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02-03-2009, 01:47 AM
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Can someone tell me what a "socket" is? "24" NO Spoliers!
They seem to be obsessed with "sockets" on 24. Can someone explain what a socket is and why they are so important to national security.
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02-03-2009, 01:53 AM
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They are used to control the whatchamacallits, so they are pretty important.
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02-03-2009, 03:04 AM
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A socket is one end of a computer network connection.
It's not a physical thing; it's an abstraction/metaphor implemented in software.
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02-03-2009, 03:12 AM
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Why do they constantly need to open a new one? I know these questions sound dumb but they all sound kinda dumb using this word over and over for the past 7 years.
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02-03-2009, 03:22 AM
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Computers typically open a new socket whenever they need to download or upload some data. This includes every time you click a link to go to a new page in your Web browser, every time you send someone an IM, and every time you check your e-mail.
If you're running Windows, try the netstat command at a command prompt (cmd) to see a list of all the sockets your computer has open right this instant.
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02-03-2009, 06:31 AM
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Opening a socket makes more sense than refreshing a hard drive which is what cougar trap Kim had to do in an episode.
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02-03-2009, 06:34 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_socket
Of course only in 24 do end users "manually" open sockets, the rest of us use applications to open sockets for us. A web browser may open a dozen or more sockets just to open a web page.
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02-03-2009, 06:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wedgecon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_socket
Of course only in 24 do end users "manually" open sockets, the rest of us use applications to open sockets for us. A web browser may open a dozen or more sockets just to open a web page.
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I've always had the impression that 24's 'manual' opening of sockets is a security thing. Akin to opening up a port of a firewall. Still not accurate, but it works OK for the show, imo.
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02-03-2009, 06:49 AM
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I've always assumed that the "sockets" in 24 are not the same thing as a normal TCP/IP socket. They're some kind of super-secure computer connection; "creating" one apparently involves having special kinds of access (sometimes peoples' security clearance is lowered in 24, then they can't create sockets, or at least not all kinds of sockets, anymore).
To get more technical I've imagined that 24 sockets are something like a super-secure VPN connection which requires lots of passwords, etc. to set up.
Of course, really it's just some tech terminology that the folks on 24 made up.
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02-03-2009, 08:49 AM
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wow i just discovered i have over 2 dozen sockets open on my laptop...so does this mean chloe has access to my machine?
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02-03-2009, 09:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by newsposter
wow i just discovered i have over 2 dozen sockets open on my laptop...so does this mean chloe has access to my machine?
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Either that or someone has used a CIP device to disable the government firewall protecting the laptops of every American.
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02-03-2009, 09:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by newsposter
wow i just discovered i have over 2 dozen sockets open on my laptop...so does this mean chloe has access to my machine?
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No, it means....
You're the mole!
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02-03-2009, 09:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spire
Computers typically open a new socket whenever they need to download or upload some data. This includes every time you click a link to go to a new page in your Web browser, every time you send someone an IM, and every time you check your e-mail.
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In the abstract, your are always opening new connections. In real world implentation, however, applications go to some effort to keep open and reuse existing connections. The latencies involved in opening and 'spinning up' a new connection make it worth while for a web browser to open 4 or 8 connections at once to download all the component pieces of the of a web page.
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02-03-2009, 10:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmike
No, it means....
You're the mole!
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I disagree. Chloe has two tasks she needs to do, but can only do one at a time, so she needs clarification, okay?!?!
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02-03-2009, 10:30 AM
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yeah, it was kind of a boring episode last night!!
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02-03-2009, 10:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gchance
I disagree. Chloe has two tasks she needs to do, but can only do one at a time, so she needs clarification, okay?!?!
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Don't forget...She is also a stay at home mom. 
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02-03-2009, 10:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmike
No, it means....
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so if i open up my laptop, where will i see these sockets?
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02-03-2009, 10:59 AM
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Opening a socket is akin to setting up a perimeter. Neither one will last very long.
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02-03-2009, 11:17 AM
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It's true that, most of the time, we rely on apps to open their own sockets. But on 24, everyone seems to be a programmer, among their many other skills. And if they were using something like Python's interactive interpreter (surely there's no time for compiling/linking C!), they could actually open a socket manually, and have the interpreter sitting at the prompt waiting for the next command, while the socket was open.
But seriously, everything about computers (and, well, everything else) in 24 is ridiculous, really.
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02-03-2009, 11:43 AM
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Quote:
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Don't forget...She is also a stay at home mom. |
Stay at home MILF, you mean!
And her home is Bill's garage.
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02-03-2009, 12:04 PM
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I just assumed the socket is where Jack shoots you when he wants information from you.
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02-03-2009, 12:06 PM
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Great line....we roared when she said that.
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02-03-2009, 03:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by newsposter
wow i just discovered i have over 2 dozen sockets open on my laptop...so does this mean chloe has access to my machine?
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I have 861 sockets currently open on my work machine.
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02-03-2009, 05:31 PM
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oh i loved when she said 'i need you to open another socket' and now understand the reason for the thread.
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02-03-2009, 07:52 PM
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"Open a socket to the DOD mainframe" is a bit like saying "Go mix petrol and air to create a combustion to drive you to Montgomery Wards."
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02-03-2009, 10:22 PM
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"Open a socket to the DOD mainframe" is a bit like saying "Go mix petrol and air to create a combustion to drive you to Montgomery Wards."
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Time travel. Cool. 
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02-03-2009, 10:54 PM
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But the important thing from this week's episode is that she requested a "fresh" socket. Obviously, for some things, a day-old, worn-out socket is okay, but when the task is really critical, nothing but a fresh-from-the-bakery, shrink-wrap-still-on socket will do the trick. I'm just surprised they didn't need to initiate a protocol to go with the socket.
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02-04-2009, 12:29 AM
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But the important thing from this week's episode is that she requested a "fresh" socket. Obviously, for some things, a day-old, worn-out socket is okay, but when the task is really critical, nothing but a fresh-from-the-bakery, shrink-wrap-still-on socket will do the trick. I'm just surprised they didn't need to initiate a protocol to go with the socket.
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Which is especially funny because everyone knows that a socket needs to be broken in a bit before you can get top performance out of it.
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02-04-2009, 12:39 AM
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oh i loved when she said 'i need you to open another socket' and now understand the reason for the thread.
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If you listen closely, this is a pretty popular line since Day 1 I think. I know Chloe, Milo, Edgar, I think even Nina were all obsessed with sockets.
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Quote:
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In the abstract, your are always opening new connections. In real world implentation, however, applications go to some effort to keep open and reuse existing connections. The latencies involved in opening and 'spinning up' a new connection make it worth while for a web browser to open 4 or 8 connections at once to download all the component pieces of the of a web page.
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Yes, I know. (I'm a software developer, and I deal with this stuff every day.) I was just trying to simplify the explanation a bit.
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