HR20 Replaced HR10 Today--Where are the Demons?

[boneskrw]

Direct TV installed the 5LNB dish and HR20 to replace my trusty HR10 today.

First Impressions (things that I like):

RF remote is great--no need to aim remote at DVR
Jack to add external off the shelf hard drive-no hacking
Audio output jacks for both optical and coax--was running out of optical jacks on my Pioneer receiver.
Navigating the guide is much quicker than the HR10
Guide can be advanced 12 hours with one keystroke
Remote operates my HD DVD player, too
Initiating a recording is faster than the HR10
I get a whole ****house of HD channels I didn't get before

First Impressions (what I don't like)
Blue light on front panel was too bright--but it can be dimmed or turned off with front panel controls

[JohnB1000]

I'm a fan of my two HR20's The only thing I REALLY miss is the TIVO style grid guide. You can simulate it with the "Move all the way to left, press INFO" option but it's not the same.

[gio1269]

Originally Posted by boneskrw

Direct TV installed the 5LNB dish and HR20 to replace my trusty HR10 today.

First Impressions (things that I like):

RF remote is great--no need to aim remote at DVR
Jack to add external off the shelf hard drive-no hacking
Audio output jacks for both optical and coax--was running out of optical jacks on my Pioneer receiver.
Navigating the guide is much quicker than the HR10
Guide can be advanced 12 hours with one keystroke
Remote operates my HD DVD player, too
Initiating a recording is faster than the HR10
I get a whole ****house of HD channels I didn't get before

First Impressions (what I don't like)
Blue light on front panel was too bright--but it can be dimmed or turned off with front panel controls

Well come to the HR20 Army. You must have drank a lot off Kool-Aid to be that happy on the first day!


Enjoy it. It's not Tivo, but a very, very nice DVR and some feel it's better.

[rickmeoff]

Originally Posted by gio1269

Well come to the HR20 Army. You must have drank a lor off Koo-Aid to be that happy on the first day!

a lor of koo-aid (sic) indeed.

the hr20 is a decent machine, and for those of us that have become accustomed to the ui of tivo it doesnt seem real intuitive, but you get used to it pretty quickly.

my mom and dad........who are in their late 70s...... have had tivo for years, and id -never- get this unit for them as theyd be thoroughly confused with it. but hey, tivo still confuses them sometimes, lol.

are there some bugs? yes. it misses recordings (actually says it has recorded them, but it just asks you if you 'want to delete' and theres nothing there to watch) more frequently than my tivo ever did, but whaddaya gonna do?

would i prefer a tivo-based unit? yup. but we have more hd channels than we know what to do with and this is the only horse in the race. and its pretty darn good.

[old7]

Originally Posted by boneskrw

Blue light on front panel was too bright--but it can be dimmed or turned off with front panel controls

To dim or turn off the blue lights: on the panel, press both the right and left buttons at the same time. Each press will dim the lights more, 4th press will turn off the lights, 5th will bring the lights back on at the brightest setting. When the DVR reboots the lights will be back on the brightest setting.

[hiker]

Has anyone figured out how to navigate in the live buffer or recorded program?
Skip to tick?
Skip to beginning or end?
Skip to live TV?
The 30 sec slip sucks, but I understand a future update will give a 30 sec skip option?

[TonyD79]

Originally Posted by hiker

Has anyone figured out how to navigate in the live buffer or recorded program?
Skip to tick?

Press and hold FF or REW. On many universal remotes, it is press/hold then hit one more time. Many of us at dbstalk are trying to get all press and hold functions eliminated.

Originally Posted by hiker

Skip to beginning or end?

Press and hold 30 second slip or jump back

Originally Posted by hiker

Skip to live TV?

Press and hold 30 second slip when in buffer

Originally Posted by hiker

The 30 sec slip sucks, but I understand a future update will give a 30 sec skip option?

The next national release may have 30 second skip. I thought I would hate the slip but I don't. After using it, I actually prefer it because I can see where I want to be. Skipping just drops you in somewhere.

BTW, my HR10 buffer controls are a bit clunky compared to my Series 2 DirecTivo. I figured that was the HD as they were good on SD. Now I have a brand spanking new HD Tivo and the controls are not as quick or reliable as the HR20s have become. They have been tweaking them quite a lot. Tivo needs to do the same. Nowhere near as good as my old Tivos controls.

[hiker]

Originally Posted by TonyD79

Press and hold FF or REW. On many universal remotes, it is press/hold then hit one more time. Many of us at dbstalk are trying to get all press and hold functions eliminated.

Press and hold 30 second slip or jump back

Press and hold 30 second slip when in buffer

The next national release may have 30 second skip. I thought I would hate the slip but I don't. After using it, I actually prefer it because I can see where I want to be. Skipping just drops you in somewhere.

BTW, my HR10 buffer controls are a bit clunky compared to my Series 2 DirecTivo. I figured that was the HD as they were good on SD. Now I have a brand spanking new HD Tivo and the controls are not as quick or reliable as the HR20s have become. They have been tweaking them quite a lot. Tivo needs to do the same. Nowhere near as good as my old Tivos controls.

Well, that explains why I'm having such a problem... I use a MX-3000 universal remote and the IR commands do not repeat when the button is held. Useless for these HR20 commands.

Hmmm... "new HD Tivo and the controls are not as quick or reliable". My S2, S3 and HR10 controls all work well.

[TonyD79]

Originally Posted by hiker

Well, that explains why I'm having such a problem... I use a MX-3000 universal remote and the IR commands do not repeat when the button is held. Useless for these HR20 commands.

Hmmm... "new HD Tivo and the controls are not as quick or reliable". My S2, S3 and HR10 controls all work well.

Mine are a bit sticky, especially on HD. The improvements they have made (I am a CE tester) on the HR20 make the controls very smooth. There is a slight pause when backing up in live TV the first time as you go from live to the buffer. Tivo is always buffered, so there is no transition. But I even resorted to turning the boop-boop noises off on my HR10 as it made it more responsive. I see big lag times no my HD Tivo. That box seems to strain to do things.

As for your remote. Try to press/hold/press sequence. It is not about the repeating so much as something to do with the timing of the instructions in the box itself. I hadn't heard anyone having it not work.

1. Press and hold button for 3 to 5 seconds
2. Release button
3. Press once more

The only one I have trouble with is skip to end. The rest work.

[LlamaLarry]

I'll give your Press and Hold tips a shot tonight Tony; I was not able to get them working on my first try on my 880, but I doubt I did it the way you listed.

[PRMan]

I have a URC-200 remote, and I have the opposite problem. I press slip a couple times during a football game (especially live watching a little behind) and it skips to the end, ruining the game.

Putting both on the same button with a hold is the stupidest idea ever. Why not have one of the color buttons bring up a small menu where you could do rare things like skip to the beginning or end?

[MikeMar]

Originally Posted by LlamaLarry

I'll give your Press and Hold tips a shot tonight Tony; I was not able to get them working on my first try on my 880, but I doubt I did it the way you listed.

I have a 880, can't get it to do the hold button thing, so can't do the skip things which is a pain to do long ff'ing

oh well

[newsposter]

bones you asked for the demons so try this: enter all your series links right now. then go back thru the guide and pick out some other shows you may want to watch and manually record them.

in a day or so, if you check your todo list you will see they 'may' be conflicts. You will not see conflicts until a day or so when the HR20 'catches up' and knows what all you want to record. The HR20 is lightning fast for a reason you know, it gets rid of tivos 'please wait' screen!

Just a warning to a new hr20 owner. I was thrilled at the speed until i learned the price i paid.

oh and also if you make a manual recording it will OVERRIDE even your number 1 and 2 series links. Be forewarned.

[badmonkey]

Originally Posted by newsposter

bones you asked for the demons so try this: enter all your series links right now. then go back thru the guide and pick out some other shows you may want to watch and manually record them.

in a day or so, if you check your todo list you will see they 'may' be conflicts. You will not see conflicts until a day or so when the HR20 'catches up' and knows what all you want to record. The HR20 is lightning fast for a reason you know, it gets rid of tivos 'please wait' screen!

Just a warning to a new hr20 owner. I was thrilled at the speed until i learned the price i paid.

oh and also if you make a manual recording it will OVERRIDE even your number 1 and 2 series links. Be forewarned.

I've never seen it take a 'day or so' to catch up. The longest I've seen is 2 hours.

[jimb726]

Originally Posted by newsposter

bones you asked for the demons so try this: enter all your series links right now. then go back thru the guide and pick out some other shows you may want to watch and manually record them.

in a day or so, if you check your todo list you will see they 'may' be conflicts. You will not see conflicts until a day or so when the HR20 'catches up' and knows what all you want to record. The HR20 is lightning fast for a reason you know, it gets rid of tivos 'please wait' screen!

Just a warning to a new hr20 owner. I was thrilled at the speed until i learned the price i paid.

oh and also if you make a manual recording it will OVERRIDE even your number 1 and 2 series links. Be forewarned.

Why wouldnt a manual recording override everything else? I would assume the same thing, if you are manually recording something you want it recorded.

The only time it should take that long to update your to do list is if you had recently had a reboot or restart and the guide data was not fully populated. Otherwise I have never had it take longer than a couple hours and usually its as fast as I can change to the to do list.

[Sir_winealot]

Originally Posted by jimb726

Why wouldnt a manual recording override everything else? I would assume the same thing, if you are manually recording something you want it recorded.

The only time it should take that long to update your to do list is if you had recently had a reboot or restart and the guide data was not fully populated. Otherwise I have never had it take longer than a couple hours and usually its as fast as I can change to the to do list.

I think what he's saying is that if you set up a manual recording ...and it conflicts with something else....unlike the HR10 which will tell you immediately that there is a conflict, you won't find this out on the HR20 until it may be too late to do anything about it.

[HoldenBanky]

Originally Posted by newsposter

bones you asked for the demons so try this: enter all your series links right now. then go back thru the guide and pick out some other shows you may want to watch and manually record them.

in a day or so, if you check your todo list you will see they 'may' be conflicts. You will not see conflicts until a day or so when the HR20 'catches up' and knows what all you want to record. The HR20 is lightning fast for a reason you know, it gets rid of tivos 'please wait' screen!

Just a warning to a new hr20 owner. I was thrilled at the speed until i learned the price i paid.

oh and also if you make a manual recording it will OVERRIDE even your number 1 and 2 series links. Be forewarned.

I have tried to record something manually and got a conflict screen right away. The prioritizer does take about a day to get it together when you first input your series links, but after that time it should work just fine, unless the box is rebooted and it starts again.

[bigpuma]

Originally Posted by Sir_winealot

I think what he's saying is that if you set up a manual recording ...and it conflicts with something else....unlike the HR10 which will tell you immediately that there is a conflict, you won't find this out on the HR20 until it may be too late to do anything about it.

But that is only if the HR20 hasn't "caught up" which as was pointed out should take no longer than a couple of hours. So yes if you set up a manual recording within that time it may not "see" the conflict and warn you about it. Otherwise it acts like the HR10 and warns you about conflicts. It also has the added benefit of giving you a choice of what to stop recording unlike the HR10 that would only give you your lower priority number.

[Indiana627]

Originally Posted by newsposter

bones you asked for the demons so try this: enter all your series links right now. then go back thru the guide and pick out some other shows you may want to watch and manually record them.

in a day or so, if you check your todo list you will see they 'may' be conflicts. You will not see conflicts until a day or so when the HR20 'catches up' and knows what all you want to record. The HR20 is lightning fast for a reason you know, it gets rid of tivos 'please wait' screen!

Just a warning to a new hr20 owner. I was thrilled at the speed until i learned the price i paid.

oh and also if you make a manual recording it will OVERRIDE even your number 1 and 2 series links. Be forewarned.

I get a pop up that says 2 shows are already scheduled to record and lists each as line 1 and line 2. For me to record my newly requested show, I must select either cancel 1 or cancel 2. It lets me know immediately that there is a conflict, not hours or days later.

And I've never had a manual recording override any series links.

[newsposter]

my 1st use of multiquote, thanks jeff

Originally Posted by badmonkey

I've never seen it take a 'day or so' to catch up. The longest I've seen is 2 hours.

Not to be a smart^^^ but Id rather know in 2 minutes, not 2 hours if i have a conflict so i can do another recording here and now. Though technically i do admit we are both babysitting, just me now and you later.

Originally Posted by jimb726

Why wouldnt a manual recording override everything else? I would assume the same thing, if you are manually recording something you want it recorded.

see i would assume that my #1 and #2 passes are the absolute things i want. period. And for something to override them without immediate notification is just plain inefficient. And yes, it is possible to forget about your top shows and if they are on this week or not etc.

Originally Posted by Sir_winealot

I think what he's saying is that if you set up a manual recording ...and it conflicts with something else....unlike the HR10 which will tell you immediately that there is a conflict, you won't find this out on the HR20 until it may be too late to do anything about it.

YES this is my point and is entirely related to the thread title (i admit i wasn't too clear initially). The OP 'just got' his new unit and (i may be assuming here) wanted to load up the HR20 right away to get into all this great HD. That's what i did. Then i found out the bummer about the delay in the machine and delay in conflict notification and wanted to warn him of the demons he spoke of. I Learned that lesson the hard way too.

Originally Posted by HoldenBanky

I have tried to record something manually and got a conflict screen right away. The prioritizer does take about a day to get it together when you first input your series links

it's great if all is indexed and done and you then want to add something, i agree.

Originally Posted by bigpuma

It also has the added benefit of giving you a choice of what to stop recording unlike the HR10 that would only give you your lower priority number.

glad you brought up that we have a choice on a fully processed machine. That's a fantastic feature.

Originally Posted by Indiana627

And I've never had a manual recording override any series links.

it is designed to work this way so you just got lucky with no conflicts
http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?...4&postcount=44

[bigpuma]

Originally Posted by newsposter

Not to be a smart^^^ but Id rather know in 2 minutes, not 2 hours if i have a conflict so i can do another recording here and now.
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But that's how it works the majority of the time. The only time it doesn't work that way is if you set up series links and then set up a manual recording within a few hours. It may not see the series link yet because it does it in the background unlike the HR10 that would make you wait while it found the upcoming shows and found conflicts. How often does this even happen? I don't believe I have had this problem before. Personally I will take the speed of the HR20 vs. the small risk of missing a recording because of this scenario but YMMV.

[Mark Lopez]

Originally Posted by Sir_winealot

I think what he's saying is that if you set up a manual recording ...and it conflicts with something else....unlike the HR10 which will tell you immediately that there is a conflict, you won't find this out on the HR20 until it may be too late to do anything about it.

Well, at least on the HR20 when there is a regular conflict, it not only tells you both conflicts, but gives you the option of which to over-ride. Unlike the HR10 which you needed to back out to find out what the other conflict was and had no real choice in matters other than over-riding the lower priority one. That was one of my biggest gripes about the so called 'superior' Tivo.

[road3682]

Point me toward the right forum if this is not the correct one/

With an XP computer can you download software to use the picture and music from your computer??
Also is there any way to transfer programs to your computer ?

Thanks
Buddy

[JimSpence]

Originally Posted by MikeMar

I have a 880, can't get it to do the hold button thing, so can't do the skip things which is a pain to do long ff'ing

oh well

I also have the 880, and the jump to tick does work, albeit clumsily. Press and hold the FF button for at least 4 seconds, then release and immediately press it again. This seems to forward to the next tick mark. It is really a stupid method. Anyone know the exact method to get this thing into slow motion?

[Sir_winealot]

Originally Posted by Mark Lopez

Well, at least on the HR20 when there is a regular conflict, it not only tells you both conflicts, but gives you the option of which to over-ride. Unlike the HR10 which you needed to back out to find out what the other conflict was and had no real choice in matters other than over-riding the lower priority one. That was one of my biggest gripes about the so called 'superior' Tivo.

You completely missed the point.

[Mark Lopez]

Originally Posted by Sir_winealot

You completely missed the point.

What, that the HR20 does a better job of conflict resolution the majority of the times?

Or that once again the Tivo lemmings will use any excuse to bash the HR20 even when their beloved Tivo does a worse job with the same function?

[Sir_winealot]

Originally Posted by Mark Lopez

What, that the HR20 does a better job of conflict resolution the majority of the times?

Or that once again the Tivo lemmings will use any excuse to bash the HR20 even when their beloved Tivo does a worse job with the same function?

Nice cover.

But you still missed the point.

[Mark Lopez]

Originally Posted by Sir_winealot

Nice cover.

But you still missed the point.

Ok, then please enlighten me to just what the point is?

[daperlman]

Originally Posted by Mark Lopez

What, that the HR20 does a better job of conflict resolution the majority of the times?

Or that once again the Tivo lemmings will use any excuse to bash the HR20 even when their beloved Tivo does a worse job with the same function?

No way...
The HR20 has a way to handle it sure... but it is terrible about finding the same ep (when it is on again). More times than not if a recording is cancelled the HR20 forgets you ever wanted it (even with a repeat recording) which is piss poor.
Then again the absence of complexity makes the HR20 much faster when scheduling and shifting recordings.

[Mark Lopez]

Originally Posted by daperlman

No way...
The HR20 has a way to handle it sure... but it is terrible about finding the same ep (when it is on again). More times than not if a recording is cancelled the HR20 forgets you ever wanted it (even with a repeat recording) which is piss poor.
Then again the absence of complexity makes the HR20 much faster when scheduling and shifting recordings.

My point was that at least the HR20 gives you the choice of which conflict to over-ride. With the HR10, you have to go hunt down the second conflict and then still have to fuss with things if you decide the lower priority one (that it refuses to tell you up front) is the one you want to record. And for first runs, the whole 'finding another episode' is moot anyway until it comes around for a rerun.