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Old 12-18-2011, 05:08 PM   #8401
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If I can get a WD10EURS, brand new, factory sealed for $120, should I?
Just depends how bad you want it. That's high for a 1TB but current economic conditions may make it unavoidable...
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Old 12-18-2011, 05:11 PM   #8402
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I think the Thailand thing means we mere mortals won't know in advance.
Frankly, I think the 1% is gouging us the 99% and just using Thailand and any other excuse they can as a way to pocket more profit...

That's my $00.02.
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Old 12-18-2011, 05:19 PM   #8403
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I didn't even realize that was an option. Is it hard to remove the actual hard drive from the casing?.
Just depends if you want the case or not. My 2TB came out of one of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148503 but it was $69 with a $10 rebate at the time. Once I got it apart I realized I could have gotten it out without destroying the case but I did save the USB connection stuff and use it as a temp SDA connection...
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If I can get a WD10EURS, brand new, factory sealed for $120, should I?
If you can see through the tears at having to pay that much well enough to write the check, feel free to do your part to stimulate the economy.

Actually, that's probably not all that bad a price for that drive under current conditions, and cheaper than a lot of other 1TB drives right now.

Be sure to run wdidle3 to disable Intellipark, and run WD's diagnostic software long test on the drive as well before putting your faith in it.
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Old 12-18-2011, 06:23 PM   #8405
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I will take any and all of the images you want to share since living dangerously fits my "bull in a china shop" approach to a T. However, I will say that I am less than 1TB of free space on the 2TB that I manually hacked instead of using any of the scripts. I think that's the furthest I've ever gotten it before the 20 minute reboots start up.




I meant what you did and not what I said... LOL

Glad you understood...

Just curious, what's the difference in the partition tables between the XL and the HD? Were you by chance able to increase the swap partition? Can you post them? I'm mainly interested in the MFS partitions 10 and above...

This is the 160GB HD

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Mfsinfo (Drive 2)

Boot Page
Boot Page: root=/dev/hda4
Active Boot Partition: 3 Active Root Partition: 4
Backup Boot Partition: 6 Backup Root Partition: 7

MFS Super Header
state=0 magic=ebbafeed
devlist=/dev/hda10 /dev/hda11 /dev/hda12 /dev/hda13
zonemap_ptr=1121 total_secs=310728704

Zone Maps
Z0: type=0
map_start=1121 map_size=1 backup_map_start=589822
next_map_start=263266 next_map_size=6 next_backup_map_start=589816
zone_first=1122 zone_last=263265 zone_size=262144 min(chunk)=262144
free=262144 checksum=7a877be9 logstamp=8742162 num_bitmap=1
Z1: type=2
map_start=263266 map_size=6 backup_map_start=589816
next_map_start=263272 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=589782
zone_first=589824 zone_last=138215423 zone_size=137625600 min(chunk)=20480
free=136888320 checksum=5bfaae23 logstamp=8742203 num_bitmap=14
Z2: type=1
map_start=263272 map_size=34 backup_map_start=589782
next_map_start=138219520 next_map_size=1 next_backup_map_start=138809343
zone_first=263306 zone_last=589777 zone_size=326472 min(chunk)=8
free=253712 checksum=fde76f6f logstamp=8742208 num_bitmap=17
Z3: type=0
map_start=138219520 map_size=1 backup_map_start=138809343
next_map_start=138481665 next_map_size=10 next_backup_map_start=138809333
zone_first=138219521 zone_last=138481664 zone_size=262144 min(chunk)=262144
free=262144 checksum=5ec29529 logstamp=8742162 num_bitmap=1
Z4: type=2
map_start=138481665 map_size=10 backup_map_start=138809333
next_map_start=138481675 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=138809299
zone_first=138809344 zone_last=310718463 zone_size=171909120 min(chunk)=20480
free=171745280 checksum=8fa29e06 logstamp=8742203 num_bitmap=15
Z5: type=1
map_start=138481675 map_size=34 backup_map_start=138809299
next_map_start=0 next_map_size=0 next_backup_map_start=-6148914691236517206
zone_first=138481709 zone_last=138809292 zone_size=327584 min(chunk)=8
free=320560 checksum=83dd7669 logstamp=8742162 num_bitmap=17

Partition Maps
#: type name length base ( size )
1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@171920054 ( 512.0 )
3 Image Kernel 1 8192@171920055 ( 4.0M)
4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@171928247 ( 256.0M)
5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@172452535 ( 512.0 )
6 Image Kernel 2 8192@172452536 ( 4.0M)
7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@172460728 ( 256.0M)
8 Swap Linux swap 262144@172985016 ( 128.0M)
9 Ext2 /var 524288@173247160 ( 256.0M)
10 MFS MFS application region 589824@173771448 ( 288.0M)
11 MFS MFS media region 137630712@174951096 ( 65.6G)
12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@174361272 ( 288.0M)
13 MFS MFS media region 2 171919990@64 ( 82.0G)

Total SA SD Hours: 165 Total DTV SD Hours: 144 100 % Free
Software: 11.0k-01-2-652 Tivo Model: TCD652160

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This is the 1TB HD XL

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Mfsinfo (Drive 1)

Boot Page
Boot Page: root=/dev/hda7
Active Boot Partition: 6 Active Root Partition: 7
Backup Boot Partition: 3 Backup Root Partition: 4

MFS Super Header
state=0 magic=ebbafeed
devlist=/dev/hda10 /dev/hda11 /dev/hda12 /dev/hda13
zonemap_ptr=1121 total_secs=1951672320

Zone Maps
Z0: type=0
map_start=1121 map_size=1 backup_map_start=589822
next_map_start=263266 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=589788
zone_first=1122 zone_last=263265 zone_size=262144 min(chunk)=262144
free=262144 checksum=76b56949 logstamp=10094444 num_bitmap=1
Z1: type=2
map_start=263266 map_size=34 backup_map_start=589788
next_map_start=263300 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=589754
zone_first=589824 zone_last=876642303 zone_size=876052480 min(chunk)=20480
free=873553920 checksum=5f0a755e logstamp=10094507 num_bitmap=17
Z2: type=1
map_start=263300 map_size=34 backup_map_start=589754
next_map_start=876644352 next_map_size=1 next_backup_map_start=877234175
zone_first=263334 zone_last=589749 zone_size=326416 min(chunk)=8
free=252568 checksum=9215ef38 logstamp=10094507 num_bitmap=17
Z3: type=0
map_start=876644352 map_size=1 backup_map_start=877234175
next_map_start=876906497 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=877234141
zone_first=876644353 zone_last=876906496 zone_size=262144 min(chunk)=262144
free=262144 checksum=37fdfbf6 logstamp=10094444 num_bitmap=1
Z4: type=2
map_start=876906497 map_size=34 backup_map_start=877234141
next_map_start=876906531 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=877234107
zone_first=877234176 zone_last=1951655935 zone_size=1074421760 min(chunk)=20480
free=1072168960 checksum=4ce37ff6 logstamp=10094507 num_bitmap=17
Z5: type=1
map_start=876906531 map_size=34 backup_map_start=877234107
next_map_start=0 next_map_size=0 next_backup_map_start=-6148914691236517206
zone_first=876906565 zone_last=877234100 zone_size=327536 min(chunk)=8
free=321616 checksum=e67eef18 logstamp=10094444 num_bitmap=17

Partition Maps
#: type name length base ( size )
1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@1950494126( 512.0 )
3 Image Kernel 1 8192@1950494127( 4.0M)
4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@1950502319( 256.0M)
5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@1951026607( 512.0 )
6 Image Kernel 2 8192@1951026608( 4.0M)
7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@1951034800( 256.0M)
8 Swap Linux swap 262144@1951559088( 128.0M)
9 Ext2 /var 524288@1951821232( 256.0M)
10 MFS MFS application region 589824@1952345520( 288.0M)
11 MFS MFS media region 876055257@1074438869( 417.7G)
12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@1952935344( 288.0M)
13 MFS MFS media region 2 1074438805@64 ( 512.3G)

Total SA SD Hours: 1040 Total DTV SD Hours: 908 100 % Free
Software: 11.0k-01-2-658 Tivo Model: TCD658000


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Overwriting the XL's partitions 2-9 with the ones from the HD (after using WinMFS to copy and expand to a 2TB drive) seems to work, although sys info still shows the software version as being the 658 one, and not the 652 one.

I'm guessing if there ever were a software update for the HD and HD XL the results would be...unpredictable...but probably not good.


Overwriting partitions 10 and 12 breaks something, and mfsinfo (in MFS Live) reports something about zones or volume headers instead of what I wanted to see, and I don't know if kickstart/GSOD is unable to fix it, or unable to fix it because of the swap only being 128MB.

I guess my next experiment will be restoring, via WinMFS, the 658 image directly to the 2TB while expanding the swap, and then letting WinMFS expand by adding partitions 14 and 15, and then overwriting 2-9, and making sure that works, and then overwriting 10 and 12 and seeing if it can fix itself.

I'll try to copy and post the 2TB partition map next time I take the drive out of the TiVo.
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Old 12-18-2011, 06:26 PM   #8406
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If you can see through the tears at having to pay that much well enough to write the check, feel free to do your part to stimulate the economy.

Actually, that's probably not all that bad a price for that drive under current conditions, and cheaper than a lot of other 1TB drives right now.

Be sure to run wdidle3 to disable Intellipark, and run WD's diagnostic software long test on the drive as well before putting your faith in it.
Yeah, the way I see it is that I had actually spent more money for the WD10EVS, but I told you how that turned out, so, I see this as a bargain.

I will definitely run wdidle3 to disable Intellipark, but I read somewhere else that the Advanced Format feature could could potentially cause problems with TiVo's earlier than the TiVo Premiere. The reason for this is that Advanced Format needs to be supported by the underlying operating system and the older TiVo Series 3 and TiVo HD do not have new enough Linux Kernels to support it. One solution is to make a physical jumper setting on the drive before installation to turn off advanced format and put the drive in Windows XP compatibility mode. On EURS drives this is pins 7 and 8. Is this something I will need to do since I have a Tivo HD (TCD 652160)?
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Yeah, the way I see it is that I had actually spent more money for the WD10EVS, but I told you how that turned out, so, I see this as a bargain.

I will definitely run wdidle3 to disable Intellipark, but I read somewhere else that the Advanced Format feature could could potentially cause problems with TiVo's earlier than the TiVo Premiere. The reason for this is that Advanced Format needs to be supported by the underlying operating system and the older TiVo Series 3 and TiVo HD do not have new enough Linux Kernels to support it. One solution is to make a physical jumper setting on the drive before installation to turn off advanced format and put the drive in Windows XP compatibility mode. On EURS drives this is pins 7 and 8. Is this something I will need to do since I have a Tivo HD (TCD 652160)?
The WD20EARS is a 4K drive (sector size 4096 bytes instead of traditional 512, i.e., "advanced format") and lots of people have used them on S3 HDs and HD XLs without problems once they disable Intellipark, so you shouldn't need to jumper it, I don't think.

Go back up this thread about 6 to 12 months and start reading and you'll find some discussion of it.
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Old 12-18-2011, 07:21 PM   #8408
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XL...

Code:
9 Ext2 /var 524288@1951821232( 256.0M)
10 MFS MFS application region 589824@1952345520( 288.0M)
11 MFS MFS media region 876055257@1074438869( 417.7G)
12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@1952935344( 288.0M)
13 MFS MFS media region 2 1074438805@64 ( 512.3G)
HD...

Code:
10 MFS MFS application region 589824@173771448 ( 288.0M)
11 MFS MFS media region 137630712@174951096 ( 65.6G)
12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@174361272 ( 288.0M)
13 MFS MFS media region 2 171919990@64 ( 82.0G)
Those large partitions on the CL image leaves far less real estate for the expanded partition. I will definitely explore or try and duplicate your success if the 20 minute reboots return...

Heck, I'm off this week, I may just do it anyway... Just because I can (or you can that is)...
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XL...

Code:
9 Ext2 /var 524288@1951821232( 256.0M)
10 MFS MFS application region 589824@1952345520( 288.0M)
11 MFS MFS media region 876055257@1074438869( 417.7G)
12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@1952935344( 288.0M)
13 MFS MFS media region 2 1074438805@64 ( 512.3G)
HD...

Code:
10 MFS MFS application region 589824@173771448 ( 288.0M)
11 MFS MFS media region 137630712@174951096 ( 65.6G)
12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@174361272 ( 288.0M)
13 MFS MFS media region 2 171919990@64 ( 82.0G)
Those large partitions on the CL image leaves far less real estate for the expanded partition. I will definitely explore or try and duplicate your success if the 20 minute reboots return...

Heck, I'm off this week, I may just do it anyway... Just because I can (or you can that is)...
CL image?

Craigslist?
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You'd be board without all my typo's. This time at least the C and next to the X. I should get a "get out of jail free" card for being that close...
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Okay, here's the WinMFS mfsinfo result for a 2Tb where I restored a TCD658000 (S3 HD XL) image with WinMFS, specifying 1024 for the swap size, and expanding, and then rebooting into MFS Live and using dd_rescue to overwrite partitions 2-7 and 9 with the same partitions from an HD (TCD652160) drive.

(partiton 8 is the swap, which is a different size since I specified that 1024, so we don't overwrite that one)


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Mfsinfo (Drive 1)

Boot Page
Boot Page: root=/dev/hda7
Active Boot Partition: 6 Active Root Partition: 7
Backup Boot Partition: 3 Backup Root Partition: 4

MFS Super Header
state=0 magic=ebbafeed
devlist=/dev/hda10 /dev/hda11 /dev/hda12 /dev/hda13 /dev/hda14 /dev/hda15
zonemap_ptr=1121 total_secs=3903336448

Zone Maps
Z0: type=0
map_start=1121 map_size=1 backup_map_start=589822
next_map_start=263266 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=589788
zone_first=1122 zone_last=263265 zone_size=262144 min(chunk)=262144
free=262144 checksum=76b56949 logstamp=10094444 num_bitmap=1
Z1: type=2
map_start=263266 map_size=34 backup_map_start=589788
next_map_start=263300 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=589754
zone_first=589824 zone_last=876642303 zone_size=876052480 min(chunk)=20480
free=873553920 checksum=5f0a755e logstamp=10094507 num_bitmap=17
Z2: type=1
map_start=263300 map_size=34 backup_map_start=589754
next_map_start=876644352 next_map_size=1 next_backup_map_start=877234175
zone_first=263334 zone_last=589749 zone_size=326416 min(chunk)=8
free=252568 checksum=9215ef38 logstamp=10094507 num_bitmap=17
Z3: type=0
map_start=876644352 map_size=1 backup_map_start=877234175
next_map_start=876906497 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=877234141
zone_first=876644353 zone_last=876906496 zone_size=262144 min(chunk)=262144
free=262144 checksum=37fdfbf6 logstamp=10094444 num_bitmap=1
Z4: type=2
map_start=876906497 map_size=34 backup_map_start=877234141
next_map_start=876906531 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=877234107
zone_first=877234176 zone_last=1951655935 zone_size=1074421760 min(chunk)=20480
free=1072168960 checksum=4ce37ff6 logstamp=10094507 num_bitmap=17
Z5: type=1
map_start=876906531 map_size=34 backup_map_start=877234107
next_map_start=1951672320 next_map_size=67 next_backup_map_start=1951674301
zone_first=876906565 zone_last=877234100 zone_size=327536 min(chunk)=8
free=321616 checksum=3bffbd29 logstamp=10094444 num_bitmap=17
Z6: type=2
map_start=1951672320 map_size=67 backup_map_start=1951674301
next_map_start=0 next_map_size=0 next_backup_map_start=0
zone_first=1951674368 zone_last=3903336447 zone_size=1951662080 min(chunk)=20480
free=1951662080 checksum=f6fa4f logstamp=0 num_bitmap=18

Partition Maps
#: type name length base ( size )
1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@1950494126( 512.0 )
3 Image Kernel 1 8192@1950494127( 4.0M)
4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@1950502319( 256.0M)
5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@1951026607( 512.0 )
6 Image Kernel 2 8192@1951026608( 4.0M)
7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@1951034800( 256.0M)
8 Swap Linux swap 2097152@1951559088( 1.0G)
9 Ext2 /var 524288@1953656240( 256.0M)
10 MFS MFS application region 589824@1954180528( 288.0M)
11 MFS MFS media region 876055257@1074438869( 417.7G)
12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@1954770352( 288.0M)
13 MFS MFS media region 2 1074438805@64 ( 512.3G)
14 MFS MFS App by Winmfs 2048@1955360176( 1.0M)
15 MFS MFS Media by Winmfs 1951662080@1955362224( 930.6G)

Total SA SD Hours: 2082 Total DTV SD Hours: 1817 100 % Free
Software: 11.0k-01-2-658 Tivo Model: TCD658000


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Notice that it still thinks it's an XL drive?

This setup seems to work. It downloads guide data, can transfer to computer via TiVo Desktop, can record and play back.

But in sys info it still shows the XL version of the software.

Don't know if that'll cause trouble down the road or not.

If there are no more updates for the S3 platform, then probably not.

Also, the HD intro animation is replaced by the THX deal.

Now, when I take this drive set up this way and overwrite partitions 10 and 12 with the same from the HD drive, WinMFS mfsinfo says not a TiVo drive, MFS Live mfsinfo says "zone map checksum error", and when I tried to boot it I got the welcome screen, few more minutes screen, reboot, lather, rinse, repeat routine. Tried kickstart 58, got the expected GSOD, let it run for almost 4 hours, still in a reboot loop.

So I'm putting the original upgrade drive, a 2TB but strictly HD and no XL, back in and putting the cover back on and calling the experiment over.

Hybrid image available by request in a day or two when I get it uploaded.

Soapm, I'll PM you when it's ready to download with the link.
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So I'm putting the original upgrade drive, a 2TB but strictly HD and no XL, back in and putting the cover back on and calling the experiment over.
We sure appreciate your efforts... This is really good to know. It's a shame because I'm down to 800gb of free space with no reboots but man is this tempting me... Can you also include the original 658 image for download or the link you used?

I wonder how Tivo see's the Tivo? I wonder if we started with an older 652 image would Tivo send the update 11.0k package which if they do should install and correct the software version and Tivo model...

If not, this would cause Tivo to always see your device as the wrong device. I don't know if that's a big deal with chances of a future upgrade little to none???

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Total SA SD Hours: 2082 Total DTV SD Hours: 1817 100 % Free
Software: 11.0k-01-2-658 Tivo Model: TCD658000

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We sure appreciate your efforts... This is really good to know. It's a shame because I'm down to 800gb of free space with no reboots but man is this tempting me... Can you also include the original 658 image for download or the link you used?

I wonder how Tivo see's the Tivo? I wonder if we started with an older 652 image would Tivo send the update 11.0k package which if they do should install and correct the software version and Tivo model...

If not, this would cause Tivo to always see your device as the wrong device. I don't know if that's a big deal with chances of a future upgrade little to none???
Over on "the other site" there's a thread entitled "Load THD slices and loopsets into a THDXL image to convert it to a true THD image? ".

Most of it's over my head, but apparently people with more knowledge and experience than I have been working on variations of this idea, so it would seem I've been re-inventing the wheel.

But I'm learning a little about wheel making in the process.

Okay, I've got an XL image that starts you in Guided Setup and an image made from a 2TB where I restored from the first one but with a 1GB (1024) swap size and expanded and overwrote partitions 2-7 and 9 from an HD drive.

I'm copying them from computer A to computer B, and will then upload them from computer B to somewhere on teh intarwebs and will PM you when that's done.
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Old 12-29-2011, 02:51 PM   #8414
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Planning to purchase a WD10EARX to upgrade my Tivo HD. Is this the newest recommended drive to use? I know I have to disable the Intellipark, anything else? Do I need to change any jumpers on the drive for any reason? Are there any other drives that are considered better?

My flaky expander finally came back to life after sitting unplugged for a couple weeks so I'm copying all the recordings off it via tivo desktop. Then I will unmarry the expander and make sure the main unit is stable,

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Old 12-29-2011, 10:41 PM   #8415
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I picked up one of the WD Elements external drives from Target to replace a failing drive in my Tivo HD, but can seem to get it to quiet down. They only had a 1.5TB drive and when I opened it up there was a Caviar Black WD1502FAE. I had no problems loading it up and Tivo is now reporting 198 HD hours.

I have noticed that the drive is loud enough that I can hear a periodic seeking 'purring' noise from across the room when it is recording. There is no clicking so I don't think that the drive is failing. SMART scan also looked good. I tried to adjust the AAM using HDDScan while having the drive hooked up to my laptop via an esata external enclosure, but it said that AAM wasn't supported. I also tried ftool_211 but couldn't get it to find the drive after the boot. I am guessing that there is a problem with my laptop recognizing the drive since I thought that all WD drives supported AAM. I also put a jumper on the drive to limit it to 3 gb/s transfer speed with the hopes that it would quiet it down, but it isn't a noticeable difference.

Are there any other options to get a WD Caviar Black to be a little quieter?
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Old 12-31-2011, 05:42 PM   #8416
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Just toasted my internal 1TB Hitachi CinemaStar HCS721010KLA330. Bumped it while it was running. I've got an external Deskstar and I can get another for about $50 more than the HITACHI Deskstar 7K1000.D HDS721010DLE630 sold by NewEgg,com. Is there a difference? Should I just pay the extra $ and get the HCS721010KLA332?
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Old 12-31-2011, 09:11 PM   #8418
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Just toasted my internal 1TB Hitachi CinemaStar HCS721010KLA330. Bumped it while it was running. I've got an external Deskstar and I can get another for about $50 more than the HITACHI Deskstar 7K1000.D HDS721010DLE630 sold by NewEgg,com. Is there a difference? Should I just pay the extra $ and get the HCS721010KLA332?
You must have bumped it pretty hard.

Have you checked to see if it's still under warranty?

The HCS721010KLA332 Googles up as fairly obscure, from whom would you be buying it?

If this is to go inside a TiVo, then with the HDS721010DLE630, you'd be paying for speed you don't need. 5400rpm drives are plenty fast for a TiVo and run cooler.

Which model number TiVo?

Is there also an external drive involved?

Have you looked around for any WD Caviar Green drives?
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You must have bumped it pretty hard.

Have you checked to see if it's still under warranty?

The HCS721010KLA332 Googles up as fairly obscure, from whom would you be buying it?

If this is to go inside a TiVo, then with the HDS721010DLE630, you'd be paying for speed you don't need. 5400rpm drives are plenty fast for a TiVo and run cooler.

Which model number TiVo?

Is there also an external drive involved?

Have you looked around for any WD Caviar Green drives?
Yeah I bumped it pretty good. The feet were stuck to the wood shelf in my
equipment cabinet and I was trying to fish a BD out from under it. oops. All it does now is spin up to high speed and cyclic reboots.

I've owned this TiVo HD for 4 yrs and the 1TB disk in it I upgraded so no warranty.

I found a couple of sellers for the DeskStar on Amazon.

I previously had an external Hitachi CinemaStar HCS721010KLA330 which went bad after three years and I replaced it with a WD10EARS which are now equally obscure but still available. I had to eliminate the intellipark which probably made the "green" low power consumption claims moot. It's been working well in a powered external case in a closed equipment cabinet so I may just stick with that one or its replacement. Since these are unsupported drives I just wanted to follow what has worked well for others.
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Yeah I bumped it pretty good. The feet were stuck to the wood shelf in my
equipment cabinet and I was trying to fish a BD out from under it. oops. All it does now is spin up to high speed and cyclic reboots.

I've owned this TiVo HD for 4 yrs and the 1TB disk in it I upgraded so no warranty.

I found a couple of sellers for the DeskStar on Amazon.

I previously had an external Hitachi CinemaStar HCS721010KLA330 which went bad after three years and I replaced it with a WD10EARS which are now equally obscure but still available. I had to eliminate the intellipark which probably made the "green" low power consumption claims moot. It's been working well in a powered external case in a closed equipment cabinet so I may just stick with that one or its replacement. Since these are unsupported drives I just wanted to follow what has worked well for others.
If you've had that HD (TCD652160) for over 3 years you can probably finagle $99 lifetime out of them if you're still on monthly.

I didn't think that model would accept any external drive except the specific Western Digital models endorsed by TiVo.

Or did you mean an original Series 3, the TCD648250?
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If you've had that HD (TCD652160) for over 3 years you can probably finagle $99 lifetime out of them if you're still on monthly.

I didn't think that model would accept any external drive except the specific Western Digital models endorsed by TiVo.

Or did you mean an original Series 3, the TCD648250?
I purchased the TiVo HD (TCD652160) w/lifetime through a TiVo employee friend of mine. It had a 160GB drive in it so I added the external drive a few weeks after I bought it. When the external drive failed I replaced it with the WD10EARS.

I ran some diagnostics on the failed drive and could find nothing wrong except some bad sectors. Since the Hitachi CinemaStar HCS721010KLA330 cost me $300 I didn't want to junk it so I re-purposed it for my internal drive replacement. Needless to say after the second failure I'm not keeping it any longer regardless whether it was my fault damaging the disk.
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Wow this is a long thread! I've scanned through it and am still a little confused since there's a bunch of bunnytrails.

I have a Tivo HD, my external drive is bad (I assume it's the drive and not the cable, but don't have a way to test and remarry). Either way, I want to simply replace the internal drive with a 1TB since my main drive is still working normally, and want to replace the drive while I still can backup and transfer.

I see the original list, but it's a couple years old. Is there an updated list or can someone list off 3 or 4 drives that are recommended? I saw the WD10EURS for 160ish online, seems very expensive (yes, I saw about the flooding and high cost of the drives).

Any other deals on other drives and where to purchase? I remember reading before when I replaced my drive years ago on an older tivo that you need certain types of drives because they're made for spinning all the time. Is that still the case?

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Wow this is a long thread! I've scanned through it and am still a little confused since there's a bunch of bunnytrails.

I have a Tivo HD, my external drive is bad (I assume it's the drive and not the cable, but don't have a way to test and remarry). Either way, I want to simply replace the internal drive with a 1TB since my main drive is still working normally, and want to replace the drive while I still can backup and transfer.
You can backup the TiVo software, but I'm pretty sure your shows are toast due to being married to the now dead expander.

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I see the original list, but it's a couple years old. Is there an updated list or can someone list off 3 or 4 drives that are recommended? I saw the WD10EURS for 160ish online, seems very expensive (yes, I saw about the flooding and high cost of the drives).

Any other deals on other drives and where to purchase? I remember reading before when I replaced my drive years ago on an older tivo that you need certain types of drives because they're made for spinning all the time. Is that still the case?

Thanks for your help!
Newegg.com and Amazon are popular places to buy. Amazon's shipping is a bit more robust so may lead to fewer DOAs.

The WD15EARX and WD15EARS are both good. I see the latter at Amazon for $103 (same price as the WD10EARS, smaller by a third).
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[quote=ThreeSoFar;8882489]You can backup the TiVo software, but I'm pretty sure your shows are toast due to being married to the now dead expander.


You can still backup even if you aren't able to successfully unmarry the expander? I was lucky I was able to get my tivo with expander alive long enough to tranfer all my programs off it to my PC with tivo desktop,

I disconnected the expander and uplug the tivo and then when I plug it back I get the screen that says the expander is missing, hit clear, then 3 thumbs down and enter. The next screen says removing the expander (this will take awhile)... As sson as I get that screen, it reboots about 10 secs later (I assume it should have been longer...) and I get the whole sequence over again about the expander being missing.

Is my internal drive toast? Can I still copy the software off it and make a back up to put on a new drive?

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You can backup the TiVo software, but I'm pretty sure your shows are toast due to being married to the now dead expander.


You can still backup even if you aren't able to successfully unmarry the expander? I was lucky I was able to get my tivo with expander alive long enough to tranfer all my programs off it to my PC with tivo desktop,

I disconnected the expander and uplug the tivo and then when I plug it back I get the screen that says the expander is missing, hit clear, then 3 thumbs down and enter. The next screen says removing the expander (this will take awhile)... As sson as I get that screen, it reboots about 10 secs later (I assume it should have been longer...) and I get the whole sequence over again about the expander being missing.

Is my internal drive toast? Can I still copy the software off it and make a back up to put on a new drive?

thanks
If you got everything off of your HD (TCD652160) that you wanted, open it up, take out the internal drive, hook it to a computer and run the manufacturer's diagnostics.

If I were you I'd take the drive out of the external enclosure, run the WD diagnostics on it, overwrite it with a fresh S3 HD image, expand, and use it as the internal. Assuming it's the 1TB version, and not the 500GB.

(unless you've got a spare 2TB drive laying around).
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If you got everything off of your HD (TCD652160) that you wanted, open it up, take out the internal drive, hook it to a computer and run the manufacturer's diagnostics.

If I were you I'd take the drive out of the external enclosure, run the WD diagnostics on it, overwrite it with a fresh S3 HD image, expand, and use it as the internal. Assuming it's the 1TB version, and not the 500GB.

(unless you've got a spare 2TB drive laying around).
It's the 500G expander. I assumed the expander was the bad drive. When I ran the kickstart 54 at one point last month, the internal drive passed and the expander gave errors, it also never completed the diagnostics after like 12 hrs. The internal drive was a WD also. I opened the case just to check if the capacitors looked ok (they did to me).

So I shouldn't try to get the image from the old drive? How do I get a fresh HD image? Buty the dvd from dvrupgrade?

I was planning on getting a 1TB WD10EURS or WD10EARX from amazon. Is the EURS worth the extra $20 or so? Is it really better for tivos?


thanks for the help

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It's the 500G expander. I assumed the expander was the bad drive. When I ran the kickstart 54 at one point last month, the internal drive passed and the expander gave errors, it also never completed the diagnostics after like 12 hrs. The internal drive was a WD also. I opened the case just to check if the capacitors looked ok (they did to me).

So I shouldn't try to get the image from the old drive? How do I get a fresh HD image? Buty the dvd from dvrupgrade?

thanks for the help
Here's a TCD652160 image.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...01#post8831301

If you have everything (recorded show-wise) rescued from the internal/external combination, then what's left on your internal drive of interest would be cable card pairings, season passes, thumbs ratings.

Try the divorce with the expander attached.

Let me know if that succeeds.
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Here's a TCD652160 image.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...01#post8831301

If you have everything (recorded show-wise) rescued from the internal/external combination, then what's left on your internal drive of interest would be cable card pairings, season passes, thumbs ratings.

Try the divorce with the expander attached.

Let me know if that succeeds.
How do you do a divorce with it attached?
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All I know about external TiVo expanders is what I've read here and on another TiVo-centric site or three. I was under the impression there was something buried in the menu's somewhere that you could choose.

If you don't want to just overwrite your internal with my image, then boot it up with the expander attached and on, and run KS 58. Maybe that'll straighten things out enough that you can then get it to run divorce properly.
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You can backup the TiVo software, but I'm pretty sure your shows are toast due to being married to the now dead expander.



Newegg.com and Amazon are popular places to buy. Amazon's shipping is a bit more robust so may lead to fewer DOAs.

The WD15EARX and WD15EARS are both good. I see the latter at Amazon for $103 (same price as the WD10EARS, smaller by a third).
I thought anything larger than 1.1TB is wasted space for the TiVo HD?

I just bought yesterday a W10EARS at amazon for:

Items Ordered Price
1 of: Western Digital 1 TB Caviar Green SATA II 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive WD10EARS [Personal Computers]
Condition: New
Sold by: Amazon.com LLC
$88.89
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