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Old 09-20-2014, 08:35 PM   #1
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12 Monkeys remake series on Sifi channel coming soon

I understand it will be out in January 2015 but this is episode remake based on the 12 Monkeys movie staring Bruce Willis and Brad Pitt.


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Old 09-21-2014, 12:30 AM   #2
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Cool beans. One of my favorites.
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Old 09-21-2014, 01:16 AM   #3
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Cool beans. One of my favorites.
OK, you're the perfect person to help me understand this. It's one of my favorites, too... which is exactly why I don't want to see it made into a series. The original was near-perfect, and it wouldn't make any sense as a series. But really, I feel that way about most of my faves, whether the original is a book, movie or TV show: I don't want them adapted, or remade.

But most people don't seem to feel that way. Any time a popular work gets adapted to a new medium, people get all excited for it. And then, nine times out of ten, those same people come back bitching about how the adaptation sucks. So, why the excitement? It's like people don't learn from history.

I realize this is an excessively negative attitude to take towards a show that hasn't even started yet. And I know that it could turn out to be a perfectly fine show, on its own terms. But that's the thing -- it will have to be on its own terms. Being an adaptation isn't a plus for it. Odds are, the people who will enjoy it the most will be people who've never seen the movie. Those who have seen the movie will judge the show against it.

There are, in fact, a lot of adaptations that I enjoy -- mostly because I don't know the originals. A show based on a series of books that I haven't read? Great, bring it on. A show based on my own favorite book series? I dread it.

Why doesn't everyone?

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Old 09-21-2014, 05:28 AM   #4
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Oddly enough, this is the one upcoming show that doesn't show up in the new TiVo advance SP search. Unless I'm doing something wrong...

Maybe it's (set) too far in the future?
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Old 09-21-2014, 01:08 PM   #5
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Oddly enough, this is the one upcoming show that doesn't show up in the new TiVo advance SP search. Unless I'm doing something wrong...
i couldn't find it, either, but since they don't start filming the pilot until november, maybe we're jumping the gun a little by trying to set a sp?
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Old 09-21-2014, 01:12 PM   #6
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i couldn't find it, either, but since they don't start filming the pilot until november, maybe we're jumping the gun a little by trying to set a sp?
Really? I thought they were advertising it for January...
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Really? I thought they were advertising it for January...
you're right, i missed the year on the article, they must have filmed it last november...so we're back to "why can't we set an sp?"...
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you're right, i missed the year on the article, they must have filmed it last november...so we're back to "why can't we set an sp?"...
It's the time travel, I tell ya...screws up EVERYTHING!
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Weird...Syfy/12 Monkeys says it's coming in January 2015 also.
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Old 09-21-2014, 07:00 PM   #10
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Back before the original came out I sat next to First Assistant Director Mark Egerton on a flight from Baltimore to LA. We had an interesting discussion about movie production and direction (he was also a producer on the movie). It was only later that I connected his name to the movie.

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Old 09-22-2014, 08:19 AM   #11
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OK, you're the perfect person to help me understand this. It's one of my favorites, too... which is exactly why I don't want to see it made into a series. The original was near-perfect, and it wouldn't make any sense as a series. But really, I feel that way about most of my faves, whether the original is a book, movie or TV show: I don't want them adapted, or remade.

But most people don't seem to feel that way. Any time a popular work gets adapted to a new medium, people get all excited for it. And then, nine times out of ten, those same people come back bitching about how the adaptation sucks. So, why the excitement? It's like people don't learn from history.

I realize this is an excessively negative attitude to take towards a show that hasn't even started yet. And I know that it could turn out to be a perfectly fine show, on its own terms. But that's the thing -- it will have to be on its own terms. Being an adaptation isn't a plus for it. Odds are, the people who will enjoy it the most will be people who've never seen the movie. Those who have seen the movie will judge the show against it.

There are, in fact, a lot of adaptations that I enjoy -- mostly because I don't know the originals. A show based on a series of books that I haven't read? Great, bring it on. A show based on my own favorite book series? I dread it.

Why doesn't everyone?

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I appreciate your sentiments. It's just not how I see the world. Perhaps I'm a glass half full guy? (Or perhaps I'm just used to some of the world sucking at times.)

Each one exists in its own world. No matter how bad this adaption is, it won't tarnish the movie. It's not this sacred thing that can't be revisited. The movie exists as an entity unto itself.

Also I welcome the attempt to explore some ground that I enjoyed. Who knows, it might actually be good. I do agree that there is probably less than a 20% chance that this will be the case, but I'm willing to roll the dice and take that chance because of the potential reward.
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I appreciate your sentiments. It's just not how I see the world. Perhaps I'm a glass half full guy? (Or perhaps I'm just used to some of the world sucking at times.)

Each one exists in its own world. No matter how bad this adaption is, it won't tarnish the movie. It's not this sacred thing that can't be revisited. The movie exists as an entity unto itself.

Also I welcome the attempt to explore some ground that I enjoyed. Who knows, it might actually be good. I do agree that there is probably less than a 20% chance that this will be the case, but I'm willing to roll the dice and take that chance because of the potential reward.
What he said.

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep was a great novel. Blade Runner was a great movie. I'm glad we have both. And if Blade Runner had sucked, we'd still have DADoES.
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What he said.

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep was a great novel. Blade Runner was a great movie. I'm glad we have both. And if Blade Runner had sucked, we'd still have DADoES.
I'd say that generally an adaptation of an excellent book has a much better chance of being real good than a remake of an excellent movie (whether the remake is another movie or a TV series). I can't think of many remakes of real good movies that were as good as the original, but there were more than a few not-quite-as-good-but-pretty-decent ones. For example (and this is restricting it only to relatively recent remakes of Swedish movies which were based on books) Let the Right One In/Let Me in and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo/The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.
For TV series, sometimes being based on a rather unremarkable movie (say Stargate) may be better than being based on a great film.
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I liked all versions of LA Cage aux Folles/ The Birdcage.
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Old 09-23-2014, 03:28 PM   #15
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Fargo was really good as a TV show, so this could be as well.
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Fargo was really good as a TV show, so this could be as well.
True. The series had little to do with the movie. Perhaps that's the recipe.
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For TV series, sometimes being based on a rather unremarkable movie (say Stargate) may be better than being based on a great film.
Ah, yes. I'd also offer Alien Nation.
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Ah, yes. I'd also offer Alien Nation.
Exceptions to the rule in your case?
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Exceptions to the rule in your case?
Nope. Good shows from mediocre movies. If those had been among my favorite movies, it'd be a different scenario.
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Was the original 12 Monkeys movie based on a book?

Was it very faithful to the book?

Maybe the book would lend itself to a series better than it did a movie.

Speaking of PKD (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep), the movie Total Recall was (rather loosely, I gather) based on one of his books, and did well enough that someone got to spend someone's money making a television series, Total Recall 2070, which I thought was pretty good, but was so different from the movie that you can't really compare them.

So maybe the 12 Monkeys TV series will be more of a reboot than a remake.
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12 Monkeys was based on an experimental French short film from 1962 called La Jetée.
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12 Monkeys was based on an experimental French short film from 1962 called La Jetée.
They've shown it a few times on TCM. It'll probably come on again. Fans should setup a wishlist for it.
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ABsoLUTEly - the film was great, SKYFRY Channel needs to go find some NEW material to massage into submission, instead of reworking perfectly good material that was already done well!

There are SO many good novels, shortstories and even graphic novels they could make a TV series or even miniseries from ... I recommend they do so!




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OK, you're the perfect person to help me understand this. It's one of my favorites, too... which is exactly why I don't want to see it made into a series. The original was near-perfect, and it wouldn't make any sense as a series. But really, I feel that way about most of my faves, whether the original is a book, movie or TV show: I don't want them adapted, or remade.

But most people don't seem to feel that way. Any time a popular work gets adapted to a new medium, people get all excited for it. And then, nine times out of ten, those same people come back bitching about how the adaptation sucks. So, why the excitement? It's like people don't learn from history.

I realize this is an excessively negative attitude to take towards a show that hasn't even started yet. And I know that it could turn out to be a perfectly fine show, on its own terms. But that's the thing -- it will have to be on its own terms. Being an adaptation isn't a plus for it. Odds are, the people who will enjoy it the most will be people who've never seen the movie. Those who have seen the movie will judge the show against it.

There are, in fact, a lot of adaptations that I enjoy -- mostly because I don't know the originals. A show based on a series of books that I haven't read? Great, bring it on. A show based on my own favorite book series? I dread it.

Why doesn't everyone?

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