Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ - Page 111

richsadams · 08-02-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Airhead315

Hey guys, the WD10EADS 1TB drive is on sale at newegg for $79.99 with free shipping! About a $10 savings off the current going rate for this drive.

That's a good price.

Keep in mind that the WD10EADS cannot be used as an internal hard drive upgrade in the TiVo Series3 due to a soft reboot issue (reason for excluding it from the recommended drive list on the first post).

richsadams · 08-02-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MPSAN

Hey Rich, since all my TiVo's are OK, can I now break one of them?

Live dangerous I always say!

MPSAN · 08-02-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by richsadams

Live dangerous I always say!

Well, $72.99 seems like a great price and the WD10EADS should be just fine for my TiVo HD's! Actually, it seems to make the EVVS not very cost effective! It is a $30 premium, and for what, in a THD?

Also, we fell below 100 degrees so I guess it may be time!

richsadams · 08-02-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MPSAN

Also, we fell below 100 degrees so I guess it may be time!

That makes it time for another <insert ice cold beverage of your choice>. But if you're going to be upgrading, it's probably wise to save that six-pack for later.

MPSAN · 08-02-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by richsadams

That makes it time for another <insert ice cold beverage of your choice>. But if you're going to be upgrading, it's probably wise to save that six-pack for later.

You mean save it if the upgrade goes without a hitch! I may do this as it has to be worth $72.99 and, although I never have ordered from ZZF, the packaging for HDD's has to be better than Newegg!

richsadams · 08-02-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MPSAN

You mean save it if the upgrade goes without a hitch! I may do this as it has to be worth $72.99 and, although I never have ordered from ZZF, the packaging for HDD's has to be better than Newegg!

Agreed...on both counts, although to be fair I've purchased a number of OEM HDD's from newegg and they all worked fine. I've had good luck with ZipZoom too.

MPSAN · 08-02-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by richsadams

Agreed...on both counts, although to be fair I've purchased a number of OEM HDD's from newegg and they all worked fine. I've had good luck with ZipZoom too.

I agree with that as well. Lots of HDD's from the Egg. I am amazed at the packaging, but they have all worked.

elkcum55 · 08-02-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MPSAN

Well, $72.99 seems like a great price and the WD10EADS should be just fine for my TiVo HD's! Actually, it seems to make the EVVS not very cost effective! It is a $30 premium, and for what, in a THD?

Also, we fell below 100 degrees so I guess it may be time!

Are you sure it will work with the HD? I just tried one in mine a few days ago and I could not get past the Powering Up screen. I used Instantcake on my other WD green drive with only 16 cache and it worked with out a hitch.

MPSAN · 08-02-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by elkcum55

Are you sure it will work with the HD? I just tried one in mine a few days ago and I could not get past the Powering Up screen. I used Instantcake on my other WD green drive with only 16 cache and it worked with out a hitch.

Everything I have read says it will. Even the upgrade guide says it is OK for the THD. Rich, isn't the WD10EADS just fine with our TiVo HD's?

richsadams · 08-02-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by elkcum55

Are you sure it will work with the HD? I just tried one in mine a few days ago and I could not get past the Powering Up screen. I used Instantcake on my other WD green drive with only 16 cache and it worked with out a hitch.

Sounds like something was either wrong with the image process or the drive itself. OEM TiVo hard drives have a miniscule 2MB of cache. Anything above that is icing; 16MB Vs 32MB won't make any difference.

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Originally Posted by MPSAN

Everything I have read says it will. Rich, isn't the WD10EADS fine with our TiVo HD's?

Yes the WD10EADS will work just fine in a TiVo HD. As bkdtv notes in the FAQ (first post):

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The WD10EACS, WD10EADS, and retail WD "Green" drives are not listed, because
most revisions of those drives will not work as internal upgrades on the
TiVo Series3. They will work on the newer TivoHD model. For 1TB upgrades,
Series3 owners should stick to the WD10EVVS, WD10EVDS, ST31000322CS,
ST31000533CS, and ST31000424CS.

elkcum55 · 08-03-2009, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by richsadams

Sounds like something was either wrong with the image process or the drive itself. OEM TiVo hard drives have a miniscule 2MB of cache. Anything above that is icing; 16MB Vs 32MB won't make any difference.

Yes the WD10EADS will work just fine in a TiVo HD. As bkdtv notes in the FAQ (first post):

Rich,

MY HD TIVO is new but it was manufactured in Sept. 07. Is this still considered a newer than the TIVO 3 model and then should not have a problem with the WD10EADS? Also,...thanks for answering the part about difference in 16 and 32 cache. I am new to this and really don't know about a lot of this stuff. That is why I come here for expert advice like yours.

Thanks

janry · 08-03-2009, 07:18 AM

Something I noticed that seemed odd when I upgraded my HD was the absence of dust inside it. Our house is old with lots of dust. Each time I opened my old Series 1, I spent a few minutes getting rid of the dust inside it. There was so little dust in the HD till it wasn't worth spending any time trying to clean it. I wonder why.

richsadams · 08-03-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by elkcum55

Rich,

MY HD TIVO is new but it was manufactured in Sept. 07. Is this still considered a newer than the TIVO 3 model and then should not have a problem with the WD10EADS?

That drive should work fine in your TiVo HD.

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Originally Posted by elkcum55

That is why I come here for expert advice like yours.

Whoa there big fella...I wouldn't go tossing the word "expert" around so cavalierly. "Enthusiast" maybe...expert? Not so much.

wildcardd · 08-04-2009, 10:10 AM

Just wanted to say thanks for the very detailed instructions. I just added my new WD10EVVS to my Tivo and it went flawless. You guys rock.

richsadams · 08-05-2009, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by wildcardd

Just wanted to say thanks for the very detailed instructions. I just added my new WD10EVVS to my Tivo and it went flawless. You guys rock.

Enjoy!

mitchk · 08-05-2009, 07:50 PM

Thanks! Internal 1TB upgrade was an absolute breeze!

wired4net · 08-05-2009, 08:24 PM

I don't post much, but I just had to add my thanks to all of the contributors to this thread and others in the TivoCommunity.

After months of pondering alternatives and worrying about almost everything, we bit the bullet and canceled DirecTV (after some 5-6 years, mostly happy), mothballed our HR10-250 (we had thought it would have to be pried from our cold dead hands....) and went with FIOS TV and 2 brand spanking new TIVO HD's with MCards.

Today (and this is the reason for posting this in this thread), I continued the new wild and crazy lifestyle by upgrading one of our TIVO HD's from the 160GB original drive to a new 1TB WD10EVVS. I chose this slightly more expensive drive over the recently noted bargains for less expensive drives, just because the preponderance of advice on this thread seemed to suggest greater compatibility and good experience with that drive even though others may well have worked with our new TIVO HD. Besides, when we have later invested dozens of hours of desirable programming onto the chosen drive, what difference will the 30-40 buck difference matter, anyway?

So, today, we are as happy as pigs in slop. The drive upgrade went very smoothly -- thanks exactly to this thread and the WinMFS software by the good folks at mfslive.org. Thanks to you all for investing your time and energies to help other folks.

BTW, the features of the TIVO HD have blown us away. In comparison, our old, beloved HR 10-250 was forever stuck in the past. Now we are streaming DIVX, sharing recordings between rooms, watching YouTube, etc., etc.

Thanks to one and all!

elkcum55 · 08-05-2009, 09:46 PM

Someone just mentioned sharing shows between HD TIVO's. Do you need to do anything pecial to see the shows on the other TIVO? When I go to Now Playing List on the new TIVO, it sees the other TIVO. When I click on the name of the other TIVO, it says "the DVR has not recordings. Press LEFT to return to the Now Playing List." There are plenty of recordings on the other TIVO. It is teh TIVO I installed the 1TB drive in to.

Thanks

ThAbtO · 08-05-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by elkcum55

Someone just mentioned sharing shows between HD TIVO's. Do you need to do anything pecial to see the shows on the other TIVO? When I go to Now Playing List on the new TIVO, it sees the other TIVO. When I click on the name of the other TIVO, it says "the DVR has not recordings. Press LEFT to return to the Now Playing List." There are plenty of recordings on the other TIVO. It is teh TIVO I installed the 1TB drive in to.

Thanks

Do you have 'transfers' enabled in your Tivo Account, under DVR Preferences. If you just enabled it, have the Tivos make a connection.

bkdtv · 08-06-2009, 12:11 AM

If you just upgraded your TiVos using the backup and restore method, it may take a day or two (up to a few days) for the other TiVos to see the upgraded box. You may be able to speed the process by forcing a connection under Phone & Network.

Sparty99 · 08-06-2009, 12:04 PM

Can anyone provide a quick review on the Hitachi in the OP for a S3? I've ordered one of the Western Digital drives, but it's pricier than I would have liked and it's on back order.

MPSAN · 08-06-2009, 09:22 PM

Ok, here is the deal. I went to MS Live Cash Back (BING?) and went to ZipZoomFly. I added the WD10EADS to the cart at $89.99 (free shipping, too) and there is a $15 rebate. Then, in the cart, add a code of ZZF8810 and it comes to this....

$88.99-$5-$15 rebate-$2.12 CashBack= $67.87. I have Never seen it for less.

OK, Rich, now I will break one of my new THD's in 5 days!

csell · 08-07-2009, 12:22 AM

Need help - I just upgraded my Tivo HD (using DVRUpgrades product). Anyway, all worked perfectly. Booted up correctly, setup correctly and was able to watch and record tv. It then did a software update and when it rebooted, it got stuck in the "Welcome! Powering up...." boot loop.

NOW WHAT?????

ThAbtO · 08-07-2009, 01:17 AM

Did you try pulling the plug?

csell · 08-07-2009, 10:27 AM

Yes, I tried unplugging - nothing, still stuck on the "Powering Up screen"....

So basically I successfully installed the new hard drive and it worked perfectly until it tried to do a software upgrade and now its back to the "Powering Up" reboot cycle....

Anyone have a clue???? I've spent a lot of money and have nothing to show for it. Anyone have a similar experience?

moxie1617 · 08-07-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by csell

Yes, I tried unplugging - nothing, still stuck on the "Powering Up screen"....

So basically I successfully installed the new hard drive and it worked perfectly until it tried to do a software upgrade and now its back to the "Powering Up" reboot cycle....

Anyone have a clue???? I've spent a lot of money and have nothing to show for it. Anyone have a similar experience?

Did you e-mail or call DVRUpgrade. They should be able to help. Could have been damaged in shipping?

csell · 08-07-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by moxie1617

Did you e-mail or call DVRUpgrade. They should be able to help. Could have been damaged in shipping?

I did the installation myself (so thus no shipping). But as previously said, it worked perfectly - booted up and worked great until Tivo did a software update and then its back to not being able to get past that Powering Up screen... I have a hard time believing its the hard drive since its a brand new hard drive and worked perfectly until the reboot.... I also don't think its the motherboard because, once again, it worked perfectly. Is there any chance it could be power supply related? My initial thought is no because it worked with the new harddrive just minutes earlier...

moxie1617 · 08-07-2009, 11:57 AM

I believe the process of the upgrade installs the new firmware to a new sector of the disk that has not been used before. This sector could be bad. Hopefully some more knowledgable folks will chime in but I would still call DVRUpgrade. Only they know how they preped the disk.

MPSAN · 08-07-2009, 12:05 PM

Is the original HDD still there? You could put that back in if it was OK before the upgrade.

csell · 08-07-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MPSAN

Is the original HDD still there? You could put that back in if it was OK before the upgrade.

The reason I did this upgrade in the first place was because it stopped working - got caught in the Powering Up reboot cycle. So I assumed it was a bad harddrive, so I upgraded to the new one, which initially worked perfectly, until Tivo did its software update and then rebooted the system.