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Old 08-01-2007, 01:14 PM   #1501
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The fix was to stop using the built in Ethernet and instead use a USB to ethernet adapter.
Something is wrong with the TiVo unit. The same BCM7038 chip controls many other functions (HDMI, SATA, etc.). Perhaps something else (other than the Ethernet) is also affected.
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Old 08-01-2007, 01:35 PM   #1502
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Via HDMI.

I also had a weird issue (as well as others) back in January when I would sometimes turn on my TV the Tivo would green screen and lock up. The fix was to stop using the built in Ethernet and instead use a USB to ethernet adapter. After that the green screens stopped. It was like there was some sort of power surge or something that would freak out the Tivo when I powered on my TV (and receiver).
HDMI direct from TiVo to your TV? If so, you might want to try a component (YPbPr) connection. That will remove the HDCP signal from the equation which seems to cause some problems when the handshake between the TV and TiVo is lost. There would be virtually no difference in PQ.

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Something is wrong with the TiVo unit. The same BCM7038 chip controls many other functions (HDMI, SATA, etc.). Perhaps something else (other than the Ethernet) is also affected.
That would explain a lot.
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Old 08-01-2007, 01:37 PM   #1503
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I changed out the enclosure, tried kickstarting it and a bunch of different ways trying to get this damn HD to work. I think the drive is fried. I have contacted Seagate for a warranty replacement. There goes all of my cool shows and movies that I recorded. :-/

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Old 08-01-2007, 01:40 PM   #1504
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Something is wrong with the TiVo unit. The same BCM7038 chip controls many other functions (HDMI, SATA, etc.). Perhaps something else (other than the Ethernet) is also affected.
My unit or the Series 3's in general?
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Old 08-01-2007, 01:54 PM   #1505
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My unit or the Series 3's in general?
Your unit.
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Old 08-02-2007, 09:29 PM   #1506
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Any word on this working with Tivo HD?

Subject says it all.


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Old 08-02-2007, 09:36 PM   #1507
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Subject says it all.
See FAQ #2 in the first post of this thread.

Tivo hopes to officially support eSATA on the TivoHD and Series3 platforms before the end of the year. Until then, the eSATA interface on the TivoHD is not functional. The current, unofficial method to enable eSATA only works on the Series3, not the TivoHD.

TivoHD users who want to expand capacity must currently upgrade the internal drive. DVRUpgrade and Weaknees offer 500Gb-1Tb replacements for the internal drive, or you can do it yourself using WinMFS. If you are going to upgrade the internal drive yourself, I would suggest using one of the drives listed in FAQ #30.
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Old 08-03-2007, 06:10 AM   #1508
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Restarts, partial recordings, green screens....AH!

Ever since upgrading externally with the Antec MX1 (eSata cable from MX1) and a Seagate 500GB DB35 drive two months ago I've been plagued with sporadic restarts, partial recordings (interestingly always on the same program), and even a few green screens. I've done everything the FAQ says to do for restarts, and it's hard to say if it's made any difference.

My question is this: If I totally remove the external upgrade and do an internal upgrade only (to a 750GB or 1TB drive), do you all think this will this fix these problems I've described? If so, I've done an upgrade a LONG time ago on my Series 2 with InstantCake but never on the Series 3...is the upgrade any different?
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Old 08-03-2007, 07:51 AM   #1509
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Yes, I and others have had precisely the same problem. The "programming unavailable" message - when, after the reboot, it IS available on the disk - seems to be an important clue, but the mystery itself remains unsolved. What size drive did you add?
I think leaving a program paused for long periods of time also adds to this problem happening more often. I left a program paused over night I noticed the Tivo running really slow and freezing when I hit play again. Shortly after it rebooted and it was fine again. Just wanted to share the info.
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Old 08-03-2007, 09:02 AM   #1510
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Just wanted to give a quick note of thanks to fred2 and richsadams.... some good info there

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Old 08-03-2007, 09:29 AM   #1511
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I think leaving a program paused for long periods of time also adds to this problem happening more often. I left a program paused over night I noticed the Tivo running really slow and freezing when I hit play again. Shortly after it rebooted and it was fine again. Just wanted to share the info.
I've run into the "sluggish mode" periodically and found that when I weeded out my Season Passes and Wish Lists plus permanently deleted everything in my Recenty Deleted folder TiVo started responding much faster. (With the 500GB eSATA the RD folder seemed to hover around 200 recordings before it began to purge any.) It seems that even removing all of the HD flotsom helped a great deal even if I didn't clean up anything else. A reboot after all of that makes it pretty perky.

I hate to make the comparison but it seems like TiVo is getting to be like Windows...when it bloats up it slows down. I added larger HDD's as well as second drives in my old S1 and it never seemed to faze it. But by adding the eSATA drive and filling it up with other memory requirements it's as if the S3 gets overwhelmed.

HD programming (which is a good deal of what we record and have on our SP's and WL's) employs a lot of data by comparison to SD and I think we're pushing the limit by adding more and more. Even just searching through available HD programming is quite slow by comparison.

TiVo is basically a computer after all so I guess I'm not surprised when things get a little more "buggy" as I continue to demand more from it, especially if it wasn't designed to handle what I (and all of the new TiVo innovations) are throwing at it. It's not that I accept the problems but I have plenty of recordings saved up with about 60 SP's and a little house cleaning seems to keep things humming a bit smoother in my case.

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Old 08-03-2007, 09:31 AM   #1512
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Old 08-03-2007, 10:08 AM   #1513
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Editorial Alert!

IMHO it's easy to get caught up in believing that there are a lot of issues for everyone that's added an eSATA drive by reading the various posts here, but percentage-wise it would seem to be a small number in reality.

Based on an early poll there are at least a couple of hundred people that added an external drive since April...and plenty more since then. It seems that the number of complaints here are only a small percentage of the total. That's not to invalidate the issues that are occurring, they are real enough, but I wonder just how many can be attributed to TiVo's that were "border line" and adding an external drive to the mix pushed them over the edge or boxes that would have had some problems anyway. TiVo's aren't bullet proof and the more complicated they get and the more demands put on them (HD material, IP commands, programming and downloads, etc.), the more prone they are to things going wrong compared to the comfortable days of the S2's and certainly S1's.

Again, it seems that people having problems are more often than not those with larger external drives...but without hard numbers it's difficult to know if that's because there is less data for TiVo to deal with using smaller drives or if there are simply more people employing larger eSATA drives. As I mentioned earlier, could it be that we are overwhelming the current software? I know I can drive my computer to lock up by overloading it sometimes and it has 2GB of RAM and a pretty good processor.

It will be interesting to see what size(s) the new TiVo branded eSATA drive will be and how the updated software to support it will impact the issues we’re seeing now as well as how it will affect the equipment we already have.

So maybe we need to take a deep breath, step back and understand that we here are a small minority of TiVo owners...specialists, hobbyists, TiVofiles, whatever...and that the issues that have come up are to be expected by using a back-door, unsupported method to add more disk space. Plus I have to believe that some glitches may be due to the day-to-day issues that come up with a TiVo anyway. TiVo's have had rebooting, audio/video, data corruption and a number of other problems for years...it's the nature of the beast. But thousands of them, by far a majority of them obviously run without a hitch.

Just thought I'd try to get some perspective and welcome anyone else's thoughts. Maybe it’s time for a new poll?

And thanks to everyone for posting their "wins" and ongoing issues. Don't stop now!

Okay...back to our regular programming already in progress.

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Old 08-03-2007, 11:25 AM   #1514
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I've run into the "sluggish mode" periodically and found that when I weeded out my Season Passes and Wish Lists plus permanently deleted everything in my Recenty Deleted folder TiVo started responding much faster. (With the 500GB eSATA the RD folder seemed to hover around 200 recordings before it began to purge any.) It seems that even removing all of the HD flotsom helped a great deal even if I didn't clean up anything else. A reboot after all of that makes it pretty perky.

I hate to make the comparison but it seems like TiVo is getting to be like Windows...when it bloats up it slows down. I added larger HDD's as well as second drives in my old S1 and it never seemed to phase it. But by adding the eSATA drive and filling it up with other memory requirements it's as if the S3 gets overwhelmed.

HD programming (which is a good deal of what we record and have on our SP's and WL's) employs a lot of data by comparison to SD and I think we're pushing the limit by adding more and more. Even just searching through available HD programming is quite slow by comparison.

TiVo is basically a computer after all so I guess I'm not surprised when things get a little more "buggy" as I continue to demand more from it, especially if it wasn't designed to handle what I (and all of the new TiVo innovations) are throwing at it. It's not that I accept the problems but I have plenty of recordings saved up with about 60 SP's and a little house cleaning seems to keep things humming a bit smoother in my case.
I agree after doing some cleaning it does speed up. I'm not to concerned with it this is probably why Tivo did not allow it to be added since the system isn't stable with the extra storage on the ESATA. I'm sure once they figure out how to keep it stable we will get the updates. I just hope the update won't erase the ESATA drive when it does come out for us that have one on our systems now.

For now I don't mind rebooting and cleaning since most of the shows it happens to aren't really that important or I can't find it again to record.
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Old 08-03-2007, 12:30 PM   #1515
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Old 08-03-2007, 02:18 PM   #1516
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..the system isn't stable with the extra storage on the ESATA..
Not true. My ESATA expansion drive setup has been flawless since the moment it was added over 12 weeks ago.

My S3 is very stable. In fact, it's seems to have improved since adding an ESATA drive: fewer menu delays, fewer audio dropouts, less pixelization, etc. Granted, these gremlins were few and far between prior to the ESATA drive, but subjectively seem to have diminished since.

My ESATA upgrade experience has been a giant check in the "win" column: works as expected, no detrimental effects anywhere that I can see. It's all good, as they say.

As RICHSADAMS implied, we need numbers: I'm up for a new poll!
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Old 08-03-2007, 02:36 PM   #1517
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Instead of arguing who is right about wether it's stable or not, why don't we all help those that are having troubles (like me ) solve them! I'm very happy that it works for the great majority of users but that fact doesn't make those of us having trouble feel any better nor does it help solve the problems we are having. Again, that's what these forums are all about. If everything worked great then we'd have nothing to talk about.

As of right now, in my boat, I'd agree with those that say it's not stable because I'm having lots of issues I never had (not once) before I upgraded according to this very FAQ.

I too would love a poll to see if we could figure out if certain upgrades/combinations are causing the problems some of us are experiencing.
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Old 08-03-2007, 03:50 PM   #1518
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Instead of arguing who is right about wether it's stable or not, why don't we all help those that are having troubles (like me ) solve them! I'm very happy that it works for the great majority of users but that fact doesn't make those of us having trouble feel any better nor does it help solve the problems we are having. Again, that's what these forums are all about. If everything worked great then we'd have nothing to talk about.

As of right now, in my boat, I'd agree with those that say it's not stable because I'm having lots of issues I never had (not once) before I upgraded according to this very FAQ.

I too would love a poll to see if we could figure out if certain upgrades/combinations are causing the problems some of us are experiencing.
I don't think there's really an argument that there are problems with some folk's systems since adding an eSATA drive. And anyone that would like to structure a poll that would cover the dozens of eSATA combinations and home theater set-ups that would lead to a solution for even one person I’m sure would be a hero!

Most everything here that’s come up has been addressed in bkdtv's excellent FAQ and Troubleshooting goldmine. Of course the remedies haven’t worked for everyone and anyone that has a new/unique problem or solution is more than welcome to make their thoughts known here.

However I'm really not seeing new posts discussing problems or cures; it’s mostly summer reruns. I'm really beginning to believe that after almost three months of this that we may be coming to a point where there just isn't much more that can be done. It may be that some combinations of drives, connections, receivers, televisions cableco’s and how the planets are aligned have doomed some to not being able to take advantage of what's basically a hack unless they are willing to replace those same drives, connections, receivers and televisions to make it work. Not much can be done about the planets and it’s even more difficult to do anything about the cableco’s.

I for one and many others have spent quite a few hours on this forum for several months trying to help other “pioneers” get things right. Some solutions seem to work, some don’t. That’s the way it goes. For better or for worse the good folks here aren't TiVo Tech Support and no one is paying anyone to solve anyone else’s problems. We're here to help but you get what you pay for sometimes. Contributing helpful, detailed information about what’s wrong, right or what might make a difference is everyone’s goal I hope.

As the time approaches for TiVo to begin supporting eSATA drives my gut feeling is that most of these issues will go away with the introduction of a software update (which may or may not require using their proprietary equipment)…or it will render all of our hard work meaningless. But hey…it's only TV and everyone can always use an extra HDD right?
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Old 08-03-2007, 07:05 PM   #1519
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I just hit the two week mark with my new 500 Gig DB35/MX-1 Combo. I put external drives on both of our TiVo S3's and so far they have been working without a hitch. Both drives have filled up nicely and seem happy. If that changes and they begin giving me problems then I will have to remove them and go back to not having as much space and hope that whatever TiVo comes up with will support my drives some time in the future.

I knew I was taking a chance with this, but decided to roll the dice. Mainly because I think this kind of stuff is fun and yeah, I needed more HDD space. But not at the expense of a reliable TiVo. I got the best drive I could find with the best enclosure and I even used a short 18 inch Tripplite cable instead of the one that came with the MX-1. I feel I've done all I can at this point. If the new drives start causing me problems they are gone. I'll be bummed, but that doesn't mean that I won't have that extra storage some day. Just not now.

In the meantime I will keep my fingers crossed and hope all stays well. I feel for the folks who are having ongoing and seemingly unsolveable problems and quite frankly, if it were me I'd pull the drives and just wait a few months until TiVo is officially on board with all this. Extra space is not worth giving up reliability for.
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Old 08-04-2007, 10:55 AM   #1520
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My Added Hard Drive Story

Ok. So I posted a few days ago (maybe a week now) about an enclosure I found that I could put my older 300GB IDE drive in and convert it to eSATA (http://www.cooldrives.com/combo-sata...e-and-usb.html). There were some posts warning me about possible temperature issues, so I bought the enclosure, stuck my drive in, and hooked it up USB to my PC for a few days and used it for various saving of files I downloaded, defragged at every opportunity to try to give it some use. It got warm, but not hot. So I decided I'd hook it up to the Tivo.

At first I couldn't get the Tivo to recognize the drive, and I realized I was doing the whole Pause, 62 thing wrong. I can be dense at times. So once I got it right, the Tivo rebooted just like the posts describe and when it came back up it said it recognized the second drive and was configuring, just like the screen shots. When it finally booted all the way up (which takes FOREVER) it finally dumped me back at the "Tivo Central" menu. I started drilling down through the menus to find my new total capacity and right when I clicked on "System Information" Tivo freaked and rebooted. It almost immediately came to a green screen saying something like Tivo has detected a Serious Error and is trying to fix itself. It said it would take about 3 hours. It took about an hour and Tivo was running again (whew) but is still not using the new external drive.

I don't want to give up yet. I'm going to try again today to get this to work. If it does, great! If it doesn't I'll try a new eSATA cable and hopefully that will do the trick. If not, hey I got a nice new drive enclosure that will collect dust on top of my PC instead of on top of my Tivo.

Does anyone have any helpful tips or suggestions for me? Has anyone else had this happen to them?
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Ok. So I posted a few days ago (maybe a week now) about an enclosure I found that I could put my older 300GB IDE drive in and convert it to eSATA (http://www.cooldrives.com/combo-sata...e-and-usb.html). There were some posts warning me about possible temperature issues, so I bought the enclosure, stuck my drive in, and hooked it up USB to my PC for a few days and used it for various saving of files I downloaded, defragged at every opportunity to try to give it some use. It got warm, but not hot. So I decided I'd hook it up to the Tivo.

At first I couldn't get the Tivo to recognize the drive, and I realized I was doing the whole Pause, 62 thing wrong. I can be dense at times. So once I got it right, the Tivo rebooted just like the posts describe and when it came back up it said it recognized the second drive and was configuring, just like the screen shots. When it finally booted all the way up (which takes FOREVER) it finally dumped me back at the "Tivo Central" menu. I started drilling down through the menus to find my new total capacity and right when I clicked on "System Information" Tivo freaked and rebooted. It almost immediately came to a green screen saying something like Tivo has detected a Serious Error and is trying to fix itself. It said it would take about 3 hours. It took about an hour and Tivo was running again (whew) but is still not using the new external drive.

I don't want to give up yet. I'm going to try again today to get this to work. If it does, great! If it doesn't I'll try a new eSATA cable and hopefully that will do the trick. If not, hey I got a nice new drive enclosure that will collect dust on top of my PC instead of on top of my Tivo.

Does anyone have any helpful tips or suggestions for me? Has anyone else had this happen to them?
Your situation is not unique. What you've descrided has happened to a number of people. Some have been able to rectify the situation some have not. Your best bet is to read through the original FAQ and Troubleshooting information to learn more about what to do.

The fact that TiVo is taking a long time to do what it needs to do is a red flag. It shouldn't take very long for it to recognize the external drivel, reboot and be ready to go...10 or 15 minutes in most cases (if that).

You've already seen the GSOD (green screen of death). That indicates that there was data corruption and TiVo had to rectify it by running a disk and systems scan. That could have been caused by a bad eSATA cable, the connections between TiVo and your external drive or an actual problem with the drive you've connected.

There could be several issues with the enclosure and drive you're trying to use that may impact short-term and long-term use. TiVo external drives run 24/7 and never spin down. Constant operation will cause a drive to run warm to hot all of the time; hotter when they are recording data. When connected to your PC your drive likely spun down after a period of time to save energy, wear and tear so it wouldn't appear to run hot. Since the drive you're trying to use is not a dedicated DVR drive plus it's not an eSATA drive it's really hard to say how it will handle things.

The enclosure you've chosen has multiple outputs (Firewire, USB, eSATA) and may have bridging issues. It also doesn't have a fan and between having an old IDE drive that is likely to run hot and no fan it's not a good candidate for long-term work and may immediately or eventually give out...or it may not. But you're risking losing all recordings from the date you connected it to the day that it no longer works.

You can certainly proceed but at your own risk. Some people that have what amounts to be the best combinations of drives, enclosures and cables are running into problems sometimes. With what you've cobled together you're playing with fire IMHO. But as long as you're willing to lose your recordings at any moment, it would be interesting to hear how it goes.

Bottom line, you're not likely to "hurt" TiVo and as you say you'll have an extra hard drive if things don't work out. Keep us posted.

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Old 08-04-2007, 01:18 PM   #1522
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My Added Hard Drive Story Continued

Thanks Rich. I appreciate your reply. I know that my setup isn't ideal, but hey, it's worth a try. When I said FOREVER, I meant about 5 - 10 minutes. I realize that isn't really a long time for Tivo, but still seems like a long time for a computer to boot.

So here's another episode in my continuing saga to add another hard drive ...

Today I've been trying again, with absolutely no luck. I've rebooted, held pause, entered the code, it reboots and finally loads all the way up with no screen saying it recognized the new drive and as would be expected no increased capacity. The eSATA cable I have is labeled as eSATA II and is the one that came with the package deal for my enclosure. In the drop down to order the enclosure it has "Enclosure and eSATA Cable (+4.99)", that's the one I have. Now I'm guessing it probably isn't the best cable in the world. Since the overwhelming majority of problems seem to be caused by the cable, I'm going to try to get another one. I'll stop by Best Buy today and try to get one there, if not I'll be visiting Provantage.com for a Tripp-Lite P950 eSATA and hopefully have better luck.

I do have another hard drive laying around, but it's only 120GB and still IDE. If the new cable doesn't work, I'll try this other drive to try to eliminate my 300GB drive as the source of the problem.

Thanks again for the help.
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Old 08-04-2007, 04:24 PM   #1523
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WD has announced a new line of "green" hard drives up to 1TB -- Caviar GP. Low power and extremely quiet at 25 dBA seek noise. That will probably be my top choice for TiVo usage when it comes out.
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Old 08-04-2007, 09:23 PM   #1524
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I finally got all the pieces together that I needed to try an external eSATA in my MX-1 enclosure. I hooked the eSATA drive to the PC via USB and the Tivo drive to an internal SATA port. I booted the MFSTOOLS CD and ran the command "mfsadd -ex -r 4 /dev/sda /dev/sdb" and got a "success" message. I then shut it all down and hooked Tivo back up, with the eSATA connected. When I check the status screen, I still have 98 hours of HD capacity (750 GB internal drive). What step am I missing to get the additional 98 hours from the eSATA drive?
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Old 08-04-2007, 09:41 PM   #1525
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I booted the MFSTOOLS CD and ran the command "mfsadd -ex -r 4 /dev/sda /dev/sdb"
Which mfstools cd did you use and did you verify /dev/sda and /dev/sdb are mounted correctl? (sda is your TiVo drive and sdb is your new esata drive?)
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Old 08-04-2007, 10:44 PM   #1526
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Different Drive Doesn't Work Either

While I was out today I tried to pick up an eSATA cable. After 2 Best Buys, Comp USA and an electronics store, I came home empty handed. So I ordered one online from Provantage.com. Since I didn't have a new cable to try, I decided to try a different hard drive, my 120GB IDE that I mentioned in my last post. Something odd happened.

Before I put the 120 GB drive in the enclosure, I booted the Tivo with nothing attached to it, all worked fine as expected. I removed the 300GB drive from the enclosure, put the 120GB drive in, powered off the Tivo, hooked up the enclosure with the different drive, turned the Tivo back on. I entered the code again and this time I got an error telling me my external drive has stopped responding. Basically it's the "Divorce" screen I've seen described in the other posts. I don't understand why I got this if it never "Married" any of hard drives I attached to it. So I powered it back down and back up, and it came up ok this time, but still never found the drive. I tried a few more times, got no errors, but also no success.

My new eSATA II cable is on it's way. Hopefully I'll get it by mid-week so I can try it out and let everyone know what happens.
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Old 08-05-2007, 01:31 AM   #1527
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Before I put the 120 GB drive in the enclosure, I booted the Tivo with nothing attached to it, all worked fine as expected. I removed the 300GB drive from the enclosure, put the 120GB drive in, powered off the Tivo, hooked up the enclosure with the different drive, turned the Tivo back on. I entered the code again and this time I got an error telling me my external drive has stopped responding. Basically it's the "Divorce" screen I've seen described in the other posts. I don't understand why I got this if it never "Married" any of hard drives I attached to it. So I powered it back down and back up, and it came up ok this time, but still never found the drive. I tried a few more times, got no errors, but also no success.
I have seen this before when I was swapping drives to test TiVo behavior.

Your TiVo is in an intermediate state where it thinks it is married and is a 2 drive system, but has locked out the second drive because it has errors. Basically your assumption that you weren't married is false. You were married but your 2nd drive got in an accident and is in a coma sitting in long term care. You are not divorced, but you don't really have a wife either.

What you need to do is allowed the divorce procedure to complete. Then you will be in a known state again, at which point you can marry using kickstart 62.
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Old 08-05-2007, 01:38 AM   #1528
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While I was out today I tried to pick up an eSATA cable. After 2 Best Buys, Comp USA and an electronics store, I came home empty handed. So I ordered one online from Provantage.com. Since I didn't have a new cable to try, I decided to try a different hard drive, my 120GB IDE that I mentioned in my last post. Something odd happened.

Before I put the 120 GB drive in the enclosure, I booted the Tivo with nothing attached to it, all worked fine as expected. I removed the 300GB drive from the enclosure, put the 120GB drive in, powered off the Tivo, hooked up the enclosure with the different drive, turned the Tivo back on. I entered the code again and this time I got an error telling me my external drive has stopped responding. Basically it's the "Divorce" screen I've seen described in the other posts. I don't understand why I got this if it never "Married" any of hard drives I attached to it. So I powered it back down and back up, and it came up ok this time, but still never found the drive. I tried a few more times, got no errors, but also no success.

My new eSATA II cable is on it's way. Hopefully I'll get it by mid-week so I can try it out and let everyone know what happens.
When you installed the external drive initially TiVo did recognize it. Your earlier post said:

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So once I got it right, the Tivo rebooted just like the posts describe and when it came back up it said it recognized the second drive and was configuring, just like the screen shots.
So TiVo recognized the drive it just isn't able to use it. Since you never divorced the drive TiVo thinks it's still connected but that there is a problem. You'll need to hook it back up and reboot TiVo (don't do a Kickstart). While it's hooked up unplug the eSATA cable and it should bring up the divorce screen. Follow the steps (three thumbs down, etc.) to divorce it. If you don't get it divorced you won't be able to get a new drive installed.

Keep up the good fight!
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:59 AM   #1529
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I finally got all the pieces together that I needed to try an external eSATA in my MX-1 enclosure. I hooked the eSATA drive to the PC via USB and the Tivo drive to an internal SATA port. I booted the MFSTOOLS CD and ran the command "mfsadd -ex -r 4 /dev/sda /dev/sdb" and got a "success" message. I then shut it all down and hooked Tivo back up, with the eSATA connected. When I check the status screen, I still have 98 hours of HD capacity (750 GB internal drive). What step am I missing to get the additional 98 hours from the eSATA drive?
Sounds like you made the same mistake I did - you mixed up which drives were sda and sdb. I have no clue why it gives that "success" message (did the same to me), but when you do it right in mfstools, you get a long listing that says how many hours you used to have, and how many hours you have now. The bottom line is the directions for doing this are not laid out very well, and it can be very confusing - especially if your 2 drives are identical models.

Also - even after I went back and did the expansion correctly, my Tivo was very unstable, so I ended up removing the external drive from it. I now have a 750 GB Seagate DB35 and an MX-1 sitting idle. I hope you have more luck than I did.

Here is the thread that chronicles my problems...

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...62#post5363262

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Old 08-05-2007, 06:31 AM   #1530
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I think leaving a program paused for long periods of time also adds to this problem happening more often. I left a program paused over night I noticed the Tivo running really slow and freezing when I hit play again. Shortly after it rebooted and it was fine again. Just wanted to share the info.
That's incredibly encouraging! It certainly fits with both my original sense that "time left sitting alone" was related to the problem (i.e., that it was a buffering problem of some kind), and my subsequent observation that two-weeks'-worth of sitting alone didn't crash my TiVo - It wasn't left on "pause"! We do leave the expanded Series 3 paused, sometimes for a few days, while watching one of our other not-yet-expanded Series 3s.

Perhaps someone with a stable eSATA expansion, and a large, full expansion disk, can try an experiment and report on the results: Next time your house will be vacant for a couple of days, leave your TiVo on "pause." And then check the timer when you get home to see if it rebooted in your absence, or see if it encounters any other temporary problems soon after you start using it again. (Of course, both positive and negative reports would be useful.)
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