVo/Roxio partnership) also broke with 10.6, and there's already (beta) patches for that available for Toast 9/10 and Popcorn users:

http://twitter.com/toastguy/status/3613790424
Which would be great if they would actually accept my CD key....
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Old 08-29-2009, 02:24 AM   #13
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The main reason I like Tivo Desktop for Mac is it uses the iTunes playlists/organization for music, and iPhoto albums for photos - none of these other solutions can do that, to the best of my knowledge (the one app I found that did understand iTunes inexplicably couldn't handle anything but mp3).

But for video, yeah no argument here - the apps people have developed here are definitely superior to Tivo Desktop.
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Old 08-29-2009, 05:21 AM   #14
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After installing Snow Leopard I installed both iTiVo and pyTiVox and both seem to be working fine. I will give KMTTG a try tomorrow.
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Old 08-29-2009, 05:24 AM   #15
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Hey!! I faced the same problem. So, you got any solution ??
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Old 08-29-2009, 07:07 AM   #16
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After installing Snow Leopard I installed both iTiVo and pyTiVox and both seem to be working fine. I will give KMTTG a try tomorrow.
Do those let the Tivo see the Mac for playing iTunes playlists?
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Do those let the Tivo see the Mac for playing iTunes playlists?
pyTiVoX allows you to view videos and play music (options to shuffle, etc.). It comes w/StreamBaby for videos and music as well.

When you set it up you add as many shared directories as you'd like, indicate if they are video, music, streaming, etc., click "Apply", give TiVo a minute to catch up and you're good to go.

That said, I use it for videos and haven't had a play with it to see if it recognizes iTunes playlists. I might have time to look at it later. It's a free program and very easy to install and use if you want to do a little experimenting.

Here's the home page for pyTiVo and pyTiVoX:

http://pytivo.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Here's their forum:

http://pytivo.sourceforge.net/forum/

EDIT: The creator of pyTiVoX and iTiVo is a frequent visitor here named "YOAV". You might want to do some searching for more info or PM him. He's terrific at responding. If you find out more do let us know!

EDIT II: Ah, I see you've found the pyTiVo thread on the forum. I'll follow that to what comes back.

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Old 08-29-2009, 04:22 PM   #18
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...I know that the TiVo Transfer app (from the TiVo/Roxio partnership) also broke with 10.6, and there's already (beta) patches for that available for Toast 9/10 and Popcorn users:

http://twitter.com/toastguy/status/3613790424
Dennis thanks for posting this. I'm installing it on the only machine I've upgraded to 10.6

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That said, I use it for videos and haven't had a play with it to see if it recognizes iTunes playlists. I might have time to look at it later. It's a free program and very easy to install and use if you want to do a little experimenting.
I'm pretty sure pyTiVo doesn't automagically read the iTunes playlists. There's probably some way to export the playlists and use them in pyTiVo, but if you have lots of smart playlists (like I do), that isn't really a viable option. I think I'll just leave my media center box of 10.5 awhile and see if TiVo ever updates their Mac software.
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Dennis thanks for posting this. I'm installing it on the only machine I've upgraded to 10.6

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Oh well -- it crashes shortly after it starts up and no main window ever shows up. The error log shows...
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*** Terminating app due to uncaught exception 'NSUnknownKeyException', reason: '[<TTDownloadedShow 0x45a990> valueForUndefinedKey:]: this class is not key value coding-compliant for the key startTime.'

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I'm pretty sure pyTiVo doesn't automagically read the iTunes playlists. There's probably some way to export the playlists and use them in pyTiVo, but if you have lots of smart playlists (like I do), that isn't really a viable option. I think I'll just leave my media center box of 10.5 awhile and see if TiVo ever updates their Mac software.
YOAV confirms that pyTiVoX does not handle iTunes playlists at this time; only plays songs as individual files.
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It handles playlists, just not iTunes playlists.
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The other thing I'd be looking for is iPhoto integration. I'm teetering on the edge of potentially trying to learn enough Python to scratch my own itch in this regard.
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After installing Snow Leopard I installed both iTiVo and pyTiVox and both seem to be working fine. I will give KMTTG a try tomorrow.
Kudos to Yaov for the hard work on making these easy to use. Things have come a long way since the days of TivoDecodeManager, etc., which I could never get to work right.
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After installing Snow Leopard I installed both iTiVo and pyTiVox and both seem to be working fine. I will give KMTTG a try tomorrow.
I can confirm that KMTTG does indeed work fine with Snow Leopard.
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It handles playlists, just not iTunes playlists.
Ok, so how do I feed it a playlist based on an iTunes playlist?

Currently I have to make a copy of all songs in a playlist into a separate folder to fake pyTivoX into doing a "playlist". If I can give it a small playlist rather than 300MB of duplicated music, that would be much better.
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The simplest way is an .m3u file. In its most basic form, this is just a list of files, in plain text, one per line.
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The simplest way is an .m3u file. In its most basic form, this is just a list of files, in plain text, one per line.
I wonder if this might work (there is a Mac OSX version as well)

http://www.ericdaugherty.com/dev/itunesexport/
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I wonder if this might work (there is a Mac OSX version as well)

http://www.ericdaugherty.com/dev/itunesexport/
Hey, that's pretty cool - thanks for the pointer! You could put that in a cron job, or even an AppleScript that's triggered by a folder action (say if a new song is added to one of your music folders).

I know he has a separate OS X program, but since it's built under .NET 2.0 it very well might work as-is on the Mac using the latest Mono runtime.
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Old 09-09-2009, 09:16 PM   #30
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Coming up on two weeks w/o Desktop.

This is quite a poor showing by TiVo and I'm a big fan. It's not like they couldn't have seen this coming. From what I can tell, there is no way TiVo Desktop functioned on ANY of the Snow Leopard development builds that have been released over the past year.

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