Heroes OAD 11/17

[Ekims]

Nothing really to add here except this is the first time I have ever seen SOAK outside of TCF...

[allietx]

Can anyone tell me what happened in the very last moment tonight (11/17)? For some reason the recording stopped a moment too soon. We saw

Spoiler:

Arthur Petrelli do the milky-eyed-artist-seer thing, but the recording stopped before we saw what he drew. Was it simply another image of the coming eclipse?

-Allie

[Rob Helmerichs]

I also loved the slap-down of stuff that's been going on at Marvel recently (some of which Heroes producer Jeph Loeb is responsible for)!

I guess I'll never be one of the cool kids--story of my life--but I've really been enjoying this season, and the past couple of episodes have been as good as the show has ever been.

[Turtleboy]

Oh, I agree that the past few episodes have been great.

The first couple of the season? Not so much.

[spikedavis]

What a great episode! This was season one quality! I love the "teams" coming together...

[Peter000]

i think if you were to watch all of the eps back-to-back the beginning of the season would have been much better. I still have enjoyed the whole season MUCH more than any of season 2.

Tonight's ep was excellent. But it bugs me how Hiro is always separated from the rest of the cast for the most part. He always has these tangential "cute" storylines that are okay, but I'd wish they'd intertwine into the main plot better.

[vikingguy]

I have mixed feelings about the episode. I think the show has gotten better but this episode had a few steps back wards. The whole hiro being 10 is just plain stupid and a waste of time. Also I hated the sylar and elle getting together. On minute she is pissed sylar killed her father the next she forgets and is ready to nail him. Also the parkman Daphne story line was way rushed. She has known him for like 48 hours and she loves him based on some possible future that she did not even see.

I like where things are going just a few things were just terrible this week.

[dianebrat]

Originally Posted by vikingguy

I have mixed feelings about the episode. ... Also I hated the sylar and elle getting together. On minute she is pissed sylar killed her father the next she forgets and is ready to nail him.

I think the key here is that he was "able to make the pain go away" and that's huge, he stopped her pain, and didn't remove her powers or kill her, that's big in his trek to humanity.

I can certainly see that changing her views.. he's no longer a monster that just kills.

Diane

[allan]

It was good to see Peter use his brains for once when he rescued Claire.

[classicX]

It makes sense that Claire would have the catalyst in her blood - they knew her ability and it it only logical to put it in a host with the greatest chance of survival for many (even hundreds of) years.

The questions are: is HRG going to get powers at the next eclipse, since he was injected with her blood?

Will Peter get his powers back at the eclipse, or find some reason to get injected with Claire's blood too?

I also got cut off at the end - when Mohinder had started narrating again - didn't see Arthur painting anything. What did I miss?

Oh, and Arthur's accent is slightly annoying.

[allan]

Originally Posted by classicX

It makes sense that Claire would have the catalyst in her blood - they knew her ability and it it only logical to put it in a host with the greatest chance of survival for many (even hundreds of) years.

The questions are: is HRG going to get powers at the next eclipse, since he was injected with her blood?

Will Peter get his powers back at the eclipse, or find some reason to get injected with Claire's blood too?

I also got cut off at the end - when Mohinder had started narrating again - didn't see Arthur painting anything. What did I miss?

Oh, and Arthur's accent is slightly annoying.

And, what about people who already have powers, like Maya, another Claire-blood recipient?

[Magister]

So do Sylar and Elle think they are on the bad guys team?

I think reason that Hiro can't be with the other heros is that he would be too over the top powerful if combined with others. Imagine if they could team up and actually plan using his powers. No way to combat them. So to keep him in the story, he has to be handicapped with his cuteness or now his youth...

[Rob Helmerichs]

Originally Posted by Magister

So do Sylar and Elle think they are on the bad guys team?

I think they think they're on the good guys' team. Arthur has "saved" them both from their villainous impulses. It will be interesting to see how they react when they find out they're part of a plan to, y'know, destroy the world and stuff.

[bobcarn]

Originally Posted by Rob Helmerichs

I think they think they're on the good guys' team. Arthur has "saved" them both from their villainous impulses. It will be interesting to see how they react when they find out they're part of a plan to, y'know, destroy the world and stuff.

I think Sylar is still sided with Mama Petrelli. I think he's just playing along with dad to find out more.

There was some good action this episode. I liked where Peter used his brains to overcome the two villains in the sewers. Gabriel and El had a nice scene too (though I still find it hard to swallow Gabriel turning into a good guy in two or three days of show time.

What I disliked is that the show is all over the place. The writers are implementing anything at all that comes to mind. Hiro's memory is now regressed to being 10 years old? It's unnecessary and cheap.

I do like that it looks like speed-girl is now rooted firmly with the "good guys", if you can ever consider a side that has Mama Petrelli "good".

[bobcarn]

Originally Posted by allietx

Can anyone tell me what happened in the very last moment tonight (11/17)? For some reason the recording stopped a moment too soon. We saw

Spoiler:

Arthur Petrelli do the milky-eyed-artist-seer thing, but the recording stopped before we saw what he drew. Was it simply another image of the coming eclipse?

-Allie

It wasn't anything that wasn't hinted at during the whole episode. He drew an eclipse and said "It's coming". I'll tag what the previews for next week showed, since it's not an aired episode yet.

Spoiler:

The previews show that during the eclipse, all the heroes lose their powers and become normal humans again. "A world without Heroes". I think they take great artistic license with the word "hero" though since you can probably count true examples of heroism on the show on one hand.

[catcard]

I wonder if putting Gabriel and Elle together is a possible experiment in seeing if offspring are born with abilities.

Matt and Daphne had a baby in the future - wonder if their baby has abilities?

[unicorngoddess]

I really enjoyed the episode. Yeah, for those that got cut off at the end, Athur drew an eclipse. So I wonder though...is he the one drawing the 9th Wonders comics now or what? I have a hard time believing Afric Mr. Isaac was doing it. And why would they keep constantly publishing comics with the same storyline: A comic book can't tell the future. Oh yeah? Then explain this." Character then turns to page where other character just claimed that a comic book can't tell the future.

So, will the eclipse re-activate all the powers that Arthur had previously stolen???

[morac]

Originally Posted by spikedavis

What a great episode! This was season one quality! I love the "teams" coming together...

We must have watched different episodes, since I thought last night's episode was pretty bland. It was markedly worse than the prior few episodes. So much so that I seriously considered canceling my SP. I talked to someone else about it at work and said basically said the same thing.

The show seems to just be wandering aimlessly with no destination. The first season was all about saving the Cheerleader. The second season was about stopping the virus. This season is supposed to be about preventing the world from being destroyed, but there is no objective to prevent that from happening. We basically now have two factions who both consider themselves "good" and both want to save the world but their is no goal to achieve to do so.


A few more thoughts about last night's episode:

So Hiro now thinks he's 10. At least now he has a reason to act the way he's been acting all season. I still don't know why Arthur took his memories (how'd he get the Haitian's power?) instead of taking his powers. The only thing I can think of is that since he already had Hiro's powers (from Peter), maybe he couldn't take them again, but that's kind of a lame excuse.

When they mentioned a catalyst I thought maybe some kind of radiation emitting from the eclipse would be the catalyst since the eclipse is what gave them their powers. Instead they made Claire the catalyst. It doesn't really work as well.

Gabriel has now basically turned into Oprah.

[unicorngoddess]

Also, what exactly made Hiro regress to a 10-year-old. Did I miss that? Did Arthur do it and why didn't Arthur get his power...it seemed like he had plenty of time to snag it.

And is Sylar now able to copy powers without slicing open the brain?

I saw a segment on Attack of the Show last night and they were talking about how much Heroes has gone south since season 1. They were talking abou the cuts Heroes has made and how they need to cut Ali Larter because the actress has now had at least 3 different characters and no one seems to like ANY of them.

[GameGuru]

Originally Posted by dianebrat

I think the key here is that he was "able to make the pain go away" and that's huge, he stopped her pain, and didn't remove her powers or kill her, that's big in his trek to humanity.

I can certainly see that changing her views.. he's no longer a monster that just kills.

Diane

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[allan]

Originally Posted by morac

So Hiro now thinks he's 10. At least now he has a reason to act the way he's been acting all season. I still don't know why Arthur took his memories (how'd he get the Haitian's power?) instead of taking his powers. The only thing I can think of is that since he already had Hiro's powers (from Peter), maybe he couldn't take them again, but that's kind of a lame excuse.

I ASSume that Arthur used Maury Parkman's powers to zap Hiro's mind. It seems to me that Arthur could have taken Hiro's power. After all, he stole Peter's healing, even though he already had Adam's. If I had been in his shoes, I WOULD have stolen Hiro's powers instead of his mind, since the former is clearly more valuable. But, I guess there is some sort of super-villain reason for Arthur's actions.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Originally Posted by allan

I ASSume that Arthur used Maury Parkman's powers to zap Hiro's mind.

It seemed like the Haitian's power. Didn't Peter have that one?

[unicorngoddess]

I don't think Peter can get the Hatian's power since the Hatian would block Peter's original power to absorb the Hatian's power to begin with.

[allan]

Originally Posted by Rob Helmerichs

It seemed like the Haitian's power. Didn't Peter have that one?

AFAIK, Peter's power's have always been blocked when he was close enough to absorb the Haitian's power.

Edit: Great minds think alike.

[nirisahn]

Arthur has had the ability to erase memory for a while. He did that to Angela in the past. When Linderman restored her memory by healing her brain, she remembered that Arthur wanted to kill Nathan and so she poisened him.

He must have erased enough of Hiro's memory that he thinks he's 10 years old.

[That Don Guy]

Originally Posted by Rob Helmerichs

I also loved the slap-down of stuff that's been going on at Marvel recently (some of which Heroes producer Jeph Loeb is responsible for)!

I was surprised that Marvel Comics received a "Promotional Consideration Paid For" credit.

-- Don

[smak]

I thought it was a good episode, but my one problem was that they built up the ending to make it seem like Claire being the catalyst was a big reveal, when I pretty much feel that most people figured it out the second it was mentioned.

I also agree that they have to throw Hiro around time, and do goofy things to him, because in a direct conflict with the bad guys, he'd be too powerful.

I also noticed that this episode was written solely by Tim Kring.

-smak-=

[unicorngoddess]

Originally Posted by smak

I thought it was a good episode, but my one problem was that they built up the ending to make it seem like Claire being the catalyst was a big reveal, when I pretty much feel that most people figured it out the second it was mentioned.

I didn't figure it out.

I thought it was Hiro...I figured Mr. Nakamora hid the catalyst in his own son.

[rgr]

Originally Posted by vikingguy

Also the parkman Daphne story line was way rushed. She has known him for like 48 hours and she loves him based on some possible future that she did not even see.

Well, she is a fast woman. I wonder if she thinks as fast as she runs. She'd almost have to, otherwise her reaction time would be the same as all of us slowpokes.

[rgr]

Originally Posted by morac

We basically now have two factions who both consider themselves "good" and both want to save the world but their is no goal to achieve to do so.

I disagree.

One faction (Papa Petrelli's) is trying to assemble a formula that gives normals powers. That faction thinks this will save the world by distributing the powers to everyone, preventing a small group from taking over the world.

The other faction (Mama Petrelli's) is trying to prevent the completion of the formula because she (and Peter) have seen a future where the widespread use of powers destroys the world.