The Biggest Loser OAD 3/31/09

IJustLikeTivo · 04-01-2009, 06:52 AM

Not a great episode for my money. Nicole has no personality and I'm really tired of hearing everything that comes out of Kristens mouth in the confessional. I know they think that it's great since she says outrageous stuff but mostly I hate hearing her.

It appears that gaining weight does kill immunity as was discussed earlier. I can't imagine how you could gain 5 lbs even by water loading.

Still tired of Filipe whining and then lying about it. "You're gonna be fine" was clearly a head fake. Man up boy. If you're gonna stab him in the back admit that you did it. Gonna be a tough week now that they revealed their plan and it didn't work. Placed a great big target on their backs.

What happened to Ron was unavoidable and a bit unfair but it would have still be sensible to send him home from a game play perspective. It's not clear how motivated mike will be once that happens. There was no way Ron was going to emerge from all that fluid intake and lack of exercise unscathed. Honestly, I was surprised it wasn't more.

sburnside1 · 04-01-2009, 08:31 AM

Everyone knew Ron would gain weight.

Nicole was probably flat due to so many people spamming her with so much information. She looked shell shocked most the time.

I was going for Tara this season, but was just disappointed at her choice at the end. She went on and on about how having someone else there to "finally challenge her". What a load. She dumped her the first chance she got. Besides, Tara has whined more then Filipe over the last 2 weeks.

Ali and Michelle looked good in the episode. I guess this was actually filmed just a few weeks after Michelle won? Ali Sweeney as about to pop during that finale.

jneugeba · 04-01-2009, 08:45 AM

I am just about done with this show. I have watched it from the very beginning, but it is so boring now. They never show the workouts and it is all just talk talk talk. I will hang on to the end (FF through most of it.)

If they were smart, they would have gotten rid of Ron. He is minuplating them all for his son to win. I think some of them finally started to catch on (how it took this long I'm not sure). Nicole wasn't that much of a threat anymore, she has lost most of the weight she will lose.

cl8855 · 04-01-2009, 09:28 AM

I think they did the right thing...Nicole was a HUGE threat to win it all...she started at 260 or whatever. She could easily have lost another 50 lbs with her frame and been at the key 50% loss mark.

Ron, despite how huge he was, is never going to lose 50% weight as he just can't exercise enough with his injuries.

As it is now, I think Kristin is a bigger threat than people realize. I think it's between Tara, Kristin and Sione.

IJustLikeTivo · 04-01-2009, 09:44 AM

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I think they did the right thing...Nicole was a HUGE threat to win it all...she started at 260 or whatever. She could easily have lost another 50 lbs with her frame and been at the key 50% loss mark.

Ron, despite how huge he was, is never going to lose 50% weight as he just can't exercise enough with his injuries.

As it is now, I think Kristin is a bigger threat than people realize. I think it's between Tara, Kristin and Sione.

Ron isn't the threat Mike is. But with Ron there, Mike can have someone to fight the battles while he stays above the fray.

Right now numerically, the leaders are Tara at 36%, Mike at 35% and Helen at 33%. Kristen and Sione are at 30% with Filipe at 29%, Laura at 26% and Ron at 25%. Ron's strategy to help his some by being the one who says hard things and keeps Mike from getting involved is pretty effective. Right now Mike is the feel good story and they all like him. He's a huge threat to everyone. Seems to me someone needs to get out a paper and pencil and do the numbers before voting.

JFriday · 04-01-2009, 10:05 AM

Nicole probably cut weight like a wreslter so she would win the opportunity to get back to the ranch. Then put that cut weight back on.

Butcher Girl · 04-01-2009, 10:44 AM

OK, so is it just me, or has Kristen (and possibly Tara, also) gained weight when she had immunity, and was like "Oh thank goodness I have immunity or else I would be below the yellow line..."?? Ali V. said on her blog that in Season 5, if you had immunity and gained weight, you lost your immunity. And now, it happened to Nicole...why the wishy-washy rules? Seems manipulative to me...

JLucPicard · 04-01-2009, 10:51 AM

I can't believe Ron has been up for elimination what - 5 or 6 times, and he's still there. Get rid of him already.

If this group is all about "who deserves to be here" like they seem to be, they should have let Nicole stick around. They apparently are making more decisions based on game-play now, so I can't really fault them as long as they're consistent.

And if Fillipe was half the man he tries to make himself out to be, he would state his case and not dodge it.

flyers088 · 04-01-2009, 12:46 PM

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OK, so is it just me, or has Kristen (and possibly Tara, also) gained weight when she had immunity, and was like "Oh thank goodness I have immunity or else I would be below the yellow line..."?? Ali V. said on her blog that in Season 5, if you had immunity and gained weight, you lost your immunity. And now, it happened to Nicole...why the wishy-washy rules? Seems manipulative to me...

There have only been 2 weight gains this season before last night. Only Kristin gained when she had immunity (not sure if they did not lose it since they were still weighing in as a team at the time). Tara came close but did not lose or gain the week she had immunity.

1. Kristin in week 6 gained 2 but Cathy lost 4.
2. Mandi in week 11 gained 2

vikingguy · 04-01-2009, 01:05 PM

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Nicole probably cut weight like a wreslter so she would win the opportunity to get back to the ranch. Then put that cut weight back on.

That is what I also thought. The sad thing for her is she did not need to go to such extremes to get back into the game.

flyers088 · 04-01-2009, 01:22 PM

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That is what I also thought. The sad thing for her is she did not need to go to such extremes to get back into the game.

I ended up with a sense that she had no desire to be there. She has been out of the game and doing great and to be thrown back into that with everyone playing the game 24/7 must have been overwhelming. I thought she was more relieved when it was over so now she could go back to getting her life in order and not have to worry about the crap of the game.

BTW when are people going to start calling out Bob for his training this season. Except for Laura, Jillian's team has been consistent all year and Bob's team has been bad. To take some one who lost 87 pounds on her own and have her gain 5 in one week with you does not speak well of your methods. They are all about getting beyond the excuses, so when is Bob going to stand up and admit he is not doing his best job this season with his group.

laria · 04-01-2009, 01:50 PM

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Ali and Michelle looked good in the episode. I guess this was actually filmed just a few weeks after Michelle won? Ali Sweeney as about to pop during that finale.

Yeah, about a month. Alison had her baby on 1/12/09, and the finale was 12/16/08.

bareyb · 04-01-2009, 05:35 PM

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Nicole probably cut weight like a wreslter so she would win the opportunity to get back to the ranch. Then put that cut weight back on.

Absolutely what we were thinking too. She looked totally dehydrated to me at the weigh in. I think she "cut" weight too. Probably sat in the Sauna for a few hours and didn't drink any fluids. MMA fighters drop 10 to 20 lbs in a couple of days using this method. Once she was on the ranch she couldn't do that any more. I think her strategy of basically "daring" the others to vote her off by claiming they'd be "liars" if they did was stupid. A perfect setup for Ron to do another one of his patented sob speeches.

I wish they'd make Ali the permanent host! I love her!!! It makes so much more sense to have a former winner do the hosting. I never understood their host choices on that show...

I agree with IJLT on Mike. He's flying under the radar, but that kid is losing some serious weight and he still has plenty left to go. Tara on the other hand, has less weight left to lose... They better start paying attention to Mike...

Butcher Girl · 04-01-2009, 05:43 PM

I loved Caroline Rhea when she was the host - loved her humor, she could diffuse tension easily, and seemed more natural at it than Ali Sweeney. But, since Ms. Rhea isn't returning, I would LOVE to see either Ali Vincent or Michelle take the place as host. I really like both of them, but it seems like Michelle would be the natural choice, due to her background in video production, plus she seemed less scripted/nervous than Ali in their appearance last night. Ali sure knows how to give a motivational speech, though!

Hard for me to choose, they are both fabulous ladies.

bareyb · 04-01-2009, 05:52 PM

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I loved Caroline Rhea when she was the host - loved her humor, she could diffuse tension easily, and seemed more natural at it than Ali Sweeney. But, since Ms. Rhea isn't returning, I would LOVE to see either Ali Vincent or Michelle take the place as host. I really like both of them, but it seems like Michelle would be the natural choice, due to her background in video production, plus she seemed less scripted/nervous than Ali in their appearance last night. Ali sure knows how to give a motivational speech, though!

Hard for me to choose, they are both fabulous ladies.

I couldn't stand Caroline Rhea and I never understood why they picked someone so obviously unhealthy to host this show. She smokes cigarettes, lives on fast food and booze, and is overweight. She NEVER exercises either. Why put her on a show about getting healthy? Maybe so the "before's" would feel at home? I was glad when she left the show. I don't care for the new host either. It's almost as if they didn't want to mess with the "formula" and went out of their way to find someone similar to Rhea. I like both previous winners last night, but prefer Ali. I'm sure she'd be less nervous after she did it a few times, but for me that was part of her charm last night.

bareyb · 04-01-2009, 07:10 PM

Oh I almost forgot! How about Ron's Ulcers? Yikes! He's kind of a walking advertisement to NOT get a Gastric Bypass. I never realized there were so many complications. Apparently he will now have to be on medication for it for the rest of his life. Kind of a bummer considering it really hasn't helped him at all. I still contend that Ron's bypass gives him a surgical advantage, but his bad knee and poor health seem to have balanced things out.

IJustLikeTivo · 04-01-2009, 07:36 PM

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I couldn't stand Caroline Rhea and I never understood why they picked someone so obviously unhealthy to host this show. She smokes cigarettes, lives on fast food and booze, and is overweight. She NEVER exercises either. Why put her on a show about getting healthy? Maybe so the "before's" would feel at home? I was glad when she left the show. I don't care for the new host either. It's almost as if they didn't want to mess with the "formula" and went out of their way to find someone similar to Rhea. I like both previous winners last night, but prefer Ali. I'm sure she'd be less nervous after she did it a few times, but for me that was part of her charm last night.

I don't really see Allison Sweeney as being like Caroline at all. Caroline was all about joking while Allison is about empathy. Also Allison is nowhere near as out of shape as Caroline and until she married and started to have kids three years ago was pretty normal in size. While I do agree that Michelle would be more familiar with the process, Ali seemed far more comfortable and has been doing nothing but motivational speaking for the last year.

4inziksych · 04-01-2009, 08:37 PM

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Nicole probably cut weight like a wreslter so she would win the opportunity to get back to the ranch. Then put that cut weight back on.

What does cut weight mean? I'm really having a hard time believing she could have lost an average of 7lbs a week by herself. Ok, I'm willing to sort of believe they can do that at the ranch, but I've never met one single human being who could do it at home on their own. It's more like 2bls, 3 lbs, plateau, 2, 3, plateau. I'm seriously beginning to think this show has to be faked (more time between weigh ins or something). But "cut" weight, maybe that explains it all.

bareyb · 04-01-2009, 08:40 PM

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I don't really see Allison Sweeney as being like Caroline at all. Caroline was all about joking while Allison is about empathy. Also Allison is nowhere near as out of shape as Caroline and until she married and started to have kids three years ago was pretty normal in size. While I do agree that Michelle would be more familiar with the process, Ali seemed far more comfortable and has been doing nothing but motivational speaking for the last year.

I just meant the same general look as Caroline Rhea. I agree they are very different people. I like Allison well enough, but Ali would really make sense. Michele did do a good job, but I don't think she'd pull ratings like Ali would.

4inziksych · 04-01-2009, 08:41 PM

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Absolutely what we were thinking too. She looked totally dehydrated to me at the weigh in. I think she "cut" weight too. Probably sat in the Sauna for a few hours and didn't drink any fluids. MMA fighters drop 10 to 20 lbs in a couple of days using this method. Once she was on the ranch she couldn't do that any more. I think her strategy of basically "daring" the others to vote her off by claiming they'd be "liars" if they did was stupid. A perfect setup for Ron to do another one of his patented sob speeches.

Ignore previous question! I still don't think that explains enough weight loss in that short time though.

IJustLikeTivo · 04-01-2009, 09:02 PM

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Ignore previous question! I still don't think that explains enough weight loss in that short time though.

If you are grossly overweight and have time to work out a lot, anyone can do what they do. It's not rocket science. If you weigh 300 lbs your BMR requires over 3000 calories a day to maintain weight. If you eat 1200 ( as the women do ) and add 4000 calories per day of exercise ( which they all do at the ranch) that gives you a daily deficit of 5800 calories per day. At that rate you'll lose 8-10 lbs per week. The main reason most people can't do that is lack of will and lack of time. The contestants exercise 6-8 hours per day and they do it nearly every day. They also get the very best medical advice on how hard they can or should work and get extensive monitoring.

With those advantages I'd be amazed if they didn't lose weight. What Nicole most likely did was completely dehydrate herself to lose an extra 10 lbs ( I did that in college to make weight for ROTC since my scholarship required I keep in a specific range ) but as soon as the weigh in was over and I drank a lot of water, the weight came right back. It does still means that she ligitimately lost over 70 lbs but in 12 weeks or so, that's much less amazing. We also don't know what her home conditions were. Recall that Sione lost 23 lbs his first week and 25 lbs at home in the next three by exercising and diet. It appears he did nothing but exercise at home. Some can't do that ( Aubrey ) and have little or no success at home.

laria · 04-01-2009, 09:06 PM

I'm guessing they picked Alison Sweeney to replace the other host because she had a pretty well publicized struggle with her weight in the 90's, and wrote a book about it. She was not really obese, but she was always quite a bit fluffier than all the other soap stars.

JFriday · 04-01-2009, 09:10 PM

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What does cut weight mean? I'm really having a hard time believing she could have lost an average of 7lbs a week by herself. Ok, I'm willing to sort of believe they can do that at the ranch, but I've never met one single human being who could do it at home on their own. It's more like 2bls, 3 lbs, plateau, 2, 3, plateau. I'm seriously beginning to think this show has to be faked (more time between weigh ins or something). But "cut" weight, maybe that explains it all.

Like it was said above, sweating off weight and dehydrating yourself, wrestlers, boxers and mma fighters do it to weigh in before matches.

mattack · 04-01-2009, 09:27 PM

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Nicole probably cut weight like a wreslter so she would win the opportunity to get back to the ranch. Then put that cut weight back on.

What does 'cut weight like a wreslter [sic, just kidding]' even mean?

laria · 04-01-2009, 09:36 PM

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What does 'cut weight like a wreslter [sic, just kidding]' even mean?

It's been explained like 3 times now in the thread.

mattack · 04-01-2009, 09:41 PM

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Oh I almost forgot! How about Ron's Ulcers? Yikes! He's kind of a walking advertisement to NOT get a Gastric Bypass. I never realized there were so many complications. Apparently he will now have to be on medication for it for the rest of his life.

Aren't you reading too much into it? Did they specifically say that the ulcers were CAUSED by the bypass? It was in an unused part of his intestine (IIRC??).. but I still don't think they specifically said it was caused by that. Plus, it was shown that most ulcers are caused by a bacteria.

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I loved Caroline Rhea when she was the host - loved her humor, she could diffuse tension easily, and seemed more natural at it than Ali Sweeney. But, since Ms. Rhea isn't returning,

I didn't really like Caroline a lot at the time, but I think Ali is really fake..

Did Caroline quit or was she fired? I presume the latter, kind of like how the guy who invented Last Comic Standing got fired from it..

mattack · 04-01-2009, 09:42 PM

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It's been explained like 3 times now in the thread.

Sorry, I really was going to delete the question before you replied!

(But IMHO, I still think that dehydration explanation does not explain the HUGE amount of weight loss she had.)

bareyb · 04-01-2009, 10:45 PM

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Aren't you reading too much into it? Did they specifically say that the ulcers were CAUSED by the bypass? It was in an unused part of his intestine (IIRC??).. but I still don't think they specifically said it was caused by that. Plus, it was shown that most ulcers are caused by a bacteria.

Not at all. In this instance, Ron clearly regrets his choice and Dr. Zunga (whatever it is) made it very clear that none of this would be happening, including the medication he must now take, if he hadn't had that Gastric Bypass. Besides the hideous scarring, it now appears to be causing very serious health issues on a regular basis. So no. Not overstating it at all. I'm just glad some of these horror stories are finally coming out so people stop thinking GB's are some kind of miracle cure. I Know you are very "Pro" bypass, but I'm not. I think it's an unnecessary step. You still end up having to diet anyway so why mutilate your body?

laria · 04-01-2009, 11:05 PM

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(But IMHO, I still think that dehydration explanation does not explain the HUGE amount of weight loss she had.)

No one is disputing that she lost an amazing amount of weight on her own. Only that she probably did a quick drop when she found out she was coming back to compete for a chance to get back in the house. She probably did the quick water weight loss for a few extra pounds because she thought she might need it to win, then gained some/most of it right back.

pendragn · 04-02-2009, 06:54 PM

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While I do agree that Michelle would be more familiar with the process, Ali seemed far more comfortable and has been doing nothing but motivational speaking for the last year.

When we were watching we got the opposite impression. Ali seemed stiff and uncomfortable. Michelle did better, but neither had the grace or presense that Allison did. I'm sure they'd both improve over time, but we were happy to see Allison back.

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