Fast Forward Auto Correct

TaterTot24 · 10-01-2007, 03:58 PM

First off, I have tried to search for information regarding this issue, but I have not yet found relevant information.

About 10 days ago, I switch from a Series 2 TiVo to the new Tivo-HD and I have been very happy with my upgrade. My Series 2 box was even a single-tuner model, so I am really happy to have dual-tuners now.

However, my wife and I have noticed something that is driving us both absolutely crazy. The new TiVo-HD definitely has a shorter auto correct when fast forwarding than the Series 2 that we previously owned. You guys know what I am talking about… the feature that automatically rewinds a couple of seconds after you hit the play button when in full fast forward.

It is really annoying that we have been use to the Series 2 auto correct for the past few years and it seems like they have changed it in this new model. I have even tried to anticipate the new correction, but I still end up missing it. So I am not sure if there is even the ability for us to "just get use to it".

There has to be someone else out there that has noticed this issue. Has it been discussed?

Please tell me that my wife and I are not crazy… There has got to be a way to set the amount of time that it jumps back after coming out of a full fast forward. Is it programmable, something similar to the 30-second skip?

wdwms · 10-01-2007, 07:48 PM

I didn't notice a shorter auto-correct when going from my S1 to S3; It may seem a bit shorter due to the increased "jumpiness" of the S3 FF and REW functions.

However the rewind auto correct on the S3 drives me nuts... Most of the time I rewind, press play and come back to the same spot I started rewinding from!

As far as I know there are no places to change this setting..

TaterTot24 · 10-02-2007, 08:39 AM

I read about some problems with the Series 3, but I was not sure if the THD had the same kind of problems...

bkdtv · 10-02-2007, 11:14 AM

What software version do you have on your new TivoHD? A number of members on this forum have complained about the trickplay functions in 9.1.

hiker · 10-02-2007, 12:08 PM

Have you tried 30 sec skip? I use that and rarely need FF.
Select-Play-Select-3-0-Select, is a toggle to turn it on and off.

TaterTot24 · 10-02-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bkdtv

What software version do you have on your new TivoHD? A number of members on this forum have complained about the trickplay functions in 9.1.

I have the 8.1.7c and after a couple of more days -- I am 100% sure that there is a difference.

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Originally Posted by hiker

Have you tried 30 sec skip? I use that and rarely need FF.
Select-Play-Select-3-0-Select, is a toggle to turn it on and off.

Yeah a couple of years ago I tried that. I just do not like it. I would rather use the fast forward....

Anybody going to agree with me on this one?

hastypete · 10-02-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TaterTot24

Anybody going to agree with me on this one?

I've done it both ways. It seems awkward at first to use the skip method, but after some practice (a day or two) you can skip commercials with incredible accuracy in about 5 seconds. I could never get it that quick with ffd method.

The trick is to immediatly start skipping as soon as you see a commercial break. Skip 6 times right away. Then one at a time add another skip. If you see the station identification, stop, the show will be back in a second or two. if you end up in the show, immediately skip back until you get to beginning. if you see commercial, skip forward again.

I've found that 6 or 8 skips gets it real close nearly every time.

The drawback is that you don't get to see what commercials are on like you do when you are scanning. Actually, that may not be a drawback.

ScorpioATL · 10-02-2007, 01:11 PM

okay thanks for posting this because I noticed it too and thought I was going crazy, or at least was loosing my response time compared to my series 2. I've never gotten used to the 30 second skip since often I sit through half a commercial before I remember I don't need to watch them... then FF'ing I have to do too many corrections because of it not going back to play where I expect.

Okeemike · 10-02-2007, 02:38 PM

It's my understanding that the auto-correct jump back will 'learn' over time. If this is the case, then perhaps it will improve with a couple of weeks of use?

I think it was this learning capability that initially kept this feature out of the DTV HD DVR. (but I might also just be listening to the voices in my head again)

icatar · 10-02-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ScorpioATL

okay thanks for posting this because I noticed it too and thought I was going crazy, or at least was loosing my response time compared to my series 2. I've never gotten used to the 30 second skip since often I sit through half a commercial before I remember I don't need to watch them... then FF'ing I have to do too many corrections because of it not going back to play where I expect.

Me too. I thought I was losing my reflexes in my old age. Glad I'm not the only one!

bkdtv · 10-02-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Okeemike

It's my understanding that the auto-correct jump back will 'learn' over time. If this is the case, then perhaps it will improve with a couple of weeks of use?

I think it was this learning capability that initially kept this feature out of the DTV HD DVR. (but I might also just be listening to the voices in my head again)

The auto-correct does not change. It does not learn.

However, with practice, the user does.

Royster · 10-02-2007, 03:13 PM

I've been using my S3 for about a year and I'm a longtime S1 user. The FF correct on the S3 just sucks when compared to the S1. There's no other word for it. Lots of time, I FF too far and rewind back to get the beginning of the segment, but when I hit play, it jumps back to where I FFed from. I have to do it several times, each time going back a litle further, until I get it to "stick".

I don;t know what they thought they were improving, but they certainly screwed it up.

jrm01 · 10-02-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Royster

I've been using my S3 for about a year and I'm a longtime S1 user. The FF correct on the S3 just sucks when compared to the S1. There's no other word for it. Lots of time, I FF too far and rewind back to get the beginning of the segment, but when I hit play, it jumps back to where I FFed from. I have to do it several times, each time going back a litle further, until I get it to "stick".

I don;t know what they thought they were improving, but they certainly screwed it up.

I have both a S2 (six years) and S3 (one year). In general I have not noticed any differences between the two units for the FF auto-correct, except in two instances:

1. I always had very jumpy correction on the FFx2 and FFx3 on the S3 until I noticed that it was only a problem on HD 720P shows. I changed my output to 1080i Fixed and it went away and all has been fine, until

2. Now that I have 9.1 the FFx2 and FFx3 does not restart properly when you press play to end it. It freezes for one second on a frame before it auto-corrects. This allows you to view a frame many seconds ahead of your restart point. Not good when watching a baseball game. This also happens when I use the IR button.

fritolayguy · 10-02-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Royster

I've been using my S3 for about a year and I'm a longtime S1 user. The FF correct on the S3 just sucks when compared to the S1. There's no other word for it. Lots of time, I FF too far and rewind back to get the beginning of the segment, but when I hit play, it jumps back to where I FFed from. I have to do it several times, each time going back a litle further, until I get it to "stick".

I'm glad that it's not just me as well. I thought I had lost my FF skills. On my Series 1 and Series 2 I can nail the beginning of a show or return from commercial about 99 out of 100 times. I agree that this is the one "feature" of the S3 that sucks....

CCourtney · 10-02-2007, 04:04 PM

I personally feel the TiVo HD's Jump Back Post FF is perfect. I hit within a few sec's of my show 95% of the time. I do agree that the RW jumpback is a bit too touch at the low speeds when you're wanting to go back just a little bit. With that you can use the Jump Back button instead though.

My Sony DHG-HDD500 had the jump back feature with programmable amounts to jump back. I found the TiVo HD to be about evenly matched with how I had set up the Sony DHG.

As far as the 30sec skip. I can't really stand it. I had it on the Sony DHG-HDD500 and I never used it (actually it was programmable to something like 5, 15, 30, 90, 300 sec's if I recall right.)

I tried it for a while on both the Sony and the TiVo HD, but it was quicker after the fine adjustments that needed to be made to catch the beginning of where it came back to show to use the FF w/ Jumpback.

CCourtney

TaterTot24 · 10-02-2007, 10:46 PM

Okay, so at least I know that there is a problem.

Now all I need is a solution that does not involve the skip-button....

morac · 10-02-2007, 11:10 PM

The major difference between the S3 and the S2 (assuming you are using digital cable or OTA HD channels with the S3) is that the S2 creates it's own MPEG2 video stream while the S3 just records the MPEG2 video stream as is.

Because the S2 records it's own stream, it knows the exact format that the stream is (ie: how many keyframes per second, how many i-frames, how many b-frames, etc). This allows the TiVo to accurately jump around the video stream.

The S3's video streams can have a variety of different formats, even though they are all MPEG-2 format. In addition HD will have a different format than SD. Finally glitches in the video stream can throw the TiVo off. All these things together can make the seeking less reliable in the S3 than the S2, depending on the program source.

I'm not saying seeking problems can't be caused by bugs in the TiVo software, I'm just saying that there are a lot more variables in the S3, than the S2 (making problems more likely).

bicker · 10-03-2007, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hiker

Have you tried 30 sec skip? I use that and rarely need FF.
Select-Play-Select-3-0-Select, is a toggle to turn it on and off.

I wasn't aware that you could use this to toggle 30 second skip OFF. Maybe I will try it...

It takes over the skip-to-tick button, right?

bicker · 10-03-2007, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Okeemike

It's my understanding that the auto-correct jump back will 'learn' over time.

Other way 'round ... we learn...

Doit2it · 10-03-2007, 01:55 PM

Maybe it's just me. I've only had my TivoHD for 2 weeks. When I first started using it I noticed it had almost no autocorrection on FF. I even tried the CEC code (can't remember which) to toggle autocorrect on and off. TivoHD just bonged at me. I didn't notice any difference. I did it twice, to retoggle, just in case. After the 9.1 update it seems to be back to normal (at least same as it was on my S2 80hr DT).

TaterTot24 · 10-03-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Doit2it

I even tried the CEC code (can't remember which) to toggle autocorrect on and off.

I forgot about those.....

Doit2it · 10-03-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TaterTot24

I forgot about those.....

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=122090

I used CEC5, but like I said, I don't think it works with TivoHD. Not worried about it since autocorrect seems to be working now.
Doit2it

TaterTot24 · 10-07-2007, 09:16 PM

Do you think that this is an issue that they are planning to address?

George Webster · 10-08-2007, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by fritolayguy

I'm glad that it's not just me as well. I thought I had lost my FF skills. On my Series 1 and Series 2 I can nail the beginning of a show or return from commercial about 99 out of 100 times. I agree that this is the one "feature" of the S3 that sucks....

I too thought I had lost my FF skill. I seem to remember that somewhere on this forum is a back door code list that tells you how to set the amount of seconds that the Tivo skips back after hitting the play bottom after FF. I guess it is time to see if we can find that list.

Perhaps searching for back door codes or something like that.

dolfer · 10-17-2007, 03:30 PM

We NEED customizable auto correct! It has never been right since it was changed back in the days of the Series1. The Series1 had the PERFECT amount of auto correction until some pea brain at Tivo decided to change it.

hiker · 10-17-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dolfer

We NEED customizable auto correct! It has never been right since it was changed back in the days of the Series1. The Series1 had the PERFECT amount of auto correction until some pea brain at Tivo decided to change it.

There used to be a Enter-Enter code to do this but I don't think it works in current software. See the TiVo codes list thread in the Underground forum.

ToddNeedsTiVo · 10-17-2007, 05:26 PM

After four years with my S2, and a few days with my THD, I hadn't noticed any difference or difficulties with the latter's FF jump-back. You've given me TiVo performance anxiety for viewing programs later tonight!

Now, raise your hand if you would rather your DVD player's transport controls worked like your TiVo's.

-10, +30, FF/RW jump back...

DaBuzz · 10-17-2007, 06:31 PM

The FF auto-correct on my THD seems less effective for me too. I've been using a Tivo for 6+ years now and I noticed it right away. I'm running OS version 8.1.x

adam3914 · 10-27-2007, 02:29 PM

My series 3 ff is terrible. The auto correction is way to short, my other tivo series 2 works great. Has anyone found a fix yet.

ZeldaContra · 02-02-2008, 11:28 PM

Definite problems here too with my TiVo HD. I am a long time user of the S2 and I never had a problem. Something is definitely wrong with the FF RW features on the HD model. Just to clear something up that someone else mentioned....changing the output video from native/hybrid to fixed shouldn't effect this problem in any way correct?