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Old 05-13-2009, 12:05 AM   #91
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SGR215, if everyone thought like you did, then what's the financial motivation for networks to make and broadcast tv shows?
Simple, that's not my problem and I don't care if your prehistoric business model is suffering. I know, that sounds blunt but it's the reality of the situation. Allow me to clarify.

If I were in the business of making and broadcasting TV shows then I'd have to seriously consider how to maximize revenue streams while maintaining customer satisfaction. Some ways of doing so is non-intrusive advertising or, to be more specific, placing ads that also work their way into the plots of shows but not in an intrusive manner. For example, a popular TV personality might drive a BMW M3 and on some occasions we might see him do something entertaining yet subliminally advertise the car at the same time. (I.E. Spin the wheels and do donuts while showing off the engine noise.) I don't know about you, but I love cars and this would certainly make me consider purchasing one if I were in the market for a sports car. This might not provide the same astronomic profits the executives are used to but unfortunately, times change.

Realistically though, I'm still profitable. You just have to figure out how to maximize that profit without annoying me. For example, many people used to pirate TV shows because there was no way to obtain them legally online. Now, many people purchase them on Itunes. Why? Because their business model evolved with the times and provided a reasonable price for the TV show. DRM is still of a concern however, and unless this changes their profit margins will continue to suffer. Luckily they are beginning to realize this.

Broadcasters must become creative with advertising and evolve with the times. In your face "WATCH THIS AD NOW OR YOU'LL BE SORRY!" advertising simply isn't working anymore. Telling me that if I don't watch your ads the end of TV is near won't work either. From a consumer standpoint, and again playing devils advocate, I don't care if they evolve or not. If they annoy me too much, treat me like I'm a thief, etc I'll go elsewhere until they learn their lesson. If they don't then I'll deal with it when that time comes.

Perhaps what broadcasters really need to do is quit whining and actually develop innovating new ideas to profit off their consumers rather than just annoying in-your-face ads? (I.E. Pause menu ads) I know that I've developed several websites with this type of philosophy and while I'm not driving a Ferrari I do make a decent side income from it. Some users even give me money simply because they enjoy the site and I ask nicely. Imagine that. Anyhow, this is strictly my opinion on the situation so take it for what its worth. But contrary to popular belief, there are ways to make money from me.
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Old 05-13-2009, 12:16 AM   #92
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orangeboy,

I honestly don't see anything wrong with those posts.

As for why they must make them here? Simple, it's common knowledge Tivo frequents this board and actually makes decisions based on comments on this board. Just look at some of TivoPony's requests. As a matter of fact, the new "Tivo Search" beta includes a link to this very forum asking for suggestions/comments.
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Old 05-13-2009, 12:55 AM   #93
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I talked with tivo about why I was changing and was put in touch with a tivo rep who says she cares about customer feedback so all complaints should go to her Jessica --email removed.
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Thank you for following up. I will provide your feedback to the appropriate teams, as it is good to hear the customer perspective.

Best,

Jessica

[snip, different email]

It is always good for us to hear feedback from customers as we are
constantly working to improve the TiVo experience be it customer
service or product related.

Again, please feel free to contact me if you have any additional
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I don't see any one else from tivo giving anyone their email and wanting to set up phone conversations to discuss problems. I have given the original poster and the others who have a problem with tivos ads a valid tivo email to voice thier concerns to.
As a side point, I read through the email correspondence you had with Tivo PR... and I don't see where Ms Loebig said "please share my email on forums so everyone can spam me." In fact, she indicates a desire to set up a feedback system for the express purpose of removing the potential mail bomb such feedback might induce.

You know her email address for the express purpose of dealing with your particular complaint. Publishing her email address on a forum and telling people to email her with their issues is out of line, and counterproductive to the goal of providing customer feedback concerning ads (as it bypasses established (and soon to be established?) feedback channels).
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Old 05-13-2009, 03:16 AM   #94
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In gawd's name WHY!!!??? Are you of the totally moronic notion it would somehow cost you less? Guess again. It probably costs you more. 'As likely as not, much, much more. Unless you never buy anything, ever, it certainly isn't going to save you anything.
I guess I must be a moron, as you say, because I have no idea what your trying to say, let alone in relation to my post.

Are you talking about some esoteric economic concept that if we paid less for our tivo subscriptions but accepted more of the current "click here" style ads that it would cost us more in the long run because like mindless sheep we'll just go out and buy whatever the ads are telling us to?

Uhmmm... er... hmmm...
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:19 AM   #95
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And how do we get more competition? Increased profit motive. In other words, more people willing to pay more.
OK, what does that have to do with ads? You think putting ads all over the UI is going to get more people to pay more money?
Rather, you commented on how things are the way they are because there is so little competition. I explained why there was so little competition. So basically there is this choice:

1) As things are now.

2) Pay more (generally) for DVRs; that gets more companies to compete for those dollars; that prompts each to improve their offerings, to have a better chance of getting those extra dollars people are magically willing to pay.

Customers are, generally, too cheap for their own good.
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By what measure is TiVo top dog now?
Mass-market sales.
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Threads like this always amuse me, as they highlight the inherent immaturity that is the major driver of many American consumers. There seem to be two types:

First, we have the naive consumer, who engages the process, is affected by it, and conforms to what has been set forth as their role in it. These are the folks who watch commercials and buy products and services as a result. They are the engine that drives industry to serve all of us.

Second, we have the angry consumer, who rails against the process, casts it as a conspiracy against them, and blames everyone else for what they don't like about it, instead of acknowledging reality.

Stop deceiving yourself: If you think that the profitability of the products and services you consume is not your concern, then you're allowing yourself to be that second type of immature consumer.

Stop your childish whining: You can come back and whine after there are other companies doing what you would have TiVo do, and making loads of profit off of following your advice. Until then, learn to accept the world as it is. You can work to make it better by rewarding (read: paying a premium -- extra money -- for the products and services of) companies that do what you like. Complaining about companies not offering to you what no other companies offer to you is ridiculous -- literally worthy of ridicule.
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Old 05-13-2009, 05:25 AM   #98
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I haven't confirmed this, but does the "more about" and/or ads in this space which I have yet to see, work if you use dial up instead of broadband?

This may not be an option for those of us that use broadband features like Netflix or download movies, but the ones that don't this may be an easy way to do away with this annoyance.
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Old 05-13-2009, 06:43 AM   #99
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If I were in the business of making and broadcasting TV shows then I'd have to seriously consider how to maximize revenue streams while maintaining customer satisfaction. Some ways of doing so is non-intrusive advertising or, to be more specific, placing ads that also work their way into the plots of shows but not in an intrusive manner.
so you would rather more product placement in the shows you are actually watching versus in menus you can actually ignore. Also you believe that somehow advertisers will magically get suitably subtle.

You know what shows do product placements well now - reality shows like American Idol or The Apprentice. How a serious drama like Law & Order or Lost or Fringe could do well with product placement without turning TV into a true wasteland is a little beyond me.

so when they find the polar bear on lost the Polar bear is drinking a Coke?. Perhaps Volkswagen paid good money to show off the beatup VW microbus on Lost.
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Old 05-13-2009, 06:55 AM   #100
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What does all that have in common? What pays the bills? ADVERTISING, ADVERTISING, and more ADVERTISING!

They say a fish rots from the head down, so we shouldn't be surprised that this is the direction that TiVo is taking.
Absolutely. But you have it exactly backwards. TiVo went and got people experienced in advertising because that is what TiVo wants and has wanted from day one.

TiVo has always "promised" us more ads - all of its early company publicity stressed that was a major goal of TiVo.

That's what they need to do to survive. Selling machines and software is not going to be enough; TiVo has amply demonstrated that in the past 10 years. They would need another $5 a month from each of us for each sub we have (even lifetime) if they want to make an average profit.

If it wasn't for the potential of ads, TiVo wouldn't exist today in its current form. The main reason investors have stuck with TiVo, and companies like Comcast, Cox, and DirecTV have partnered with TiVo, is that there's a potential pot of gold in the targeted ads that TiVo will allow. It's that investment money that has paid for everything new out of TiVo since the S2.

Consumers have always valued ad skipping as a major feature, but TiVo has never advertised it as a feature, or even suggested we should buy a TiVo because we could skip ads. Until the recent HD boxes, the outside of the box didn't even offer a mechanism for skipping ads! (They prominently mentioned Rewind, Pause, and Slo-mo; they didn't even list FF, much less 30-second skip). There is no betrayal here; TiVo never promised us no ads.

We've escaped ads so far just because TiVo has failed at becoming large enough to offer an advertising market, IMO. Now with large deployment by Comcast, etc, (caused by acceptance by them and the networks that things have to change), TiVo is trying out its ad delivery mechanisms.

I don't like the ads, but nobody has come up with a better mechanism for TiVo to make a profit.
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As a side point, I read through the email correspondence you had with Tivo PR... and I don't see where Ms Loebig said "please share my email on forums so everyone can spam me." In fact, she indicates a desire to set up a feedback system for the express purpose of removing the potential mail bomb such feedback might induce.

You know her email address for the express purpose of dealing with your particular complaint. Publishing her email address on a forum and telling people to email her with their issues is out of line, and counterproductive to the goal of providing customer feedback concerning ads (as it bypasses established (and soon to be established?) feedback channels).
You might not have all the information! tivo is very concerned with tivos customers feelings! And concerns!
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Ads will sink Tivo.. mark my words.
people have been saying that since 2001 at least....
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Trolls have been saying that since 2001 at least....
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Threads like this always amuse me, as they highlight the inherent immaturity that is the major driver of many American consumers. There seem to be two types:

First, we have the naive consumer, who engages the process, is affected by it, and conforms to what has been set forth as their role in it. These are the folks who watch commercials and buy products and services as a result. They are the engine that drives industry to serve all of us.

Second, we have the angry consumer, who rails against the process, casts it as a conspiracy against them, and blames everyone else for what they don't like about it, instead of acknowledging reality.
There is a third type of consumer that follows your advise below

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You can work to make it better by rewarding (read: paying a premium -- extra money -- for the products and services of) companies that do what you like.
This is a consumer who pays for HBO, Showtime and PPV. Consumer who will buy Moxi or will switch to satellite to avoid TiVo ads. Consumer who will buy less junk, but will pay his credit card in full each month. Consumer who knows what he wants and gets irritated by commercials and reality shows designed for the lowest common denominator.
Unfortunately, this consumer is in minority. Most people still believe that Wall Street can subsidise company like TiVo forever so they can keep losing other people money under presumption that one day they will make their shareholders rich.
I do not believe that TiVo is or will be making any substantial money by selling ads, but I do believe in voting with a pocket book. If you don't like extra ads, then switch. If you can not afford to switch or are too cheap, then enjoy the extra ads - you have no choice. If ads don't bother you, then you are consumer of the first type and you get what was intended for you - be happy.
Just don't tell me that I have some kind of duty to watch commercials for the common good of the broadcast industry. If technology allows me to skip them, I will. If free broadcast disappears, I'll pay for the quality programming (whatever it takes to produce something that I would like to watch).
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so you would rather more product placement in the shows you are actually watching versus in menus you can actually ignore.
Well, in this context, that's not really the dichotomy. Rather, the dichotomy is between the ads in the menus, and yet-even-crappier customer service from TiVo, or perhaps TiVo taking Motorola's perspective and ceasing to service the mass-market any longer, providing their current subscribers gracious direction to new TiVo-powered devices available exclusively through their service providers.

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Also you believe that somehow advertisers will magically get suitably subtle.
Good point. The other dichotomy, here, is between more invasive advertising within and around programs, and a declining array of choices and declining quality of the choices available.

In both cases, there is a third option, wherein consumers, as a whole, actually motivate suppliers to charge them more in return for less advertising invasiveness. Consumers have shown no honest inclinations towards that alternative.

There is no free lunch. If you want to change things, make the country less capitalist/more socialist. However, don't expect me to support you in that venture.

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You know what shows do product placements well now - reality shows like American Idol or The Apprentice. How a serious drama like Law & Order or Lost or Fringe could do well with product placement without turning TV into a true wasteland is a little beyond me.
Well, the product placement of automobiles is not that difficult. If crybabies wouldn't whine so incessantly about it, I could see Chuck's Buy More being bought out by Best Buy (but they'd have to do away with the unprofessional, in-store antics), and Sarah's yogurt shop bought out perhaps by some national chain in that sector.

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so when they find the polar bear on lost the Polar bear is drinking a Coke?
Lost would be really difficult.
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You might not have all the information! tivo is very concerned with tivos customers feelings! And concerns!
people have been saying that since 2001 at least....
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There is a third type of consumer that follows your advise below
Yes, but so few, at this point, that they don't even register.

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This is a consumer who pays for HBO, Showtime and PPV.
Don't forget buying BDs. And none of that has advertising. Folks who really don't like advertising surely can avail themselves of all those opportunities. And recognize that there are so few people like them that that is why there aren't even more opportunities.

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Consumer who will buy Moxi or will switch to satellite to avoid TiVo ads.
No they won't.

In reality, neither statement is true, but by statement is more true than yours.

Folks just need to look at the market. Most mass-market consumers are cheap.

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Unfortunately, this consumer is in minority. Most people still believe that Wall Street can subsidise company like TiVo forever so they can keep losing other people money under presumption that one day they will make their shareholders rich.
That is indeed the misconception that too many people are under.

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I do not believe that TiVo is or will be making any substantial money by selling ads, but I do believe in voting with a pocket book. If you don't like extra ads, then switch.
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Just don't tell me that I have some kind of duty to watch commercials for the common good of the broadcast industry.
Yes, of course, as long as you acknowledge your lack of relevance (and therefore power), as a result of being reflective of the group of viewers who avoid commercials, and as long as you recognize that as a result the mass-market suppliers have no real incentive to provide you what you would rather have instead of what they're providing.

I fit very firmly into that group. And yes, I recognize my lack of relevance and power.
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...That is the reason most people went with tivo in the first place to avoid those annoying ads. ...
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I am not sure at all that the above statement is correct.

My humble opinion would be the majority of people bought DVR's to timeshift. Dumping ads is just a bonus to them. Getting the extra content delivery like netflix and all is another bonus. But most people bought the boxes I would think so they could watch what they want WHEN they want it. And then HOW they want it (sans commericals) would follow that.
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If TiVo Search is any indication of what an updated UI is going to look like then I think there are going to be ads in that top bar where they currently put pictures of related programs.

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actually I beleive I've seen ads up in that top bar already. Might have just been a dream though, but i'm pretty sure.
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Right and there will be more added soon. Samsung is do out soon, and Sony usually follows samsung , so Tivo better get there house in order.
em- sony already tried to make a cablecard dvr and bailed as it wasn't profitable. If I recall they were the FIRST to make one actually. Even before tivo was in the market segment
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I had a replay tv when it first came out and replay tv and tivos first ads were focused on skipping adds!
and didn't reply experiment with big fat Coca Cola ads during pause?
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I don't get that. You admit that "more about" is not intuitively placed, but you say that it's justified by giving greater exposure to Tivo Search. How does usage of Tivo Search directly benefit Tivo?
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selling amazon, netflix, jamon, and other addtional content.

also as above, i'm pretty sure i've seen ads for the showcase partners up top in the top bar.
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Why should we give you a break? And why should we give tivo a break? Why should there be an alternative? Find out who your customers are and what your customers want and give that to them for a mutually agreed upon price. As costs go up you may need to raise your prices but you should never change the product you sold in the first place with out renegotiating the price.
it's pretty clear that what the average consumer is willing to pay will not make tivo a profit and that is the problem.

they can stop all development to cut costs, raise the prices to actually cover their costs, loose a good portion of their subs and scare off most potential new subs and make a few cents a box on the deployed boxes they have and slowly watch the company die. OR they can try to find additional sources of revenue.

People complain about every additional attempt at new revenue they try.

they raise monthly prices- people complain
they get rid of lifetime - people complain
they add amazon purchasing - people complain
they add more ads- people complain
they ad a lifetime transfer fee- people complain
they try to sell viewing data- people complain.
they outsource customer service to save money- people complain
they cut back headcount to save money (resulting in less new features, slower response times to calls and emails, etc)- people complain
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get the picture?

they have to find the business model that makes them significantly more money without pissing off too many customers. So far they haven't found that.

personally I'd vote for any of the other things they have tried before ads. But still there's threads here complaining about each and every one of the other attempts.

If this is the straw that breaks the camel's back then by all means people should let tivo know and go by a moxi. To me it's not that point - YET.
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Actually, (ReplayTV and TiVo's first ads) were focused on skipping televised comercials. TiVo does not force you to click on any of the ad banners.
Exactly! And that's the essential difference between TiVo's ads and TV commercials.

Tivo would do well to reconsider some of its static ad displays but TiVo is still unsurpassed at allowing users to skip or minimize exposure to TV commercials. ReplayTV's Commercial Advance, controversial as it was, was never close to being foolproof and often screwed up, sometimes by automatically deleting part of an ongoing program but more often by displaying a sequence of commercials.
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em- sony already tried to make a cablecard dvr and bailed as it wasn't profitable. If I recall they were the FIRST to make one actually. Even before tivo was in the market segment
It wasnt profitable because it was a windows media center, its just cost to much. But if samsung does it, sony always follows. A media center pc is much different then a DVR.
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For some reason there's a Tivo fan club that likes to immediately put down anyone who says anything negative about Tivo; even if it ultimately might make Tivo better off in the long run by listening to these ever-growing complaints.

Tivo is great and I'm a huge fan but it doesn't make me any less of a fan to point out when Tivo makes what I feel to be mistakes. Obviously, you're entitled to disagree with me but these childish insults only further prove my point. I pay my Tivo bill just like anyone else. These ads, in my opinion of course, cheapen Tivo's image.

As far as cable companies inserting ads; you're forgetting that Tivo's primary function is to accomplish two things;

a. Record shows with the ability to watch them later

b. Avoid commercials (AKA Advertisements)

All of us purchased a Tivo because of these two most important features; or at least originally when Tivo was first released. Ironically, most of those who insult people who question these ads probably have the 30-second hack activated; not because they enjoy randomly skipping scenes in shows but because they want to avoid advertisements.

I personally purchased my Tivo to avoid ads and have no intention of ever clicking any ads displayed. Because of this we should be given the option to disable these ads. Perhaps even make it somewhat difficult to do so such as having to call Tivo and request it. This way Tivo can be certain those of us who request an ad free service would have never clicked any of these ads in the first place. (After all, if you're willing to call and request no ads the likelihood of you clicking any of the ads in the first place is slim-to-none.)

Anyhow, I respect others who disagree with me so please don't continue to belittle those of us who disagree with your POV.

Regardless of everything said above, I love my TivoHD and so far the ads haven't "crossed my line". Now if they start introducing popup ads in the middle of the screen during TV shows then I'll have to consider abandoning ship.

You just posted in a grownup and eloquent manner and so people will respect your opinions. And they will think about what you had to say. Thank you.

When others post in a hysterical and childish manner then people tend to respect them less. And things go down hill from there.
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so you would rather more product placement in the shows you are actually watching versus in menus you can actually ignore. Also you believe that somehow advertisers will magically get suitably subtle.

You know what shows do product placements well now - reality shows like American Idol or The Apprentice. How a serious drama like Law & Order or Lost or Fringe could do well with product placement without turning TV into a true wasteland is a little beyond me.

so when they find the polar bear on lost the Polar bear is drinking a Coke?. Perhaps Volkswagen paid good money to show off the beatup VW microbus on Lost.
actually they do it in all types of shows.

I remember the stir that got caused in lost when they first showed desmonds station and he had that fancy expensive pretty colored front loading washer and drier set. You dont think that was product placement? they couldn't find another way to let us know that there were modern ammenties availible? Maybe a cd player along side the record player? A dvd player alongside the training movies?

there's coke cans and whatnot all over the place in lots of shows.
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It wasnt profitable because it was a windows media center, its just cost to much. But if samsung does it, sony always follows. A media center pc is much different then a DVR.
wrong

http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-vide...-31155637.html

also for I belive LG tried too and also bailed.

and lets not forget that replay tv also tried and failed.

and moxi has been the next big thing for years now and finally just came out with an actuall product (hopefully they try to make a go at it).

Mitsubishi announced one in 2004- not sure if it ever came to be.
http://www.audioholics.com/news/pres...-dvr-announced

(also- interesting to note NONE of the others had the monthly fee to ensure some type of continued income)

so there was an option for people that just wanted to buy a box that is a dvr and never get any new features. But those didn't sell.

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Old 05-13-2009, 09:10 AM   #119
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Unfortunately, this consumer is in minority. Most people still believe that Wall Street can subsidise company like TiVo forever so they can keep losing other people money under presumption that one day they will make their shareholders rich.
I do not believe that TiVo is or will be making any substantial money by selling ads,
I think they are looking at making interactive ad technology another piece of their core business of selling software - TiVo seems to see the standalone DVRs as a way to showcase what they can do with interactive ads technology versus actually being an advertising conduit. clearly TiVo has given up throwing money at expanding the subscriber base in favor of what profitability it can gain now while still being able to develop software for DVRs and interactive ads. It is an odd dichotomy that I as a happy customer of their standalones find myself in.
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but I do believe in voting with a pocket book. If you don't like extra ads, then switch. If you can not afford to switch or are too cheap, then enjoy the extra ads - you have no choice. If ads don't bother you, then you are consumer of the first type and you get what was intended for you - be happy.
this is the point I never think is right. Why is it that I as a customer of TiVo DVRs have to be Naive to not be bothered by the ads. I know ads are a fact of life if capitalism is to be allowed to flourish, even if it becomes a hybrid socialist/capitalist system - advertising is the way to promote the sales of goods that someone produced with their own private capital. It is what keeps the consumer engine going. There are indeed ads that interest me that I want to see. Now I do not want to deal with 20 minutes of ads in an hour's time as likely all 20 minutes has no worth to me but is indeed designed solely to make my hand move over a few feet in the grocery store or Best Buy and buy the other item instead of what I got last time. From my perspective the naive are watching TV without a DVR and I thank them for sitting through the commercials. That wont continue forever however and I would rather a software company like TiVo look forward to the day advertisers no longer value 30 sec TV ads versus sitting around waiting for the backlash when that happens.

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Just don't tell me that I have some kind of duty to watch commercials for the common good of the broadcast industry. If technology allows me to skip them, I will. If free broadcast disappears, I'll pay for the quality programming (whatever it takes to produce something that I would like to watch).
yes you do have a duty to watch along with many others.... so that I do not and yet someone is still adding value to those commercials that I skip.

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Absolutely.

Yes, of course, as long as you acknowledge your lack of relevance (and therefore power), as a result of being reflective of the group of viewers who avoid commercials, and as long as you recognize that as a result the mass-market suppliers have no real incentive to provide you what you would rather have instead of what they're providing.

I fit very firmly into that group. And yes, I recognize my lack of relevance and power.
and this is the bottom line of the whole discussion for me. I have no power to stop advertising, the country is not going to listen to me and lrhorer as to why a system of responsible customer research before making buying decisions that is not funded by the producers of the goods would be better overall. Surely those loosing out to customer research would not just willingly give up without looking for some other means to persuade customers to use their product.

So ads will stay rooted in whatever medium is currently drawing the eyeballs. TiVo can ignore that and try and stay the consumer friendly DVR - but that play clearly did not work for replayTV and clearly was not dropping any new subscribers into TiVo incs. laps past the early years. Such a market runs dry as both Bicker and Samo point out. My favorite remark in these forums is the "I bought a TiVo with lifetime 6 years ago, why can't TiVo give me a new HD box for really cheap or free" while they completely ignore they have given TiVo no money at all in say 5 years.
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We all have different reasons why we bought TiVo in the first place. In my case I was so PO'd at trying to watch a Clint Eastwood movie back in 2001 I turned the TV off and went out, to Best Buy IIRC, and bought one within the hour. The station ran the opening credits then went to a batch of commercials, ran a little of the movie then went back to more commercials at 10 after the hour, again at 20 after the hour, and again at 30 minutes after. Can't recall if it was a local Dallas station or a cable one but I had never seen anything like that beforehand.

So yes, for me, avoiding the over commercialization was the initial reason. I soon learned to love the season passes, wishlist feature, etc.

Nowadays I find myself using my TiVos less and less, thanks to you guys teaching me about torrents. (A year ago I thought that only meant a lot of rain. )

I am seriously considering purchasing the eyeTV to use with my Macbook. It's not perfect and not for everyone but I think it and torrents will suffice for my personal viewing habits.

I wish TiVo would give me the option of no ads for say, 10 bucks a month more as I would gladly pay it. But they just don't seem interested in giving us a choice.
You can tell the growth of ads by looking at older shows from amazon or netflix....If you look at a show from the 1980s typically its 48 minutes without commercials...today an hour show is anywhere from 42-44 minutes. So they have increased the local national ad block by over 25%.
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