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Old 07-15-2012, 01:07 AM   #8761
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Thanks for helping me try to figure it out. I did do the MFSadd and got the warning about TiVo no handling partitions great than 1 TB. Then after that I did the MFSSupersize.
If I were you, I would pull the drive, re-attach it to the computer and post the partition map. If it is only reporting 213 hours, something is seriously wrong. This is an original S3 OLED, correct?
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:02 AM   #8762
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Thanks for helping me try to figure it out. I did do the MFSadd and got the warning about TiVo no handling partitions great than 1 TB. Then after that I did the MFSSupersize.

Thanks a ton to Lussie/Kevin for the original instructions and S3:2501 for the tips on using ibored. Like Lussie said, working with iBored is key to the success of the drive. I used a WD20EARS that I had lying around. I had to use wdidle3 /D in dos to disable the timer that was set to 8 secs. The tivo settings show 318 HD hrs and 2777 SD hrs.

I want to add that the last part in WinMFS where you do the MFSAdd and MFS Supersize was a little quirky. When you choose Tools -> MFSAdd, it pops up a dialog warning that says something like "Tivo cannot handle partitions Greater than 1TB. Do you want to restrict the partitions to 1 TB??? <Yes> <No>.
Here I chose NO. @Hummingbird: Do you remember what you chose? This could be the difference.
Also, when set MFSSupersize to ON. It popped up a message saying that it was already ON.

Here is my partition maps for reference.

Partition Maps
#: type name length base ( size )
1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@64 ( 512.0 )
3 Image Kernel 1 8192@65 ( 4.0M)
4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@8257 ( 256.0M)
5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@532545 ( 512.0 )
6 Image Kernel 2 8192@532546 ( 4.0M)
7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@540738 ( 256.0M)
8 Swap Linux swap 262144@1065026 ( 128.0M)
9 Ext2 /var 524288@1327170 ( 256.0M)
10 MFS MFS application region 589824@1851458 ( 288.0M)
11 MFS MFS media region 216747657@2441282 ( 103.4G)
12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@219188939 ( 288.0M)
13 MFS MFS media region 2 268618405@219778763 ( 128.1G)
14 MFS MFS App by Winmfs 2048@488397168 ( 1.0M)
15 MFS MFS Expanded by Winmfs 3418624000@488399216 ( 1.6T)
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:49 AM   #8763
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If I were you, I would pull the drive, re-attach it to the computer and post the partition map. If it is only reporting 213 hours, something is seriously wrong. This is an original S3 OLED, correct?
Yes, an S3 with the OLED. Is the partition map something I find using WinMFS?

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I want to add that the last part in WinMFS where you do the MFSAdd and MFS Supersize was a little quirky. When you choose Tools -> MFSAdd, it pops up a dialog warning that says something like "Tivo cannot handle partitions Greater than 1TB. Do you want to restrict the partitions to 1 TB??? <Yes> <No>.
Here I chose NO. @Hummingbird: Do you remember what you chose? This could be the difference.
Also, when set MFSSupersize to ON. It popped up a message saying that it was already ON.
I remember the warning about the partitions, but I don't remember what I chose. Should I do that part again and make sure to choose NO?
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Old 07-15-2012, 12:09 PM   #8764
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Is the partition map something I find using WinMFS?
Yes. Using WinMFS, the partition map is one of the things you can find by selecting View->MfsInfo
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Old 07-15-2012, 12:35 PM   #8765
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I know no one has asked for this yet, but I had the txt file handy, so here's the partition map from my S3's expanded and suupersized WD20EURS:

#: type name length base ( size )
1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@64 ( 512.0 )
3 Image Kernel 1 8192@65 ( 4.0M)
4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@8257 ( 256.0M)
5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@532545 ( 512.0 )
6 Image Kernel 2 8192@532546 ( 4.0M)
7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@540738 ( 256.0M)
8 Swap Linux swap 262144@1065026 ( 128.0M)
9 Ext2 /var 524288@1327170 ( 256.0M)
10 MFS MFS application region 589824@1851458 ( 288.0M)
11 MFS MFS media region 216747008@2441282 ( 103.4G)
12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@219188290 ( 288.0M)
13 MFS MFS media region 2 268617728@219778114 ( 128.1G)
14 MFS MFS App by Winmfs 4096@488395842 ( 2.0M)
15 MFS MFS Expanded by Winmfs 3418628096@488399938 ( 1.6T)
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:04 PM   #8766
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Hooked the drive back up to the computer and redid MFSadd and MFSSupersize. I now have 318 hours of HD recording time! I must have selected Yes instead of No the first time I did MFSadd.

Thanks again to Lussie/Kevin for the original instructions. I'm so happy to get rid of my noisy 1T drive without losing my recordings! And thank you S3-2501, joesebastian, and lpwcomp for helping me get the full recording time!
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:28 PM   #8767
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I now have 318 hours of HD recording time!
Glad you were able to go back and get the extra space without starting from scratch! It's good to know that the MFSadd step can be redone later if needed without messing things up. Thanks for letting us know how you got things solved!
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Old 07-21-2012, 12:21 AM   #8768
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I have a Tivo HD that originally had a 160gb drive and I upgraded to 1TB. I would like to upgrade again, to 2 TB. This unit was marketed as "Tivo HD", but says "Series3" under "Platform" in the System Information.

I am looking at Lussie's instructions in post 8737, one page back and see the recommendation for the Hitachi Drive. I see others talking about doing it with the WD20EURS instead.

Which drive should I buy? Which is least likely to have issues in performance in a Tivo (glitch free recording and playback)? Which is better for noise levels? Reliability in a Tivo that will accumulate long spin hours?

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Old 07-21-2012, 09:23 AM   #8769
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I have a Tivo HD that originally had a 160gb drive and I upgraded to 1TB. I would like to upgrade again, to 2 TB. This unit was marketed as "Tivo HD", but says "Series3" under "Platform" in the System Information.

I am looking at Lussie's instructions in post 8737, one page back and see the recommendation for the Hitachi Drive. I see others talking about doing it with the WD20EURS instead.

Which drive should I buy? Which is least likely to have issues in performance in a Tivo (glitch free recording and playback)? Which is better for noise levels? Reliability in a Tivo that will accumulate long spin hours?

Thanks
I'm in the same situation except I am just planning for the future when my current WD 1 TB drive fails and I will probably just settle for another 1 TB replacement. As I've posted before I'm not comfortable with the current WD drives (such as the EURS series) because of the Advanced Format (AF) issue. Thus I'm intrigued by the Hitachi drive since it ISN'T AF. However I'm wondering about noise and heat production for the Hitachi. Those are two areas where the WD drives are known to be fine.
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Old 07-21-2012, 10:22 AM   #8770
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I installed an AF Seagate Green drive in a Tivo Premiere and had no problems, I doubt they would cause any in an S3.

I had to replace a just over 1 year old Hitachi 7K1000 1TB drive in an HD with a Samsung F3 this year because it started stuttering on playback to the point where the box would reboot on occasion. Funny thing was that offline scans found no bad sectors but the drive was slow to respond at certain areas. Could've been a bad drive, sure, but I wouldn't recommend them. Good thing they had a 3 year warranty and the RMA was easy.

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Old 07-21-2012, 11:10 AM   #8771
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I installed an AF Seagate Green drive in a Tivo Premiere and had no problems, I doubt they would cause any in an S3.
I may be incorrect, but as I understand it the Premiere uses a Linux kernel that natively supports AF drives, while the Series 3/TivoHD units have an older kernel that does not. The long-term consequences of running an AF drive on a Series3/TivoHD are still unknown.

That said, my series 3 has now been running for just over a full week with its new AF WD20EURS without any reboots or other notable issues.
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STEP 3

Start WinMFS again (Right-Click "Run as Administrator")

Select Tools->MFSadd

You will get a warning about Tivo not handling partitions greater than 1 TB, but just ignore it (hopefully, you have Tivo Software version 11.0 on your tivo)

Edited for SuperSize (Sorry I forgot that in the original post)

In Winmfs, click on Tools->MFSSuperSize->On

That's it.

You now have a Tivo S3 with a 2TB Drive giving you 318 HD hours or 2777 SD hours.

Cheers,
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P.S.
I also upgraded my Tivo HD from an already upgraded 1 TB to 2 TB Drive (same Hitachi as listed above) using a similar method but replacing Step 3 with using JMFS to expand it, but WinMFS to supersize. (Also didn't lose any shows and has been running for about 1 month now.)
I was reading over these instructions and was wondering if someone could clarify how Step 3 is supposed to go for Tivo HD. Should it read as follows?

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STEP 3

Start JMFS and expand it (more specifically how?)

Start WinMFS again (Right-Click "Run as Administrator")

Select Tools->MFSSuperSize
Also, I have a few other qeustions?

Can I use Windows XP, or do I need Windows 7?

What version of JMFS was used and where do I get it? (I have the other tools WinMFS and iBored.)

Do I need to use something similar to wdidle for a Hitachi drive for this procedure? (wdidle is for Western Digital to change the idle time spin down parameter for that drive)

Still wondering if I should go Hitachi or WD?

Thanks

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Old 07-22-2012, 08:18 AM   #8773
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I was reading over these instructions and was wondering if someone could clarify how Step 3 is supposed to go for Tivo HD. Should it read as follows?



Also, I have a few other qeustions?

Can I use Windows XP, or do I need Windows 7?

What version of JMFS was used and where do I get it? (I have the other tools WinMFS and iBored.)

Do I need to use something similar to wdidle for a Hitachi drive for this procedure? (wdidle is for Western Digital to change the idle time spin down parameter for that drive)

Still wondering if I should go Hitachi or WD?

Thanks
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I may be incorrect, but as I understand it the Premiere uses a Linux kernel that natively supports AF drives, while the Series 3/TivoHD units have an older kernel that does not. The long-term consequences of running an AF drive on a Series3/TivoHD are still unknown.

That said, my series 3 has now been running for just over a full week with its new AF WD20EURS without any reboots or other notable issues.
I put the same WD drive in the S3 (with OLED screen) and mine is also running with no issues. I noted it upthread, but will mention again, I did not run wdidle on it.
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Thanks for the answer on JMFS. Can anyone comment on my other remaining questions?

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I was reading over these instructions and was wondering if someone could clarify how Step 3 is supposed to go for Tivo HD. Should it read as follows?

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STEP 3

Start JMFS and expand it (more specifically how?)

Start WinMFS again (Right-Click "Run as Administrator")

Select Tools->MFSSuperSize
Also, I have a few other qeustions?

Can I use Windows XP, or do I need Windows 7?

Do I need to use something similar to wdidle for a Hitachi drive for this procedure? (wdidle is for Western Digital to change the idle time spin down parameter for that drive)

Still wondering if I should go Hitachi or WD?

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Also, I have a few other qeustions?

Can I use Windows XP, or do I need Windows 7?
You can use XP, just right-click and select "Run as Administrator"


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Do I need to use something similar to wdidle for a Hitachi drive for this procedure?
No.

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Still wondering if I should go Hitachi or WD?
That's entirely up to you. The WD is quiet, energy efficient, may require running wdidle, runs cool and comes with a 3-year warranty, which if needed can be used entirely from the WD website, but it's an AF drive with possible unknown long-term downsides .

The Hitachi is a faster RPM which may run warmer, is not an AF drive and is made by Hitachi instead of WD (which only you can label as a pro or a con.)

The information posted here confirms that at least initially both drives will work in a Series 3 Tivo, so which you pick depends on how you personally weigh the differences between the two.
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Of course WD recently bought Hitachi, about the time Seagate was swallowing Samsung whole as well, so buyer beware when it comes to what specs to expect from which model number from any of them.

(Apparently WD model numbers that were not AF before now are, depending on mfg date and which plant)
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I do not know if this has already been asked. After getting to page 30 of 293 I quit reading and skipped to here.
I am looking for clarification on section 5 question 20 "Can I reinstall the original TiVo drive after an upgrade?

Yes. If at some point you want to reinstall the original TiVo drive, you can do so."
Yes and resume tivo operations from when the drive was disconnected? Or
Yes and start over as if it were a new drive?
Anybody see any problems that might be encountered in switching drives like this?
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I do not know if this has already been asked. After getting to page 30 of 293 I quit reading and skipped to here.
I am looking for clarification on section 5 question 20 "Can I reinstall the original TiVo drive after an upgrade?

Yes. If at some point you want to reinstall the original TiVo drive, you can do so."
Yes and resume tivo operations from when the drive was disconnected? Or
Yes and start over as if it were a new drive?
Anybody see any problems that might be encountered in switching drives like this?
Yes, basically you make a backup and if something goes wrong with the original, you have something to work from. You then restore to a new drive and its like picking up where the original was removed. You can re-use the original just as before it was removed from the Tivo.
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I do not know if this has already been asked. After getting to page 30 of 293 I quit reading and skipped to here.
I am looking for clarification on section 5 question 20 "Can I reinstall the original TiVo drive after an upgrade?

Yes. If at some point you want to reinstall the original TiVo drive, you can do so."
Yes and resume tivo operations from when the drive was disconnected? Or
Yes and start over as if it were a new drive?
Anybody see any problems that might be encountered in switching drives like this?
You have a TCD652160?

(if not, what model #?)

You still have the original 160GB drive?

It has or has not been used for anything else?

The drive currently being used in the TiVo is what brand and model and is giving what if any trouble?

Do you have shows recorded on it you want to save?

If the TiVo is misbehaving in any way, have you checked the capacitors on the power supply board yet?


Whatever state the original drive was in when it was removed is the state in which it will be if reinstalled.

If you took it out before running Guided Setup for the first time, it'll start you in Guided Setup.

It has no memory of any info stored on any other drive which may or may not have been used in the TiVo after it was removed.

If you pulled it, and only paired cable cards after that, they aren't paired as far as the original drive is concerned.

We need to know what your actual problem is before we can be sure of giving you the proper answer on how to fix it.
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It is a Tivo series 3 HD DMR is what it says on the front. If you need the actual model number I can look on the back.
It is not the original drive. When my expander failed some time ago I upgraded to a 1TB drive.
I do not know what you mean "used for anything else".
I believe the drive is a Hitachi brand drive, not sure on the model. Now that you mention it when I first turn on the tv the audio is choppy until I change the channel or change the menu. A symptom that I also experienced before the expander failed.
Yes I have shows that I want to save. That is why I was concerned as to whether the drive could be put back in and operations resumed.
I have not checked the system board although I did have a blown capacitor I replaced when I installed the TB drive. I wonder if that has happened again and is what is causing said audio problem.

If I do not remove the cable cards will anything need to be done with them? If I remember correctly I was able to install the new drive last time without having to do anything with the cable cards.
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It is a Tivo series 3 HD DMR is what it says on the front. If you need the actual model number I can look on the back.
It is not the original drive. When my expander failed some time ago I upgraded to a 1TB drive.
I do not know what you mean "used for anything else".
I believe the drive is a Hitachi brand drive, not sure on the model. Now that you mention it when I first turn on the tv the audio is choppy until I change the channel or change the menu. A symptom that I also experienced before the expander failed.
Yes I have shows that I want to save. That is why I was concerned as to whether the drive could be put back in and operations resumed.
I have not checked the system board although I did have a blown capacitor I replaced when I installed the TB drive. I wonder if that has happened again and is what is causing said audio problem.

If I do not remove the cable cards will anything need to be done with them? If I remember correctly I was able to install the new drive last time without having to do anything with the cable cards.
If it's this one

http://www.tivopedia.com/model-tivo-tivohd.php

which comes with a 160GB internal drive, then when you drill down into the menus to system information, the first 3 digits of the TiVo Service Number will be 652.

Or if it's the identical-looking HD XL version, which came with a 1TB internal drive

http://www.tivopedia.com/model-tivo-tivohd-xl.php

the TSN will start with 658.

If it's this one

http://www.tivopedia.com/model-tivo-series3.php

it's the original Series 3, and came with a 250GB internal drive, and the TSN will start with 648.

Used for anything else means you didn't take the original internal drive and stick it on a shelf, but put it in a computer to use the space on it, or put it in another TiVo.

If you had the TiVo all set up before that external went bad, then if you copied from the internal to the 1TB replacement, all of those settings (which cable company, cable card pairing, etc.) should have transferred and worked, and they'll still be on the original drive.

What won't be, of course, are recordings made since you put the 1TB drive in.

Another of the capacitors on the power supply could have started going bad, the S2 and S3 models are subject to "capacitor plague" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague ), as are all kinds of other electronics products, including computer motherboards and LCD monitors and TVs.

Any strange symptom in an S2 or S3 should make you suspect the caps, although that's not guaranteed to be the cause.

If the original drive has been sitting on the shelf, unused, you can put it back in and see if it makes a difference in how the TiVo behaves.

Remember, any shows recorded onto it during that time will be trapped on it, unless they aren't copy protected by the cable company and you can copy them off with the free version of the TiVo Desktop computer program.

Which you should probably be doing with what's on the 1TB drive in there now.

You'll need a large NTFS partition for TiVo Desktop to store shows on.

Check the Hitachi Global Storage website for downloadable diagnostic software, preferably in the form of an image you can burn as a bootable image to a cd-r, and you can use that to run the long test on the 1TB when you take it out.
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:05 PM   #8783
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Just wanted to drop in and say that I followed the instructions here and was able to get my drive upgraded from a Samsung 750GB drive to a Western Digital 2TB drive (WD20EURS). I have a TiVoHD. I used JMFS to copy the drive (drive was dying) and about 3 days later I pulled the drive, used WinMFS to ADD and Supersize the drive. It now shows 318 hours of space on the TiVo properties page.

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Old 07-23-2012, 09:40 PM   #8784
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Just wanted to drop in and say that I followed the instructions here and was able to get my drive upgraded from a Samsung 750GB drive to a Western Digital 2TB drive (WD20EURS). I have a TiVoHD. I used JMFS to copy the drive (drive was dying) and about 3 days later I pulled the drive, used WinMFS to ADD and Supersize the drive. It now shows 318 hours of space on the TiVo properties page.

Thanks everyone!
And you didn't need to run wdidle on it? Or have your tried a warm reboot yet?
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Old 07-24-2012, 12:49 AM   #8785
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2 week check: Upgraded old Tivo S3 1 TB to 2TB without losing any shows.

Hi All. I just thought I'd let you know that it has now been a little more than two weeks since I have upgraded my S3 from the (previously upgraded) 1TB drive to the 2TB drive.
  • Everything has been running well.
  • Temperature is is 39C (Normal) - On the Hitachi 2TB Drive
  • No reboots.
  • No Lost Guide Data.

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Thanks a ton to Lussie/Kevin for the original instructions and S3:2501 for the tips on using ibored. Like Lussie said, working with iBored is key to the success of the drive. I used a WD20EARS that I had lying around. I had to use wdidle3 /D in dos to disable the timer that was set to 8 secs. The tivo settings show 318 HD hrs and 2777 SD hrs.
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I now have 318 hours of HD recording time!
Thanks again to Lussie/Kevin for the original instructions. I'm so happy to get rid of my noisy 1T drive without losing my recordings! And thank you S3-2501, joesebastian, and lpwcomp for helping me get the full recording time!
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Just wanted to drop in and say that I followed the instructions here and was able to get my drive upgraded from a Samsung 750GB drive to a Western Digital 2TB drive (WD20EURS). I have a TiVoHD. I used JMFS to copy the drive (drive was dying) and about 3 days later I pulled the drive, used WinMFS to ADD and Supersize the drive. It now shows 318 hours of space on the TiVo properties page.

Thanks everyone!
Y'all are very welcome. I'm glad that I was able to help everyone out!

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Old 07-24-2012, 01:06 AM   #8786
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Warm reboot works just fine. I did not have to run wdidle3.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:09 AM   #8787
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Just wanted to drop in and say that I followed the instructions here and was able to get my drive upgraded from a Samsung 750GB drive to a Western Digital 2TB drive (WD20EURS). I have a TiVoHD. I used JMFS to copy the drive (drive was dying) and about 3 days later I pulled the drive, used WinMFS to ADD and Supersize the drive. It now shows 318 hours of space on the TiVo properties page.

Thanks everyone!
Did you do anything in particular to that WD drive as far as advanced format is concerned? Jumper? Special software?
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:46 AM   #8788
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I was looking to expand my S3 to 2TB. Has anyone tried this drive yet?

Seagate ST2000DM001 Barracuda 7200RPM 2 TB SATA 6 GB/s NCQ 64 MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:08 PM   #8789
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Upgrade Series3 w/ OLED

The original 250GB HDD in my Series3 w/ OLED died recently (before I motivated to make an image). As a last resort, I bought Instantcake online and made a new image on a brand new 1.5TB drive. All went well and I was able to go through guided setup and update the software to version 11. I now have 32 hours of HD recording capacity. Obviously, not taking advantage of the full drive.

Now is where my problems begins. I took the 1.5TB drive and used WinMFS to get a truncated backup. I then restored to a new 2TB drive and I expanded the drive and then put MfsSuperSize to "on". I was then hoping to expand the Tivo capacity to at least use 1.26TB of the drive. My plan was then to expand again to another new 2TB drive in order to get the full potential of the 2TB drive.

But, when I put the first 2TB drive into my Tivo, the screen is stuck on the "Welcome! Powering Up..." screen. When I power down the unit and put the 1.5TB drive in, the Tivo works but only with 32 hrs of capacity.

How do I get the 2TB drive to work in the Tivo so that I can at least increase the capacity from the 32 hrs?

I have been working at this for 2 days now but can't get the expanded drive to work. Any help would be appreciated with this.
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But, when I put the first 2TB drive into my Tivo, the screen is stuck on the "Welcome! Powering Up..." screen.
Is the drive a Western Digital? When I upgraded to a WD 1TB drive, it refused to boot even from a cold boot. I had to run wdidle3 on it before it would work.

It had previously been reported that this was a problem only with warm boots from the menu. But that was not true in my case.
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